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Khazar Empire, Illuminati and New World Order

  • This is a video lecture by Jack Otto of Forbidden Knowledge fame. He gives his understanding on the hidden history of the Khazar empire, the Illuminati, banking cartel and their links to the New World Order.
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  • The Khazars were a Turkic people who originated in Central Asia. The Khazar empire is located north of the Caucasus mountains region.khzar-empire
  • In the book The Thirteenth Tribe, Ashkenazi Jew Arthur Koestler documented the history :
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    This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but almost forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in A.D. 740 converted to Judaism. Khazaria, a conglomerate of Aryan Turkish tribes, was finally wiped out by the forces of Genghis Han, but evidence indicates that the Khazars themselves migrated to Poland and formed the craddle of Western (Ashkenazim) Jewry…
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    The Khazars’ sway extended from the Black sea to the Caspian, from the Caucasus to the Volga, and they were instrumental in stopping the Muslim onslaught against Byzantium, the eastern jaw of the gigantic pincer movement that in the West swept across northern Africa and into Spain.
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    Thereafter the Khazars found themselves in a precarious position between the two major world powers: the Eastern Roman Empire in Byzantium and the triumphant followers of Mohammed. As Arthur Koestler points out, the Khazars were the Third World of their day, and they chose a surprising method of resisting both the Western pressure to become Christian and the Eastern to adopt Islam. Rejecting both, they converted to Judaism.
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    The second part of Mr. Koestler’s book deals with the Khazar migration to Polish and Lithuanian territories, caused by the Mongol onslaught, and their impact on the racial composition and social heritage of modern Jewry. He produces a large body of meticulously detailed research in support of a theory that sounds all the more convincing for the restraint with which it is advanced.
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    Mr. Koestler concludes: “The evidence presented in the previous chapters adds up to a strong case in favour of those modern historians – whether Austrian, Israeli or Polish – who, independently from each other, have argued that the bulk of modern Jewry is not of Palestinian, but of Caucasian origin. The mainstream of Jewish migrations did not flow from the Mediterranean across France and Germany to the east and then back again. The stream moved in a consistently westerly direction, from the Caucasus through the Ukraine into Poland and thence into Central Europe. When that unprecedented mass settlement in Poland came into being, there were simply not enough Jews around in the west to account for it, while in the east a whole nation was on the move to new frontiers” ( page 179, page 180).
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    “The Jews of our times fall into two main divisions: Sephardim and Ashkenazim. The Sephardim are descendants of the Jews who since antiquity had lived in Spain (in Hebrew Sepharad) until they were expelled at the end of the fifteenth century and settled in the countries bordering the Mediterranean, the Balkans, and to a lesser extent in Western Europe. They spoke a Spanish-Hebrew dialect, Ladino, and preserved their own traditions and religious rites. In the 1960s, the number of Sephardim was estimated at 500000.

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    The Ashkenazim, at the same period, numbered about eleven million. Thus, in common parlance, Jew is practically synonymous with Ashkenazi Jew.” In Mr. Koestler’s own words, “The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated.”
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    As expected, The Thirteenth Tribe caused a stir when published in 1976, since it demolishes ancient racial and ethnic dogmas…At the height of the controversy in 1983, the lifeless bodies of Arthur Koestler and his wife were found in their London home. Despite significant inconsistencies, the police ruled their death a suicide…              
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  • Zionist Israel, which is 80-90% Askenazi Khazars, is not the Israel of the Bible. Here are some facts:
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    1980 Jewish Almanac
    “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.”
    (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3)
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    The Jewish Encyclopedia:
    “Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania.”
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    The American Peoples Encyclopedia
    for 1954 at 15-292 records the following in reference to the Khazars: “In the year 740 A.D. the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A century later they were crushed by the incoming Slavic-speaking people and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews.

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  • The so-called Star of David is a Satanic symbol. Satanists and occult practitioners use it for calling Satan and demons!
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    Former Satanist, Bill Schnoebelen (now born again Christian)
    “A hexagram must be present to call forth a demon” and ” it is a very powerful tool to invoke Satan”.

    “To the sorcerer, the hexagram is a powerful tool to invoke Satan.” In fact, the word “hex” — as to put a “hex” or “curse” on people — comes from this word. If you examine the so-called “Star of David,” or hexagram, closely, you will discover something astonishing. It has six points, forms six equilateral triangles, and in its interior forms a six sided hexagon — thus it reveals the number of Satan’ antichrist beast, — 6 points, 6 triangles, and the 6 sides of the hexagram — 666 !!!  

Revelation 2:9 - .... and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

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January 24, 2009 - Posted by | EndTimes, History | , , ,

513 Comments

  1. This is the truth that the world need to know. If the Christian community had this knowledge, than this world will be a much better world to live. Please continue to share this truth.

    Comment by joeland7 | January 24, 2009

  2. This is very interesting but it is far from new. The Thirteenth Tribe was published more than 30 years ago. It is a very informative, well researched book written in a non-inflamatory style. Why is it not more well known and more accepted? People will continue to believe only what they want to believe.

    Comment by Doug Roberts | January 24, 2009

    • In fact, it is believed by people ignorant of modern genetics studies which prove it to be factually incorrect.

      It is believed by racists, people who hate Jews and want a codeword (Khazars) to name who they hate without being branded a racist NAZI.

      Today the ignorant think its OK, socially accepted, to express hatred toward Zionists, and Khazars.

      In fact is, this mistaken view is merely the common currency on much of the internet where propagandists promote these distortions and false views.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

      • (This is satire)

        A typical Khazar reply:

        No, you are scientifically/empirically incorrect.

        It is believed only by Jew bakers/Aushvitz cleaners that anything that disparages us is
        right.

        For you to even talk about this is (choose some adjectives) is virulently/horribly (blah blah) antisemetic.

        You are attempting a (clever) dog whistle that we can hear effortlessly and will attack you for it.

        You (not we) are the evil propagandists/hate mongers

        ROFL

        Comment by rm | February 13, 2011

  3. Interesting.. I’ve heard once from my father -when I was a little boy- that we were from Khazars. We are not jews. We are moslem in religion. But I always sensed a pro-Israeli view in my family..

    Comment by Visitor | January 24, 2009

  4. Thanks, I learned much new information and brushed up on some I already knew. Good to know folks are aware around the globe. Lets continue awakening the people. It’s the best we can do.

    Comment by La Verdad | January 24, 2009

  5. This information is awesome and makes sense but will people listen?
    With this new fake U.S. President I believe the new world order will be completed sooner than later.
    The entire message is very well presented thank you.
    God help us all.

    Comment by B. Benhamid | January 24, 2009

  6. “When we talk about Jews we are talking about those Khazar warriors.”

    They are long dead. Fighting ancient battles based on ancient prejudiced is not rational.

    Lets deal with those living now. Are you insinuating bigotry is o.k. because of the “sins of the fathers.”..

    Hi,

    Ezekiel 18 :

    19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?’ Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
    21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. 23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord GOD, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?
    24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.

    Rgds
    Mosesman

    Comment by Melkizidek | January 24, 2009

    • There are sheep and there are goats.

      There are wheat and there are tares.

      A sheep cannot become a goat and a goat cannot become a sheep.

      The same goes for wheat and tares.

      Its genetic.

      The wheat is going to be gathered into the barn.

      The tares are bundled and burned.

      Everything requires proper context.

      Comment by JamesTheJust | May 7, 2011

  7. On November 4,Americans could have voted all these criminals out- those who supported the bailout, wars etc. They voted 95% of them right back in. They will soon get the fruits of what they have paid for. Not just in 08 election, but for many elections of prior voter malfeasance. The responsibility and the consequences are individual. It starts with one.

    Comment by uuir | January 24, 2009

    • This is the most truthful comment I have read on any site; Bravo!

      Comment by Howard | May 25, 2009

    • The Americans have no options. There is no one else to vote for. They have a 2 pary system, both parties are the same. The are all criminal. The media is also controlled by these same criminals. External parties are allowed but road blocks are put up in front of them to prevent them from any chance they may have.

      We are all slaves. Unity is impossible. Were doomed.

      Comment by Mike | May 25, 2009

  8. The world is run by 3 city states. They are Washington, DC(military), inner city of London(financial), and the Vatican(religion, all religions). All religions are like Freemasonry, a visible part and an invisible part. In the invisible part they worship Lucyfer(Isis, Venus, Ishtar, Hera, Aphrodite, etc.) and know it. In the visible part they worship Lucyfer without knowing it. America is still a British(German) colony.
    The 3 city states are run by the descendants of Cain, Ham(Naamah), Canaanites, Esau(married into the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Ishmael’s daughters, other middle eastern peoples, Khazars(Ashkenazi), Spanish(Spanish Edomites/Sephardic), and the tribe of Dan). The 3 city states control the “east” and “west” which are only an illusion.
    Thesis/antithesis/synthesis.
    All elections of all countries are a farce.
    People become responsible when they have 100% TRUTH, which is non existent today. The only way to maybe defeat them is to question everything, think outside the box and quit fighting other parts of the masses. As long as the masses continue to fight each other the elite will continue to win.

    Comment by Chi0ne1 | January 25, 2009

    • You’ve been smoking too much Eric Jon Phelps weed.

      Comment by Ognir | May 25, 2009

  9. Well, I think Koesler’s work is important in showing that Judaism is a religion not a race. For example you can have Native American Christians. They are still Native American racially. Archaeologically there is not much to prove that Abraham existed like the Bible tells us he does. The story may have been snatched from another culture. Even so, the whole religious ideology should be removed in the way we, (the US) deals with Israel. I recently wrote a blog entitled “Forgiving the Holocaust”.

    Comment by shankarikali | January 25, 2009

  10. These fake jews (Khazars) are the one and only reason that we find ourselves after over 2,000 years since Jesus walked the physical plane, having not evolved to a higher consciousness and harmony.

    These parasites, coupled with the compromised gentile authorities they have subverted along the way, are the enemies of mankind, pure and simple.

    The time is way way overdue for them to be neutralized and justifiably so. For they have degraded mankind through their trickery, murder, pornography and unjust money system. As Andrew Jackson said in 1832 about them, with regards to the 2nd bank of the U.S. which he was denying a recharter on the grounds that it was a threat to the “liberties of the people.” He said, “You are a den of vipers and I will root you out and destroy you.” Jackson saw the threat and after a lot of toil denied the international jew money changer the right to debase the money supply. A short time later he was the first president targeted for assasination.

    The time is long oversue to overturn the Debasement of the natural goodness of the peoples by this sinister group, and rightfully return us to the natural order of things. It looks like we’ll need divine intervention of some sort to overturn this major plague.

    Thus, the restoration towards a just balance in the governing systems of the world with an eye towards raising the consciousnes back to square one should be the overriding priority as we hover over the abyss. This will have to be a cosmic catalyst.

    Comment by William Wallace | January 25, 2009

    • These blueblood vipers and thieves are driven by alien reptilians. They use the merkaba which is sacred geometry (the so-called star of David), to cruise around in and torment people. See this great flick called the 13 Masonic Secrets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bRnsbdCF5s

      Comment by G. F. F. | May 27, 2009

    • Its nice to see that Anti-Semitism is alive and well. When we finally stop blaming others for our problems and failures, when we stop letting our “leaders” and the media distract us from the real hard work of progress with convenient scapegoats, then maybe we have a chance. Mr. Wallace, you refer to the Khazars as fake jews and “parasites”. Well Mr. Wallace, it is you who are the bug – a bug I would relish the opportunity the stomp with my irish-american boot if you came within sight of me.
      I found this site because I wanted to do a little research on the Khazar Empire and instead I found a bunch of conspiratorial douchebags who want to blame the Jews for everything from the collapsed equity of their double-wide mobile home to their persistent case of herpes they contracted from the family dog. I am Irish-American of decent and believe me, we’re no innocents when it comes to prejudice (ask the northern irish or the english for starters) but at least many of us see the Church for what it is, an organization run by a group of old men who want to increase or at least preserve as much of their wealth and power for as long as possible. A perfect example of that is the Church’s promotion of “the blood libel” against the Jews throughout history. Perfect scapegoats. Sounds sort of ridiculous these days, huh?? Or do some of you jackasses still believe there are jewish vampires out there?? If you can show me proof of one, I’ll show you my Irish Frankenstein.

      Comment by Micheal Collins, Irish Patriot | January 15, 2010

      • Yeah because the IMF, that is descending down upon every nation on earth to seize their productivity and resources isn’t run by Jews, right? And the central banking systems in each country are not run by Jewish Rothschild banking interests, right? And at least here in the States, you CAN’T get into politics without being a 100% supporter of Israel – AIPAC vets all candidates in Washington DC.

        A FOREIGN AGENT vets our candidates.

        You are goddamn right I’m going to get pissed off. And call me an anti-Semite if you wish but all I want IS TO LIVE IN PEACE IN MY COUNTRY AND NOT HAVE IT OVERRUN BY AGENTS OF A FOREIGN NATION.

        Surely you should appreciate that.

        Comment by sharpinchitown | February 12, 2011

    • Dear Friend,
      After I lost all to the fucking IRS, I finally started getting myself educated and ended up writing an entire book about the origins of this violent and secretive race of parasites. In fact, the name of the book is PARASITE! I now am looking for a publisher but will probably self-publish in order to protect my work. Any suggestions. I think my book has the potential to wake up the sleeping masses. Jimmy

      Comment by jimmy | January 30, 2010

  11. That’s the problem. The U.S. citizens were dummies again and voted back in the most of the same corrupt scum.

    And now Obama seems to be such a big hero, although, both Obama and McCain couldn’t wait to vote to pass that massive bank bailout and they both bent over backwards to placate the pro-illegal alien crowd.

    Comment by Roxan Tiscareno | January 25, 2009

  12. “I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” Revelation 2:9

    harsh, but there it is.

    Comment by imhotep | January 25, 2009

  13. If Americans are such good Christians, why do they support a religion that teaches Jesus is in hell boiling in excrement?(Talmud) Jesus warned that the Jews were of the synogogue of satan. Peerfect description. Also, the Bible warns us about loving money(mammon) to much. What does a Jew love more than money? NOTHING!

    Hi,

    I do not subscribe to a view that says a race is all good or all bad. It is nonsense. In every country and race, there are good people and evil people. There are also misguided people. So discernment is needed.

    Such generalization : What does a Jew love more than money? Nothing! is Untrue ! It will not promote peace and love for your fellow man. There are many Jews IMO that are far better person than what I will ever be. And I am learning from such people.

    So please: let’s have constructive criticism. And let’s promote love and goodwill to our fellow man. Remember Jesus said with regard to men : Love your enemy! Love those that hate you and deceitfully persecute you. Jews are not the enemy. Satan is. Jesus Christ is a Jew! So I love Jews and hope that God will guide them and open their eyes to the truth : Yeshua Hamashiach !

    May God my savior bless you and keep in peace and love for our fellow man! Including Jews!

    Rgds
    Mosesman

    Comment by Cat Callahan | January 25, 2009

    • Mosesman, i have a question for you. You said in this closing; “May God my savior”….Do you not believe Christ was the savior of mankind? Jew and Gentile alike? I noticed you left His name out.

      Comment by Joseph | September 26, 2009

  14. Well, this guy doesn’t have his historical facts right.
    For people who don’t know history he seems credible.
    In 500 AD there was no christianity up north from khazaria as he claims in his “lesson”. Christianity was forced upon RUS people after 988 AD.in Kiev by Knjaz Vladimir.
    Plus map they display Khzarian “empire” is not factual
    it was much smaller formation between Caspian and Black sea

    Comment by kyjbida | January 25, 2009

    • True except for America being Rev 18 “Babylon”. This Lie is the culmination of the Great Work, not fulfillment of the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ. This coupled with the Roman Church labeled MYSTERY, BABYLON in Rev 17 has been planned since the inception of both. Jesus said a Strong Delusion will come; this is it.

      Comment by Howard | May 25, 2009

  15. The Khazars did NOT convert to the Judaism of Abraham and Moses…No they converted to TALMUDISM which IS Babylon Mystery Religion (aka Satanism). It is the blasphemy from Babylon where the people tried build a tower to heaven to do battle with God. Through these fake Jews Satan has worked a plan to devour the world and the plan is very nearly complete. The USA IS the Harlot of Babylon controlled by the fake Jew money changers since 1913 and used to create the conditions for a One World Government. The USA will meet a swift end (as in nuclear war) for its part in this scheme.

    Obama is going to make a big military/diplomatic move to try and separate Russia from its oil in a desperate attempt to save the US Dollar. The resulting chaos will be the needed condition to usher in the NWO.

    Comment by Perry L | January 25, 2009

    • Total non-sense.

      BS heaped on BS.

      I would like you to prove one point of this crap.

      Prove this;

      “The Khazars did NOT convert to the Judaism of Abraham and Moses…No they converted to TALMUDISM which IS Babylon Mystery Religion (aka Satanism).”

      But you can’t because the sentence contains several falsehoods and mistaken ideas, implied.

      First, Judaism, is not a single set of beliefs, it evolved over time, and different groups of Jewish populations followed different views and practices over time.

      Realize we are talking about a religion which is a sociological phenomena, which goes back some >3800 years, a religion practiced by diverse people under diverse circumstances.

      There is no evidence that the Khazarian converts had the sophistication to differentiate between one set of Jewish beliefs and practices or another. What they did though was to seek Jewish clergy from orthodox populations in the Middle East. There is no evidence they would have read Hebrew or could have studied the Talmud.

      There further is no evidence that Talmudism is Satanism, outside of the rants of internet bigots like yourself.

      And there is no evidence that the post Babylonian Jewish population were “Talmudists – Satanists”.

      Total, bigoted, ignorant crap, but typical of the assertions of Jew haters like this creep.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

  16. 90% of Israeli Jews genom is identical with Kurds and local Arabs, and only 10% with Europeans. That’s when about 3/4 of the population is either Sepharadim, Yemanaites, Ethiopean(not jews according to the Rabinate) and mixed people.
    Even then, Ashkenazim are slpit between ‘real ashkenazim’,
    ‘Sepharad refugees'( who fled year 1492 inquisition ) and mixed. Current distribution:
    USA: Ashkenazim ~5 million, Other ~ 1 Million
    Israel: Ashkenazim ~1.5 million, Other ~ 4.2 Million
    Europe(incl. Russia/CIS): Ashkenazim ~1 million.

    Given the current trends of Sepharadim high birth rate
    and USA/European Ashkenazim mixing with white-christians,
    then by ~2030 break-even and by century’s end nearly only
    Sepharadim, where the Israeli ones will be forced in to Islam, if the country isn’t nuked much earlier.

    Comment by Jeromr | January 25, 2009

  17. All these posts were good and right on the money!

    Comment by Tyrell Cummins | January 25, 2009

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    Comment by herbaqu | January 25, 2009

  19. These comments or bizarre. It was interesting to learn of
    population migrations, and how different area were settle and fought over. But how the anti Jewish comments were brought in is bizarre to me.

    Comment by massein | January 25, 2009

  20. An excellent analysis… kudos to the author…

    Comment by Zaki Khalid | January 25, 2009

  21. The Khazar Ermpire minted Coins so we know they actually existed. This research has been done Since The Thirteenth Tribe was written. History is often authenticated from Coins. The belief that the Khazars are Turkish is wrong. They are White Huns. Kevin Brooks and others have written extensively on this subject.

    Comment by Khankrumthebulgar | January 25, 2009

  22. The people blaming voters are extremely unilluminated. The vote is RIGGED. It is owned by the central bankers and Diebold Software. You get tired of their republican games so they put in a democrat. Doesn’t matter who you vote for when the system is rigged.

    Comment by Ken D. Webber | January 25, 2009

    • Revelation 2:9 reads, “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which sy they are Jews, and are not, but are the Synagouge of Satan.” Revelation 3:9-10, reads, “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold I will make them come and worship before thy feet, and to kow that I have loved thee.
      10 Because thous has kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
      One cannot convert to the DNA of Abraham. “Of thy seed, I will make a great nation,” is what Yahweh told Abram, when the covenant was made.

      Comment by Ron | November 13, 2009

      • Judaism is a religion not a race.

        God will determine who inherits any of the promises he made to mankind.

        And I know you have absolutely know idea of what race, ethnicity Abram was, or that of the ancient Jews for example, or of modern Jewish populations either.

        Its obvious from these comments that you are a religious wack job.

        Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

  23. This new/old form of anti-Jewish hatred has no basis in understanding. Just like Christianity and Islam, Judaism is made up of peoples of multiple races. When one goes to Israel now and looks at the multi-racial composition of the Jewish people there, this truth is easily seen. To try and vilify one of the races of people that comprises Judaism (that happens to be the majority)using this lie is worse than dishonest. It an attempt to deceive people as to what a real Jew is, and fire up old anti-Jewish sentiments once again.

    Comment by dean | January 25, 2009

    • There is only 1 Race of Man on Earth made in the image and likeness of the Creator. Racial divisions began when Akkadians invaded Sumeria and have never stopped; we should stop this lie right now.

      Comment by Howard | May 25, 2009

  24. all i have to say is :as long as americans still vote for these two(same) parties (democrat) ,and (republican).america will still be an un-free police-state country,with rigged,no-choice,stolen elections.

    the only party is constitution party,or perhaps green party.or new party that has to be developed by the (consumers) people.

    take back our evil,corrupt government.destroy.get rid of our controlled media.can you believe these brain-dead,lying snakes get $100,000 to $200,000 dollars for giving us 24 hr. misinformation.

    it’s the bankers stupid!refuse to pay taxes.get a tax-free internet job.there are many out there.which our scambag government is trying to end.there is no more middle class,in amerika.

    today’s middle class is no future,living from paycheck-to-paycheck.until you lose your house/apartment/land.homeless in the country your great forefathers won for our freedom.

    taxes,of course were created in 1913 to enslave us.look it up on google to see if i’m lying like they(illumanati) are.

    if you still have any life in that tv sitting,overly-medicated body.revolt!rebel!

    revolution my friends—is the only answer!do it-stop talking about it macho (girly) man!

    Comment by dustin mcsweeney | January 25, 2009

    • This is precisely what I’ve been saying for years — it’s time for revolution to bring about positive change. The pinworms running things in DC are not going to create the necessary changes. People ask me why life is being made so difficult high costs of living)for them. I explain why, and end by telling them, “nothing is going to change for the better until someone picks up the gun and brings change about.”

      We must, however, go about it very judiciously, because the rotten govt in DC maybe waiting for a revolt to use it as the pretext to dump a dictatorship upon us. Any revolt must, in order to be victorious, be a matter of bloody & brutal overkill upon our enemies, because if it fails, then the result will be more than catastrophic for real Americans.

      Comment by Sylvester Katt | May 25, 2009

    • Dustin, I do agree about the political system. And liberal and conservatives would be a kiss of death. They never seem to take an actual stand on issues. They play the middle a lot. And complain about issue, but never provide a vyable answer. But I have to ask; are you talking about a federal tax? Because you know, we brought the tax system with our forefathers. The tax system is in the Library of Congress records as far back as 1733.

      Comment by Joseph | September 26, 2009

  25. Thank for description. It good data

    Comment by takamura15 | January 25, 2009

    • Koestler’s writings are not a theory. Even The Encycloedia Judaica,says that the Khazars converted to the Hebrew religion, upon the orders of their king, Bulan, in 740 A.D. The Khazar apologists, of whom there are many, want to legitimize, claiming that Hebrew is a religion, when, in fact it a race, chosen by Yahweh, to be exalted above all nations, on one condition, that they be obedient to His law, as given to Moses, on Mt.Sinai. Absent that, they will be collared in iron yokes, put in ships, sent to serve in every nation, and destroyed, until they comply with his law. Deutoronomy: 1-68.

      Comment by Ron | November 16, 2009

      • Wrong. Totally completely wrong.

        Judaism is a religion not a race.

        God will determine who inherits any of the promises he made to mankind.

        And I know you have absolutely know idea of what race, ethnicity Abram was, or that of the ancient Jews for example, or of modern Jewish populations either.

        Its obvious from these comments that you are a religious wack job.

        Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

  26. You should know that Koestler’s theory is not supported by any genetic or historical evidence. You can start to find the facts here and go from there.

    Hi,

    Thank you for your comments. On genetics and genealogy this link is also pretty interesting :

    http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.html

    Personally, I don’t think all these genetic or genealogy is as important as whether a person is a good person or bad person. Over emphasis on race usually results in negative connotations. It is more important that a person is right before God, what ever race he is from is inconsequential.

    History wise for me at least it is fascinating being an avid reader of history. It is my opinion that human history is probably 30-40% propaganda as found in the textbooks. The problem as always is : which portion is 30-40% incorrect? Can I be totally wrong on any historical aspect? Absolutely!

    May God bless you and your family and bless Israel with love for Yeshua Hamashiach !

    Rgds
    Mosesman

    Comment by Cassandra Goldman | January 25, 2009

  27. BS this man is a disinformation agent of the worst kind. You don’t take money out of circulation you devalue it by printing more and more. Why was the queens last name left out of this analysis. Tell us something we can use. This is pure hate mongering designed to make you angry though most of it is true. What about the Bolsheviks that killed gazillions of Russians as well as the Romanovs.

    I suspect that liberty is why these ‘people’ run the place. I also suspect that the Jews were ‘chosen’ by these satanists to be the scapegoat long long before even the pyramids were built.

    The guy even slipped up Freudian style in the first 15 mins. ‘One of us’ means to me that he is one of them and this is also their style. This is their ‘revelations’ which is part of their plan.

    Comment by sugamari | January 25, 2009

  28. Like I’m going to trust the Askenazi controlled Wikipedia or look at the delusions of poster #27.

    Comment by save us | January 25, 2009

  29. The first so called “Fake Jews” were Edomites descended from Jacob’s twin brother Esau. Impersonation was employed by Rebekah using goat skins and Esau’s clothing on Jacob to secure Isaac’s blessing. Their symbol is the “Eagle”; scripture does not support the theory that Israel’s Tribe of Dan used it as Koestler suggests. The Society of Red Men can be tracked by following the Red Sun, Red Dragon, Red Star, Red Shield, Red Cross and Red Crescent.

    Comment by Howard | January 25, 2009

  30. All 3 main religions are slated to be destroyed by the elite. They have them all fighting each other, with each one always claiming to be the victim.
    “Jews” and Hebrews(12 sons of Jacob, minus Dan) are 2 different entities. If there is a Messiah he would be Hebrew instead of a “Jew”.
    The name “Jew” and “Palestinian” are made up names to cause confusion and conflict.
    Thesis/antithesis/synthesis

    Comment by Chi0ne1 | January 25, 2009

  31. Do all our Congressmen and Congresswomen own bank stock? Nancy Pelosi wants more TARP money than the 700 billion already wasted

    Comment by The Intellectual Redneck | January 25, 2009

  32. The European colonists who call themselves “The Jews” have pulled off the greatest scam in history, by posing as heirs to the Children of Israel. It took an “ex” Communist, “ex” Zionist, and non-Jewish Jew, Koestler, to expose them!
    Zionism is racism, whether in Palestine or Zionist Occupied America.

    Comment by poetwarrior | January 25, 2009

  33. I’m not sure it really matters what “race” or “relgion” specifically the corrupt Money Changer Elitists are as someone above posted you can’t blame a whole group for what some of those in that “group” do. The MAIN thing that should be kept in mind is that these Elitists (and their puppets) work night and day to maintain their chokehold of CONTROL on the rest of the world’s citizens and every day tighten the noose of slavery to absolutley CRUSH any last bit of Independence of the world’s citizenry.

    David Rockefeller summed it up all so well in his notorious speach to the CFR monieed Elitist crowd with his words that a world controlled by the rich international bankers and “intellectuals” was surely preferable to a world filled with self determining Republics using Democratic ideals and that either people must come to accept this bondage willingly or it would be achieved by conquest.

    This I think is going to usher in the “Final Armageddon” when citizens get so fed up with Rich monied Elitists types trying to micromanage and surveil citizens every move, word and thought 24/7 using every bit of treachery and destructive means to bring this about that there is going to be one hell of a rebellion. And now that the world can see clearly who the REAL TERRORISTS are (behind the small groups of patsy terrorists) these worshiper of “Lucifer” might not even be safe in their fortified bunkers much less to walk the streets and be seen in public. Get ready. The world is going to throw these parasites off once and for all and I see one HELL of a “Final” battle brewing for the right of people to just live and be left alone.

    Comment by This American | January 25, 2009

  34. do you know they are teaching chemtrails to our kids in school.In a science book written by centre point.

    http://www.cplearning.com/SEIV.html

    5 years ago no such thing not its in books.
    In australia if chemtrails are around a school they keep the children inside the school.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=chemtrails+and+australian+schools++

    many countries see more than we do open your eyes and mind.
    google haarp

    Comment by nebula69 | January 25, 2009

  35. Only 13% of the people in America faught the British king to gain “independence”. The rest said “leave me alone” or tried to sqaush the “rebels” themselves. Everyone will never be involved in the fight for truth. Know it, learn, do not be frozen in ANY dogma, be willing to change your views if new information comes to light. Teach your young ones the light and teach them to do the same. You cant do this if you’re at work all the time. At the end the “company” will be wealthy and you will be dead.

    I have chosen time with my children over perceived prosperity and have never looked back. Faith in YOURSELF and life….

    Comment by Blueshield | January 25, 2009

  36. Very informative and interesting article. The video was awesome!

    Comment by multiplemonitors | January 25, 2009

  37. “The Illuminati refers to a tightly organized network of family dynasties representing Anglo American and European aristocracy and Jewish finance joined by intermarriage, belief in the occult, and hatred of Christianity. Freemasonry is their instrument. They care nothing for their non-Illuminati brethren, Jewish or not. They will destroy billions as they create a neo feudal world characterized by the superrich, their support staff, soldiers and serfs.”

    http://www.savethemales.ca/000546.html

    Comment by solaric | January 25, 2009

    • To the extent this is true, it is proof that ordinary Jewish people thru the ages have had nothing to do with any secret society, like the alleged ‘illuminati’ or ‘freemasonry’.

      It is also proof that the Jewish religion has nothing to do with the extremely wealthy who do want to subjugate the mass of humanity and who do want to re-create a lopsided feudal society. Do you want to know who they are? Look at the Bilderberg attendees lists.

      These wealthy people who would subjugate humanity, which does include some Jews, are not primarily Jews, and they are not predominantly Jews, or Khazars to address some of the truly crazy people who have written into this page.

      In fact, they hate ordinary Jewish people and use them like they use everyone else.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

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  39. poster 35 great post, and many others too. I see some people in a really good frequency right now. It makes me happy to know there are others who will stand up and fight for the truth when the final battle comes to be. We might not be many but we fight for the truth and we will have the Highest on our side. Hope to see you after we destroy evil and prevail my friends.

    Comment by manuel | January 26, 2009

  40. Did any 1 see one of the Rothchilds was commenting 1 of his puppets Oboma.

    Comment by nebula69 | January 26, 2009

    • In fact, Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild called Obama an “elitist” on CNN, and was a supporter of Hillary Clinton, and predicted widely that Hillary would win the Democratic Party Presidential nomination against Obama.

      And when Hillary didn’t prevail, Forester sounded like the typical disaffected ‘tea-bagger’, saying she would probably support McCain instead of Obama.

      http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/hillraiser_lady_lynn_forester_de_rothschild_calls_obama_an_elitist_on_cnn/

      If you have any public quotes by any Rothschild that show their political allegiances, lets see them.

      As far as I can tell, all this crap about the Rothschilds is just that, BS, by bigoted ignoramuses.

      And as reliable an analysis as what we hear about the ‘illuminati’ and the ‘freemasons’ or the Jesuits, or the ‘black pope’.

      As far as I can tell it is BS.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

  41. There was a gap in the video presentation about the Kazar Empire. I’d be interested in knowing what was cut out, wondering if you got hacked…
    Thanks

    Hi,

    You can goto Youtube and retrieve another copy. But it is broken up into many 10mins videos. I have watched both and don’t recall anything significant that was cut. I could be wrong but I don’t think so.

    Part 1 of 6 here :

    Rgds
    Mosesman

    Comment by John MacLeod | January 26, 2009

  42. G’day from sunny metropolis Adelaide, South Australia!!! :)

    http://www.Metropolis5000.net

    Comment by Webmaestro | January 26, 2009

  43. well,

    Iceland has collapsed and I wonder who will be the next.

    I talk to people tell them what I know and they don’t want

    to hear it.I believe that the Illum-new world scum is right

    on track with their plans.Im checking the web and they have

    riots in the streets up there,banks are closed,people lost

    all they had.Well no more paying your mortgage,car payment

    etc.But you have to watch out who will come to your house

    and try to take what you have.IT HAS BEGUN FOLKS.

    As soon as a few more countries go under I have my plan

    to adhere to to keep me and mine safe for whatever comes next.

    Comment by nebula69 | January 26, 2009

  44. Video and books online library abput thw global jew mafia

    http://hoff2.wordpress.com/

    Comment by hoff2 | January 26, 2009

  45. I’ve never been more hopeful that people worldwide are learning the unalterable truth of history which has been altered by a minimum of a thousand years! I’ve been keeping up with these Illuminati for 28 years…and for those who think it is still conspiracy…think again..all of this is now declassified information..The Illuminati have infiltrated every form of life as we know it-religious, education, commerce, health, and media. If these whistle blowers are somehow wrong, then why have they all been consistently murdered, silenced, financially ruined, or ridiculed? The history of this corruption began long before any of the major religions were conceived..trying starting around 65 BC for starters..The NWO is upon us now..with the creation of the European/African/Asian Unions. Watch the video Esoteric Agenda-Endgame-The Corporation for starters–then get Eustace Mullins book the Federal Reserve–beyond belief yes but accurate yes!! Peace be unto all of you–for the truth will set you free! (ps) Freedom means you have nothing left to lose!

    Comment by plato | January 26, 2009

    • “It these whistle blowers are wrong, then how come they have been ridiculed?” HA HA HA HA. I wonder why… obviously a vicious plot.

      Comment by jordan pearson | June 12, 2010

  46. Nice premise. Almost Correct.

    The Khazars are not the NWO. The real NWO is British Royal Crown family who is from the tribe of Dan. The real Jews are actually Shepardic Egyptian Pharohs who then migrated to Macedonia, Germany, Scandinavia, then Britain ie the current royal family

    The Khazars are scapegoats, They were almost wiped out by the real Jews, the British Crown, and Hitler. The fake Jews “Khazars” were then given Israel by plan to fulfill the end or times scenario for the NWO.

    Its all a complicated mind control experiment to fullfill the end of times scenario in the bible. (which is pure BS only a guidebook to mindf**ck the human race)

    If you want to look for the real Jewish people look for the Obelisks.

    By the way 99% of the Jews are good people and are as innocent as the rest of us.

    This should give many of you enough info to connect your own dots. Follow the Obelisks and follow the word “DAN”

    We are living in a virtual prison and letting these people control you with their religions, jobs, money, taxes, tv, radio, wars, drugs, food, logos, magic, etc.

    Jesus won’t save you. You need to save yourself and take personal responsibility.

    Wake up – unplug yourself

    Namaste

    Hi,

    Interesting. But John 3:

    16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
    17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
    18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    There is a spiritual war going on. We are in the midst of it. Unfortunately, as you say people need to Wake Up!

    rgds
    Mosesman

    Comment by jimmy | January 26, 2009

  47. pretty cool

    Comment by jsoncook | January 27, 2009

  48. Does poster #27 realize that the Bolshevik revolution and the genocide of tens of millions that followed for decades was a Jewish movement?

    Comment by Not_Chosen | January 27, 2009

  49. Yes Dan is a major part of it, but he also teamed up with Esau who married into the Canaanites(Cain’s line), Ishmael’s daughter, Spanish(Sephardic), Khazars, and other middle eastern people. Esau was evil way before Dan got started. Esau with his connection to the line of Cain, would probably be top dog in the elite structure. The “leadership” of the “east” and “west” come from Cain, Ham, Esau, and then Dan. They threw the Khazars in so that the world would feel sorry for the slaughter and give them a homeland. Unfortunately for many of the puppets they will be terminated when their usefulness is finished.

    Comment by Chi0ne1 | January 28, 2009

  50. Read my reviews at yahoo.com search Walter E.Haas.With all of what most have stated it indicates you are informed.The world Order has infiltrated all segments of society world wide.This most of you have stated.For a simple view of how it gose together this one world. My reviews are sufficient.Detail I leave to all of you as there are multiple factors and many of you have got into the more complexed aspects.Thank you.

    Walter E. Haas

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | January 28, 2009

  51. To # 46 and everyone else. I am a former Catholic. 1 and 1/2 years ago on October 31, 2007, (interestingly, the END of daylight “savings” time in my area of the US) I saw a program where 2012 was mentioned, and started doing research on that.

    What I found out was so disturbing to me that I prayed to God/Jesus to send the Holy Spirit to guide me in my search for the truth. I asked God since I am only human, to answer my prayer in a way that I would be able to understand, to know that it was HE who was guiding me!

    After that every time I would be looking up something on the computer, say about freemasonry, synagogue of satan, etc. I would hear something on TV in the same room, and the TV program would be about the EXACT same thing I was currently researching. This was the second time in my life that I sincerely prayed and had God answer my prayer in a way that I could understand that he answered me.

    Unfortunately, I kept on doing the same old things anyway, until I got a real wake-up call and started putting God first in my life. Since I did that, God has blessed me with peace and love, and good things.

    My point is, if you sincerely ask God for guidance, he will answer you, as the Bible clearly states. He wants us to be saved, that’s why he sent his son, Jesus, he knows we can’t do it by ourselves.

    We that believe according to faith are especially blessed, but Jesus even proved to the apostle Thomas (doubting Thomas) that he was the risen Lord, so there is a precedent that he realized that some would need proof.

    So for those of you who have friends or loved ones that doubt the God given inspiration of the Bible I found these two things that may be a talking point for those who make the kinds of statements #46 made, because they are scientifically based, ie mathematics.

    First, see this link, which is not that long of an article, but worth your time compared to eternity!

    http://www.thehypertexts.com/Mysterious_Ways/Ivan_Panin_Bible_Codes_Mathematical_Signature.htm

    Then consider this statement by Rebecca A. Sexton

    The center of the Bible is Psalms 118:8. The shortest chapter in the Bible is Psalms 117 and the longest chapter in the Bible is Psalms 119. There are 594 chapters before Psalms 118 and 594 chapters after. These numbers add up to 1188. Psalms 118:8, the center of the Bible, is the best way to end this article:

    “It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.”

    God bless you all, in the name of Jesus.

    ps, feel free to e-mail me at mildwomansue@gmail.com if you would like to comment or find out what the first answered prayer was about.

    Comment by sezsue | January 28, 2009

    • I concur. No matter how much understanding or education on this subject one has, you still have no real proof, except what someone passed on to you. Questionable at best. If we understood what God is doing, we would be God-like. We could never be so honored. Trust in God…through Christ. There, you will find all you need. Stop filling your heads people with theories and maybe’s. It is all unimportant. You can do nothing about it. Just be waiting diligently for Christ to come and save US all. Jew, Gentile, Muslim, Christian, white or black; God will save all of you who acknowledge Him and seek his guidance.

      Comment by Joseph | September 26, 2009

  52. Please watch!

    Comment by john mata | February 1, 2009

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  55. someone said that it is wrong to say that khazars are Turks and that Khazars are White huns.first learn the fact. Huns are a tribe of Turks !

    Comment by atilla | March 1, 2009

  56. I havent seen a bunch of mixed nuts like you guys in a long long time. Have nothing better to do than blame the Jews for all your problems. The Jews are the original people of the Book and have an unbroken Mesorah for 3500 years. The level of idiocy I have seen expressed here makes me fear that even the most so-called literate people have serious mental problems which cause them to become antisemites. You all have a place waiting for you in Gehennom and I pray you receive your due punishment soon.

    Comment by muman613 | March 12, 2009

    • #56 – There will be no punishment to be had. You believe in a vengeful god. That’s an ancient and primitive mindset projecting mankind’s limited reasoning onto a Supreme Being, which sadly is still prevalent today, indicating society has not evolved much. God is so much more evolved than humans to be thinking/acting like us. Jesus taught that we are at One with God. He tried to tell people that we are much more than we had been led to beleive. He of course, called the Pharisees upholding of Talmudic teachings as the “Synagogue of Satan.” The Pharisees of course killed a great man for telling the truth, that’s all you need to know.

      Comment by William Wallace | May 25, 2009

      • Billy Boy,

        The fact of the existence of a supreme being is without need to prove, especially to someone as simple minded as yourself. There is no force in all of existence which could create space and time itself, and matter and intellect. These things dont exist in a vacuum of nothingness. The fact that you believe that everything just happened is laughable to me.

        I don’t care what a charlatan known as Jesus said. The L-rd is not a man, nor the son of man. Your understanding of the creator is stained by your pagan and Roman polytheistic beliefs. As you mention synagogue of Satan shows you know nothing about what Satan is. Satan is the prosecutor and not the devil which you think. Everything in this world and the next is,was, and will be created only by Hashem, the merciful G-d. You called him vengeful? That is the invention of the church. We don’t believe in Satan, only Hashem.. He is the source of peace, source of blessing, and the source of life.

        Those who disobey his wishes are offending their beloved, and will have to deal with the consequences. The Jewish people are the special people of Hashem, and your religion attempts to lie and twist the truth. I could explain all the mistranslations and truth twisting of Christianity, but I will save it because I don’t think it will change you, and I don’t have time to even try. This site contains slander and mistruth and I will stand up for my people Israel. We have suffered much under the hands of so-called religious christians who only lust to shed Jewish blood.

        When the Moshiach comes the wicked will be removed from the world. If you have any belief in the Bible the time to repent for your sins is nearly arrived!

        Comment by muman613 | October 2, 2009

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  58. This is to inform all that there is no question that the N.W.O exist as I will give evident that follows.Globalism is the instrument of the N.W.O..The secret government controls most of the leaders of the world.

    The Fed is central bank and it is not federal.Article 1 Section 8 U.S. Constitution.Federal Reserve Act is unconstitutional according to U.S. Constitution.

    Rothschild and Rockefeller are richest familes in the world and major shareholders of FED.The central banks world wide are Rothschild banks.

    Since the FED is unconstitutional the American government is unconstitutional.This is logical progession.The congress is in violation of U.S. constitution.JFK Executive Order 11110 proves my statement correct.

    England controls the banking of the world through Rothschild interest.Reference rinse.com Eustice Mullins Tells It Like it Is.The FED is the biggest mafia in the world.

    The world is controlled by shares.Rothschild,Rockefeller are dominant shareholders of corporations,foundations.Rockefeller controls The medical industry AMA,etc.

    Rockefeller and Rothschild and United Nations connection through CFR,etc.

    War Is Is A Racket.Military Industrial Congressional Complex.The Report From Iron Mountain research.For status quo to retain power they must perpetuate war,fear,credit enslavement.The Security Council members are the worlds largest arms dealers.

    War is profit by exploiting resources of nation and its people.Imperialism uses democracy for these ends.As we see in U.S. once the Sovient Union was finished The U.S started becomming a Police State.

    Nixon open door to China trade.Now the U.S. has to rely on China to finance western world.The west finance its own destruction.China is now a possible enemy.There is arms build up as result.Of course the arms dealers profit from this developement.Military Industrial Complex.Play all side for profit.

    Who are the communist fascist internationalist.World Trade Organization,IMF,WB,etc all support globalism.How can west compete with 2 billion 500 million population.What has happen to west since globalization commenced.What are the facts.Depression world wide.More poverty,more destruction of world environment.Who are the criminals.

    I wrote 27 reviews and comments at Amazon.com.Walter E. Haas at search google.com type in my name.Amazon and other internet providers removed 11 which had been on line for a long period.I expanded my comments for reviews.This is why they were removed.Our U.S establishment is criminal.The evidence is conclusive.Violations of U.S. Constitution.Terroist acts.Who is the enemy.Who is the terroist.

    The jews have had big problems with my reviews.Amazon Books is controlled by jewish influence in my opinion.

    I have never accused all jews of being racist or terroist as I do not accuse all gentiles of being racist or terroist.It is my opinion jews as a majotity feel anyone who opposes there doctrine is Hitler as they implied I was.

    Gentiles and jews are part of N>W>O>.They both belong to the same secret organization and secret world government.There is a segment of jews that are best world specialist in investment.Jews control the Fed.Is the American government controlled by Zionost.If it is it is because the gentiles soldout to them.Nuclear weapons could be used for blackmail.Israel is number 5 in nuclear arms.U.S. Tax payer paid for it,and is paying everyday.

    Now gentiles are the majority so if the jews and gentile elite have out smarted their own people so be it.

    I cannot blame the jews for wanting power.Jews have had pesecution world wide because of competition.In Palestine we see results of what jews will do as is stated in the bible.I am an atheist so god does not enter on this point.
    The jews seem to have no rules in war.In Talmud it says all are animals except jews.

    Gentiles and jews who care nothing for their own people are people of a defferent group are the lowest form of life.They deserve no consideration as they are at war with mankind.
    I am sorry that Amazon Books deleted my reviews and comments.They did this not to protect jews but to protect the N.W.O..Most of reviews and comments removed were on N.W.O not jews.Further I gave references and information not known of in schools these days.Of course as it was truth and incrimination it was removed.

    I am not a racist.I do not dislike jews.I am not Hitler.I do hate people who hate mindkind and are going to destroy the world and its people.

    Walter E, Haas Amazon Book Reviews at search google.com type in my name.God Bless Ameria.

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | May 8, 2009

  59. I forgot to mention I removed 8 reviews because the comments or words in reviews had been edited not by me.Comments that were left were intended to try to make me look inferior.They were out of context.Amazon Book reps who did this have exposed themselves.What motive posessed them to delete permamark statements.Amazon is a Book company.Yahoo also removed Germany Discussion group statements I made.Since reviews and comments had been on line for long period.What is justification.It was implied I am Hitler.You be the judge.

    There are those at Amazon and google.com that have assisted me.Google has allowed comments for The Founding Myths of Modern Israel in abstaract to remain under comments with this review.In comments for this review I give basic outline of how the world really works.

    99 percent of information in my comments has been deleted.I feel this was a lost for students and others who were interested in another point of view.What happen to Freedom of Speech.

    Walter E. Haas reviews at search google.com.Type in my name.God Bless America.

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | May 8, 2009

  60. Please be advise that the comments that were removed from my reviews were removed because they were so effective in effecting the mind.This was managed by giving examples in American and world history.In the book Tragedy&Hope in review and comments I explained how the ruling classes have and rule now.Julius Ceasar,Augustus are mentioned.August took power over the senate.The assassins were all killed.The ruling classes enslaved and sold their people.They tax them to death and bonded then to the land.They kill them in war.The created corporate slave farming.The export the wealth for luxury items.

    James Cook the English explorer was probably killed at Kona Hawaii by the English.Christian of the ship Bounty got back to England via Portugal.There is movement in Hawaii today to become independent of U.S..The queen of Hawaii was overthrown by business interest with U.S military assistence.The U.S. President cound not make these criminal give back power to the queen of Hawaii.Christain Missionary took power and land from the people of Hawaii.

    The indians of California were wipeout by europeans taking their land.This was the practice at the time and before to conquer America.

    General Custer was probably set up to be killed by Grant and the Dept.of Indian Affairs.General Patton was killed for political reasons.There is new book title Target which states this cause.Pearl Harbor attack was allow to happen by U.S. government officials.The Spanish American war was set up to provoke war.The U.S. probably blew up the ship USS Maine.War 1 USS Lusitania did have munition on it.War I,11 U.S. England violated nutraility act.Korean war 16,ooo troops were going to stop the Chines,Russian and north Koreans.Viet Nam Gulf of Tokin did not happen.Gulf war 1 was result Of Iraq believing U.S. would not oppose their actions as they understood from U.S. Embassy.Iraq no WMD.Bush and administration lied.

    Spanish in New World enslave the Indians then use africans as slaves.The african tribes sold other tribes to the whites.In colonal Indian wars same methods were used.One tribe sided with europens to defeat another tribe.Columbus use this method.First conquer then use the to conquer other tribe then kill those who had assisted him that were left.This strategy is use all over the world today.Nations playing all sides to defeat and take resources and power.

    Religion has been use as weapon.Democracy has also.We know this as we see the condition of third world today.We also see what America has become.Is it on verge of police state.

    If what I have said is true then one should realize that man is cabable of anything and that the N.W.O. or other fascist institution is possible.If we understand that what is said is not what is done we should realize our supreme court,senate,congress are corrupt to the core.

    The lack of enforcement of U.S. Constitution proves my statement correct.The FED is Unconstitutional.Immigration law is not enforced.The U.S borders are open for corporate profit not the security of the American people.

    Who is the terroist.Swine flu is from Mexico.Drugs,dirty drug money may be financing U.S. and world banks.

    It has been stated that the banking lobby owns the U.S. senate.The FED a central bank and the corporate control America.Ron Paul among others has stated this lately.

    In closing this is why my reviews and comments were removed.They threaten the N.W.O..The jews were use as decoy.

    There was much more information and references that were removed.Fear of the truth.The truth will set you free.

    Walter E. Haas Reviews and comments at search google.com.Just type in my name.

    God Bless America.

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | May 13, 2009

  61. The whole point put forth in this article indicates a complete lack of understanding as to what a Jew is. From their inception on Mount Sinai,the Jewish people have always consisted of a diverse spectrum of races. The commonality of religious belief is what binds all Jews together, regardless of their race. As the centuries have progressed, the races that have been added to the Jewish people covers practically all the races on earth. A little honest research will bear this outto anyone wanting an honest answer.

    Comment by eli | May 25, 2009

  62. Let me guess, blogger # 61 is an Ashkenazi Jew. As for you making the statement about the Jews inception being on Mt. Sinai, that is a totally false statement. The word ‘Jew’ was invented as an abbreviation for the name ‘Judah’, who was one of Jacob’s 12 sons, who was the patriarch of the largest of the 12 tribes. In fact their number nearly equalled the combined population of the other 11 tribes put together, so that the whole Hebrew culture became known as ‘Jews.’

    The Hebrews were the recipients of the promises, past and future. The Ashkenazi Jews are imposters who will inherit nothing but grief. Look at what Jesus had to say about them in Rev. 2:9 and 3:9. I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes.

    As for Jews covering all races as you said, what total bullshit. People like you will stoop to the lowest level in order to prove your point, which amounts to pipe dream, as any honest research will reveal.

    Comment by DumbGoyNot | May 25, 2009

    • This is such a load of crap.
      You are a racist, pure and simple.
      You can’t wait to grab a baseball bat and murder your jewish neighbours.
      You know who was real, and more mind-controlling of the masses than any NWO?
      Hitler.
      You speak of honest research… read any real books lately?

      Comment by jordan pearson | June 12, 2010

  63. Fascinating history. I find it particularly interesting for its inclusion of western Asia as an important influence on eastern Europe, which has always been understated I think.

    However, Ashkenazi Jews are not inherently evil, nor are they flawed in any more sense than any other people. Jews are just people.

    Comment by White Raven | May 25, 2009

  64. Jews, Hebrews, are not a race.

    Consider that Abram came from Samaria, and was a member of its elite class, who were not Semitic.

    To begin with, the people who emigrated to Samaria and founded its high culture were from the east, and excavations of the Sumerian upper class show they were part Caucasian and part Australoid. They were the remnants of the cataclysmic disintegration of an earlier civilization in the east, itself, from a non-genetically homogeneous population.

    Then as the Arabian peninsula became a desert, Semitic peoples moving eastward became a part of Samaria and became the bulk of the later Assyrians, Babylonians, although they were not the majority ethnic group originally. And the Sumerian elite classes resisted assimilation with the Semites.

    Abram was a military leader, a Sumerian nobleman sent with a contingent of forces from Sumerian to Canaan; some of his contingent were from his extended family, some were not his family at all, some of them similar in their family genetic basis, and some not. Of course in this age, a military contingent traveled with its extended family as well as their animals, everything they needed for a long term mission.

    Abram was sent to carry out the will of the Sumerian kings who sent him, which was to guard certain resources they controlled in the Sinai and in Lebanon and Canaan and ultimately to take control of the Canaanite area.

    Abram got involved in some minor skirmishes, and then, since he did not have a large enough contingent to take Canaan, he went to Egypt where in lower Egypt the Sumerian rulers had the greatest influence, Abram’s contingent stayed in order to grow their numbers over time, in order to eventually fulfill their mission. Understand that this was a long term multi-generational plan

    In Egypt, a deliberate well planned program was started to keep the body of people together and a series of myths were created to give them an unique and cohesive identity, and to help them ultimately in their eventual long range plan to take over that region of the middle east. Abram became Abraham, Sari became Sarah, etc. In the larger scheme this was the deliberate creation of the notion of a Jewish, or Hebrew people, but it was genetically a mixture of different peoples. In fact, Hebrew was originally the esoteric language of the Egyptian priests.

    And over this time while in Egypt, Abram’s contingent of people were joined by both Egyptians and by Semitic peoples from the area, and the mix of people, the mix of racial histories in this contingent grew even more diverse as they coalesced culturally.

    Ultimately, this contingent of a socially cohesive, genetically diverse body of people moved into Canaan (from Egypt) to take it by military force, as was the mission and intention from the beginning, a plan set in motion by Sumerian rulers.

    Now where are we today?

    Modern genetic testing shows that the people who identify as Jewish, have a very diverse genome, although they do have haplotypes which parallel common sets of genetic makers of other middle eastern peoples, and Ashkenazim have these genetic profiles as do Sephardic Jews in statistically equal measure. Jews, typically have a greater diversity of haplotypes than neighboring communities in either Europe or in the middle east.

    So the idea that an individual cannot really be Jewish, because they are not Semitic, which is at the root of this article saying most Ashkenazim Jews are not Semitic, is simply one misunderstanding heaped on another.

    And think about why this internet myth has such great appeal to people who have a grievance against Jews, the myth says since most Jews, are Ashkenazim and (as they mistakenly believe) are not Semitic in origin, they therefore have no claim on the ‘holy-land’.

    And typically heaped on this rubbish will be the claim that the Khazars were a war like people, so therefore the argument goes, Ashkenazim are a war-like people.

    So the central theme of this internet myth is essentially racist; a racist view about what sort of people Khazars are believed to be. And if you look into the history of the people of this area of the world as well, you will find that it is also anything but homogeneous genetically, and there were a number of communities within it that were settled by earlier dispersals of people who formed the earliest nations of Israel.

    It’s all pure bunk from start to finish, both sides of this argument as you will encounter on the internet so commonly are wrong and are based on incomplete understandings of history.

    Millions of people now have an identity organized around the forgotten purposes of other peoples, now also long past from history, and other millions oppose them, acting equally out of ignorance and prejudice.

    Comment by Valbundi | May 25, 2009

    • excellent post…best on here

      Comment by bill | August 13, 2009

    • Interesting…. I think you miss something pretty obvious though: These people are attracted to the ‘fake-jew’ theories because it allows them to say: “I don’t hate Jews. I just hate fake jews.” No matter what people want to call the Jews, if you hate them, you’re still little Nazis. And for God’s sake, these Khazar theories are so shakily put together! I’m guessing that nearly anyone who falls for this loosely-assembled collection of internet conspiracies is either 1) a massive stoner, or 2) a paranoid schizophrenic. Or a Nazi, of course.

      Comment by jordan pearson | June 12, 2010

      • I agree entirely with your comments.

        The flies drawn to this racist Khazar sh*t are nothing more than ignoramuses and modern day NAZIs.

        Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

  65. To All

    THE ANSWER IS TO TAKE BACK OUR SOVEREIGNTY!!!

    They control us via the “Law of the Sea” (IT’S A SCAM)

    ……………………………..
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    Watch “Chapter 3” first because it shows how the SCAM works

    Here’s a Google Link to the Full Video:

    I believe the info in this video represents the foundation of a lawful rebellion against the NWO and in our consciousness regarding our true nature and the beginning of a return to our “Free & Sovereign” selves

    This stuff is dynamite…. I kid you not!!!

    Finally, you have a clear insight into their “Engine of Enslavement”

    Comment by Doggy Boy | May 25, 2009

  66. I was married to and best friends (so I thought) with what I understand now after great betrayal, terror and education about who they are and what they stand to do Illuminati khazar lawyers here in phoenix, Arizona. I have no doubt that they are behind global drug trade and 9/11. They are plotters and tieves and they use the pyramid of freemasonry to manipulate mankind. They infiltrate religions and even start cults solely to manipulate the world and feed spiritually off of the fear an reactions that they create. This, they are occultists who are very darwinistic in theory and coldblooded liars, this the secretiveness. And, yes, they are absolutely 100% satanic. They control the Mormons, Hollywood, music industry, media, communications… 90% of the world’s wealth. Why? Because they follow the Zionist protocols which are entirely Antichrist. They are master receivers and love to mock the “inferior” Gentiles with putting their who ing their symbolism and numerology in our faces when we have no idea what these things mean until we care enough to search end study. I worked in politics. The elections are a predtermined horse and pony show. These satanic criminals are thieves. It is easy to win when you have no conscience- I mean smiling while lying, knowing damn well that you do not have a person’s best intersts at heart. Only good nonsuspecting souls find this unimaginable. They control CIA. FBI. CFR. Trilateral commision, UN. Why? Because they are plotters, manipulatirs, murders. The true enemy of mankind. They created the holocaust! Illuminati notables are bush and Rockefeller families. Notably, roths hold. They are deliberately stealing identity of the Jews they wiped out in Germany so that they can take over the entire world… World banking system. They went to microchip us with the mark of the beast! People, wakeup!

    Comment by Kim panelli | July 5, 2009

    • Kim,
      What are you prepared to do, to fight back, against the Synagogue of Satan? Are you willing to lay down your life, for Yaweh, the God of Abraham, and creator of the universe? I am willing to give my life, for the sake of the world. I should hope that it will not come to that, but I would gladly die, in order to save the world. The Khazars are the creation of evil, but remember, in Isaih: 45: 5-7, Yahweh said, “I created the good, and the evil, and it is up to you, to know the difference, and choose righteousness.” What do you choose, Kim? Nobody else can choose for you, and nobody else can choose for me, nor anyone else. The time is nigh, when all must choose, but most will make the expedient choice, not the best moral and most logical choice. That will be their destruction. The Khazars rule the world, in the name of Lucifer, and most people will not choose to leave their comfort zone, which is the bedrock of Luciferianism.

      Comment by Ron | December 29, 2009

    • kim you might be the craziest the craziest bitch I have ever heard of. Are you sure you are not a paranoid schizophrenic, possibly schizophrenic exhortionist. This is some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever heard.
      I am asking you in behalf of the world, to seek immediate medical attention, with massive doses of bipolar medication.
      Please let us know how it goes,
      Love
      The world

      Comment by fred duhas | January 28, 2010

    • This is so clearly insane. Put the bongs away dudes. Your sentence structure reads like a diseased mind all by itself! And then the stuff you’re actually writing about… you are a bad cliche. You want truth? Read a book. And i mean a real book. How excited you guys get when you find something that backs up your theories in a real book!
      But you don’t want to read a real book, cause then you’ll be brainwashed like everybody else, right? That’s convenient. So much for scholarship.
      You don’t want to kill Jews, just khazar/illuminati. Why continue the pretense? Everyone knows Khazar/Illuminati is the new codeword racists use when they don’t want to be exposed as haters straight away. But it’s all the same thing. Haters trying to find someone to blame. Get some fresh air, get a job.

      Comment by jordan pearson | June 12, 2010

    • Yes, Kim the Jews are the perpetrators of every bit of evil that occurs in the world.

      They control everything and everybody, they are controlling your ‘mind’ right now.

      So don’t forget to take your meds, and put your aluminum foil nightcap back on before you go to sleep.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

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  68. The Khazars are The Synagogue of Satan referenced in Revelations: 2:9; and 3: 9-10. They must be stopped, at all costs. If not, we will all be destroyed. The Beast of 666 fame, is a Khazar. Now run and tell that!!!!

    Comment by Ron | July 23, 2009

  69. The Khazars are the synagogue of satan, as referenced in Revelations: 2:9; 3:9-10. The time is nigh for their exposure as a fraud, and their ultimate destruction. Satan will be destroyed, along with his servants, the Khazars. Yaweh will have his revenge!!

    Comment by Ron | August 6, 2009

    • My suggestion is to accept the fact that God decides what he will do with mankind, and not religious nut jobs like this Ron character.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

  70. i’m khazar

    Comment by Caucas | August 8, 2009

  71. There seems to be confusion regarding being racist and being objective.In my comments for Socio-Economic History blog Back Type if you type in my name you will get list of most of titles I have commented on.Read complete article to get all comments made with article.If one makes comment on 13th,then one on 14th the last comments will appear for that date 14th.By reading article complete you should under comments be able to read all of them.Out of context statements can lead to confusion in implication.Read article complete with comments.

    In my last comments for article Will Israel Attack Iran I stated the facts As I know them.I give reference to some of sources used to draw conclusions.Of course personal knowledge and experience influenced my judgment also.

    The article Khazar Empire,Illuminati,and New world Order stands are falls on its own.Either it is fact or it is not,or it is both.Research.Turkey is number one trading partner with Israel and let’s Israel use its air space for military exercises?Khazar connection.Turkey was allied with the Germans also?

    Jews and gentiles are responsible for the state of affairs world wide.Bush and many others in his administration were not Jews.Bush family record tells allot.Rothschilds are riches family in the world.Joan Veon topic Who Controls The World and Its Assets at search Google.com is informing.Also the article The Satanic Bankers which I commented on is interesting at Back Type.Most Jews could be puppets for elite and used as bate.Divide and conquer

    The Jews are a separate people in Israel.They are racist in Israel.Jews world wide support Israel through their lobbies.AIPAC and others in U.S.have to much influence in the U.S. government and private sector if they support Israel more than America.Israel receives 15 billion from U.S. tax payers yearly.

    Iran is threat to Israel as to who will be major power in middle east.Conflict of who will control oil is between America and it allies and Russia and its allies.Israel is used as buffer as Iran and North Korea are.

    The gentiles have used the Jews money and as result they are partners.I am referring to the corporate and business sector,and this includes all nations.A select few of Jews are world specialist in finance.Rothschild member stated who controls the money controls the nation.In others comments I have explained how the gentiles and Jews elite work together.The richest families in the world control the world.Kings,Queen,etc.Lord Rothschild of England is one of founders of Israel.He is also Shareholder of FED with highest percentage of shares.Research rinse.com..Please keep Rockefeller in mind and the Kings,Queens,etc.Who owns Royal Dutch Shell Oil.A few elite control most of the world.

    The rich gentile families that have always controlled America with the new money group want to retain business as usual and status quo.Bloomberg News had discussion group in which a vote was made as to whether to regulate or continue free trade,etc.75 percent were for business as usual.
    Depression has had no effect on these voters.Of course consider their interest.This indicate the entrenchment of the haves.

    Who controls in America.The international bankers,Pentagon,
    corporates and private business sector.The secret government
    is in these groups.A few people control the majority of assets of the world.America is bought by foreign nations through investment.China may own America in the future.This may be the intent of international bankers and their investors.In my opinion this is the intent.Will the Pentagon and defense industry with the U.S. military declare war on the American people with the assistance of the police agencies???Japan military was used to keep order after they were conquered in Philipines,etc.?Please research.

    The Jewish question is simple.They are a separate people.They are a minority who chose to be separate but equal.Israel is above international law with the support of the majority of Jews world wide.Israel is racist nation.To say this is not racist.The truth is the truth.Jews calling gentile racist is a joke.They have convince the gentiles they are racist.The Talmud says who the racist are.It is the Jews.Not all Jews are racist.What percent are not?Not all gentiles are racist.What percent are.

    War is for assets and power.Oil is what the wars are about and what culture will rule.Clash of Civilization is capitalism versus other cultures.Further established nations are threaten by other culture.

    Example Russia and Israel are partners in business in arms trade and oil pipeline.They both are threatened by a faction of Islam.Russia is friend of Syria and Iran and Israel for business and security reasons.

    Oil and resources and control of territory is cause of war.War Is A Racket in book by Gen.Butler.Population reduction also.

    Economics rules the world.Military power enforces might is right.Only fools lay down their arms.Man is a beast. Thomas Hobbes said.

    Who controls America.Pentagon,CIA,International bankers,
    corporates,private business sector.Who controls these institutions.Those who control the majority of Shares.A few super rich control the corporate and private business sector.Is this understood by most.No not really.The secret government is untouchable, unknowable and international.

    Russia will not surrender Iran to Israel.It also wants to control oil power,etc.If you research all nations in war you will find somebody wants resources and oil pipelines to flow,etc.Look at the picture today.

    Michael Moore new movie capitalism explains what capitalist are about.This includes the private business sector.

    The FED and the business sector must be regulated.The FED must be nationalized and be a section of the U.S. government.The business sector must be regulated.

    How can this be done.No lobbies.No private campaign funding.
    Vote out this government.No special interest in government.
    Japan took action against status quo lately.Regulated free trade.Unions for all workers.No more immigrants until full employment for U.S. citizens.Deport illegal immigrants.Free education for all with ability.Nationalized medical.No globalization.It is destroying the world and its people.Control population by humane means.

    Iran war will cause WW111.Bunkers for elite.You will be in the cold.Israel alone cannot defeat Iran.The Sar of France is Jewish.M is east German?Brown-Cecil Rhodes-Rothschild.It goes on and on.The end is near.The big surprise coming soon.
    Character Cannot change.All is determine.It cannot be other than it is.Earth is hell and you are paying your due.
    Author Schopenhauer who was great philosopher said these things in his way.Prove him wrong.He was a genius are you.

    IF YOU CANNOT SEE YOUR BLIND.

    Walter E. Haas God Bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | September 28, 2009

  72. what is this article about UH Jews taking over the world conspiracy theory. Please give me a break, When the Khasari King converted to Judaism and the rest of the population follows they are as any other Jew. Judaism is a religion and a way of life. You do not have to be Jew to be christian do you. Well who cares if the Ashkenazi Jews are not sematic racially. They are Jewish now and their religion belief in the state of Israel and thats were they belong. Dont forget that everybody came out of Africa there is not pure blood. And TODAYS PALESTINIAN DO NOT BELONG IN PALESTINE EITHER BECAUSE THEY ARE ARABS BELONGING IN ARABIA. THE TRUE PALESTINIAN FROM GAZA ARE THE DESENDANT OF THE PHILLISTINE WHICH LITERALLY MEANS PEOPLE OF THE SEA, THE ORIGINAL GAZANS OR PHILLISTINES CAME FROM CRETE. So if you are trying to insunate the Jews do not belong in Israel because they are really turkic stock you are making a mistake. How about my ancesters Serphadic Ladino Jews we consider ourselves Spanish Jews with ancestors coming directly from Israel to north africa to spain to the americas. In the Jewish religion if your mother is Jewish and your father is Christian the kid is consider Jew.

    Comment by tony | September 29, 2009

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  74. Have you seen Empire of the City?

    Comment by LearnMore | October 14, 2009

  75. I find it interesting that there is such misunderstanding in What people say and how other try to twist it.The Jews are the chosen of God.They are superior.God gave them the promise land.The Talmud states gentiles are animals.If the mother is gentile the child is not consider Jewish unless they convert to the Jewish faith.The mother has to be Jew for offspring to be true Jew.Further orthodox Jews do not believe in intermarriage.Twist it as you may the reality I have stated is the general rule.Jews are racist in Israel and if they believe in the Talmud their racist regardless of where they live.Yes there are exceptions in a minority.I only have a problem of being considered inferior as a gentile.I do not like racist Jews calling me a racist and Hitler because Israel behaves as Hitler did and it maintains many of same policies as the Nazi regime did.
    The conduct of Israel in Palistine and Lebanon leaves no room for debate.That is why The reps for Israel said they would change the reality in Gaza.Goldstone Report.

    I understand Jews and their persecution complex,but they must understand that it has been proven Jews use holocaust to oppress gentiles and to control them.This is world wide.
    Since the Jews came to Palestine they have committed criminal acts against the people of Palestine.The Jews commit Holocaust,genocide,and lie and control news media to brainwash the gentiles of the world.This is not going to work anymore because Israel has convicted itself and it has also convicted the gentiles that cover up these atrocities.
    The Jews take care of their own.Gentiles that sellout their own kind are filth.They are the scum of the earth.

    I do not believe all Jews are racist as all gentiles are not racist.How dare people call others racist and say feel sorry for me so I can exploit you because I am a minority,and for me to have power I have to degrade you and lie about my history and yours to accomplish my goal.

    Revision history give different facts about the Holocaust.
    Fable is not going to work anymore.The Jew lobbies world wide support a racist state.Then they call people who criticize Israel racist and Hitler.The Jews are the racist like Hitler.Jews are Hitler lovers.How do you like the reverse thrown at you.Hate crimes.Stop gentiles from knowing the truth about Israel and Talmud and the hate of many Jews for gentile that pretend otherwise.Do you really believe that you can fool all the people.Your fear of persecution is generated by your fear and defense of it.Your history world wide is persecution because You desire to follow your beliefs which is your right and responsibility.Racist and the superior are resented by the majority as you well know.Author Schopenhauer had discussion about the Jews in which he said if they gave up their fixation of belief they would be successful.He did not hate Jews.Religion is a form of brainwashing.If I continuously program my mind I will act out that program.
    Now I do not mean this is destructive as to progress in the world these days you have to be programe your mind to survive.The question is what is the program.Positive or negative.Results are the answer.J.C. and Buddha have proven that their ethics are valid,but animals can’t comply with them very well.We are apes.You have hair.You are controlled by your passions that are partially the result of environment.Your culture programs you.Israel is a criminal nation,so the people of Israel must be criminals as they are in U.S.for supporting criminal nations.This is logical reasoning.Now you can be criminal without knowing it.The law allows for this.If you knowingly commit crimes then by law you must be punished for them.If you support others who commit criminal acts you are a criminal.

    God cannot be proven to exist.Super natural phenomena is that which we don’t understand.Mind is everything,without mind there in nothing.A relative statement.Facts indicate God cannot exist as is taught because Israel,U.S.,England,Germany have and do commit acts that no just God would permit.The suffering of mankind indicates hell on earth.The love of war and oppression and class struggle resulting in fascist NWO.That is probably why some of elite worshiped Satan ,or evil for evil rules the world.Nature takes a long time to right a wrong.This is what the elite count on.

    The Ten Comments and the Eight Fold Path of Buddha are valid without a thinking God as these rules conform with right living for the animal call man.Animals that are beast can’t understand this and continue to be beast and not understand they are their own worst enemy.Of course might is right and war is forever with the profit that goes with it.Since you can’t be other than you are,but are compelled to think your free what will be will be.How can you be free in a world of pain and desire that for every one satisfied 10 take its place.You always want more,and you want what belongs to others.You say your good but what have you done for your brother lately.America what brotherhood.War to create hell is better than development of our nation and the moral security of its people.Hollywood perverts is what is sold as the normal way of life with violent overtones and consumption and brainwashing for the elite to keep power.

    In closing the Jews who are not racist and don’t hate gentiles and want to make Israel right are not accused.The problem who knows which are truly which.I am serious when I say this.I am sorry for those not involved in the conspiracy.

    I am going to name a few sources that say much worst than I do about criminal Jews.We Know the gentiles are criminals and we don’t deny it ,or say we are superior I hope.Of course gentile some of them think like Zionist.

    4rie.com,rense.com,Jew Watch.com,Names Henry Makow,Michael Hoffman,David Icke.com,Mason connection Ralph Epperson.
    com.Satanic Central Banksters this blog by me and all my comments explain my position regarding Jews.Talmud Research rense.com,Jew Watch.com,4rie.com.The Jews must prove that all these people are racist and liars and Hitler and that what they say is untrue.They must prove that they the Jews are not racist and Israel did not try to change reality in Gaza on TV and that Goldstone a Jew from Racist south Africa is a racist hater of Jews,and he lives in Israel???

    Racist Jews and war criminals the game is up.No one believes anything you say.America is in state of chaos as result of criminal minds in the U.S. government and private sector.

    Let The Gentiles and Jews prove with evidence not hearsay and false testimony that The Founding Myths of Modern Israel By Roger Garaudy is false.Let the Jews explain why they have tried to suppressed this book world wide.Why the gentiles support this cover up.The answer their is no innocents.Anthony Sutton and Norm Dodd at You Tube interviews tell how the elite play the game.The Order-Skull&Bones,FED,Hitler,Zionist connection.The nations would all go to jail if the truth be known.Trash in trash out.The New Jerusalem-Zionist Power in America By Michael Collins Piper.The Dare To Speak Out By Paul Findley.You can distort facts,but that does not make them true.

    Stop selling trash in the schools and universities.Is it TREASON.Stop destroying American culture,Stop immigration,free trade,globalization for NWO.

    Walter E. Haas God Bless America.

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | October 28, 2009

  76. To understand the jews you must understand their history.In comment 75 I have made effort to do so.Comments 50,58,59,60,71,75.There is no reason to conceal the truth unless you have something to hide.Let the truth be known to serve justice regardless of where it lays down an iron fist.

    Gentiles know the laws of the Bush and the Chain,the rum Felt,The Pearl,the Kissinger,Tenet,Tennet CIA,Powell,WB,CFR,TLC,Masons,Bilderbergs,Skull&Bones,FED,etc.

    We might as well know the hold sordid story,and confess to our own misdeeds,so we can start to commit them all over.Isn’t that what life is about.

    Walter E. Haas God bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | October 30, 2009

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  78. Israel won’t let up and why should it with the U.S. tax payer paying.Thank MIC and corporations including the FED for our depression.30 percent unemployment in future and no hope for the under educated as the jobs have been outsourced.This is what the elite are not talking about.The banks in England on same track with big bonus package as in America.They won’t be regulated because they run the world show,and the can run to Asia when north America goes in the pit.

    Israel is at it again in Gaza.The only settlement will be doomsday.That has always been the case.Why talk.Start dealing with the meat of the matter.

    Walter E. Haas God Bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | November 11, 2009

  79. Read The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, which exactly mirror the Twenty-five Principles of Mayer Amschel Rothschild, written more than 200 years ago. Then, look across the pages of history. Research history, if you do not know world history. It all fits like a glove. It was Khazars, who invented communism. Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Marx, just to name a few, were all Jews. The leaders of the gay movement in the US are all Jews/Khazars. Khazars built the pornography business in this country, and are the chief distriutors of it. It was Khazars, who killed Lincoln, JFK, Garfield, and McKinley, and three other presidents, who were poisoned, rather than shot, all because they wanted to prevent/eradicate control of the US money supply by the House of Rothschild. By the way, the British are the descendants of Druids, with no genetic linkage to the ancient Israelites, the seed of Abraham.

    Comment by Ron | November 16, 2009

    • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

      The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      The Protocols of the (Learned) Elders of Zion (Russian: “Протоколы сионских мудрецов” or “Сионские протоколы”) is one of many titles given to an antisemitic text purporting to describe a plan to achieve global domination by the Jewish people. Following its first public publication in 1903 in the Russian Empire, a series of articles printed in The Times in 1921 revealed that much of the material was directly plagiarized from earlier works of political satire unrelated to Jews. [1]

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

  80. Deuteronomy 28:41: “Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
    45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedest not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee.
    64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from one end of the earth even unto the other; and there shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy faters have known, even wood and stone.
    68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way wherefo I spake unto thee, Thou shall see it nor more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bndwomen, and no man shall buy you.”
    That description fits only one group of people, in the entire history of the world, and that people were the ones sold into slavery, by Muslims, to the Khazars (fake Jews, who owned the British West Indies Company), who brought them to the New World, and made billions of dollars, in human trafficking, and billions more, for their unpaid labor. Read them, and weep!!

    Comment by ronaldlee | November 17, 2009

  81. Please, all who care about the future of our world, go to Google blogs, see The Millenial Peace Foundation Blog, so that we can rescue the United States from the control of The House of Rothschild, and its infamous Federal Reserve Banking System. Obama is a tool of the House of Rothschild, and that same entity will kill him. He thinks they like him, perhaps love him, when all along, they intended to kill him, in order to provoke a race war, but, I hope and pray that the minority communities that voted for him, out of frustration and pride, will not waste their blood and energy on him, because he never cared about their concerns. He always thought himself to be different, and better than them, despite his marriage to Michelle. He used her, too. Real prince, huh? It is time for America, to be free of the influence of The House of Rothschild, who brought slavery to America, and has maintained it for over two centuries, across racial/ethnic lines, through divide and conquer. This is our chance, perhaps our last chance!!

    Comment by RonaldLee | November 20, 2009

  82. Please, to all the concerned citizens of the world, who care about the future of this planet, go to http://www.iamthewitness.com, and read’em and weep. We are doomed, because the Khazars have achieved the fait a compli, with respect to global dominion and universal enslavement. It was not a briliant plan, but it was comprehensive, through the power of gold, and the psychological attachment humans have for it. Yahweh’s speed, to all of you, I will see you on the other side of Armageddon.

    Comment by RonaldLee | December 2, 2009

  83. Khazar’s,jews,gentiles who commit treason are all the same.
    The Fed shareholders that are dominant controllers of Fed are
    jews.The 300 shareholders of FED are jew,gentile,and mixed gentile and jew.It is made up of the richest and most powerful families in the world.One could call this the secret world government.Old American gentile familes have shares in FED.

    The jews have been persecuted world wide over competition and their ideology of their faith.The Talmud is the problem.Michael Hoffman has research the Talmud.It states gentiles are animals.

    When we see the actions of Israel in Gaza and Lebanon we know how they think.

    The jews were not wanted in America by some of the founding fathers.By 1900 in America there were a vast amount of Germans and Irish in the country.The jews coming to America were isolated and were discriminated against as other minorities were except the history of the jews excluded them permanently.The jews in some cases changed their names and faith to infiltrate the gentile system.As the philosopher Schopenhauer said they really had not change their faith,and other jews knew it.The Talmud.You can lie to a gentiles they are animals.Competition is cause of problem and ideology of the jews. Spanish,Russian history are examples,etc

    The proof of threat to gentiles by jews is proven by the Book The new Jerusalem-Zionist Power In America by Michael Collins Piper.The Dare To Speak Out book by Paul Findley.
    The Founding Myths of Modern Israel by Roger Garaudy.The control of Hollywood,media,publishing,government officials,
    corporate control through dominant shares in companies.50 percent of richest people in America are jews.Highest incomes jews.Two and one half percent of population U.S.?
    Influence in U.S. government.How much tax payer money goes to Israel annually?How many jew on supreme court and in senate and congress.What is the history of the jews?Jew Watch.com,Rense.com,David Icke.com Henry Makow.Rense. com.4rie.com.Is every one lying and are racist anti jew.Are they Hitler and stupid fools.Stupid gentile animals.Jews say why are we persecuted then they recreate history to their ends.Israel must be Jewish nation according to leadership of Israel.A racist statement.Israel has same policies as Hitler did in many cases.Foundations control the universities and public education.Jews know their history but have with their elite gentiles friends destroy American history and civics and nationalism.

    Who in the hell is kidding who.The Fed is illegal.The Reece committee investigation exposed the international bankers plot which was to blend America with the Soviet Union and to destroy American history to create the NWO.Anthony Sutton exposed Skull&Bones who members control the U.S with CFR and Trilateral Commission,State Department had to be controlled was part of Norm Dodd research.Representative Dodd today is a relative of Norman Dodd.

    War Is A Racket by Gen.Butler was about a true conspiracy by the fascist in America to overthrow the U.S. Constitution with evidence.J>P Morgan Bank,etc is mentioned?A shareholder of FED?

    The Mc Carthy Hearings in 1954 were about communist and fascist in U.S. government including the military.Mc Carthy was right, but was destroyed.Evidence in revision history supports his findings.Many people were destroyed in this investigation.Hollywood sector was prominent in attention.
    The enemy is within,so it was covered up.

    To make a point the bankers stated to Mr.Dodd they did not want America to return to its ideology prior WW1 and it was opposed to intervention in wars in Europe.America has very large German population.Charles Linbergh Jr. made famous speech on not entering WW11.His father made statement about the enslavement of the American people by FED.President Wilson said he has sold out the American people with the establishment of FED.

    Between 1945 and 1963 a few wars to indicate communist fascist infiltration of U.S..French loose Vietnam because U.S. would not supply air support,etc.Korea,Russia,China,
    NATO conflict Korea 1950-53.Israel established 1948.Iran and canal Israel,US conflict.Iran Oil conflict?Vietnam rules of engagement not to win.Profit and prove to Russia we still had the guts to fight.Oil,Rubbers,defense industry,drugs, you name it for profit.JFK CONSPIRACY.

    Play all sides and supply all sides in war and creating them.Proof Anthony Sutton in his book about trading with the enemy by the western corporations.Lend least 5 year programs to Soviet Union.State Department and Mao,U.S. military connection?

    What does this have to do with jews.Money and credit controls the world.Dominant shares control corporations.Money and credit controls the business sector.
    Money and credit control governments.

    Rothschild member stated who controls the money controls the nation.The Fed is illegal A 1,S 8 U.S. Constitution.

    Joan Veon Who Controls The World And its Assets.Search Google.com.

    Norman Dodd was told by bankers that the American system had been fixed in way it could not be fixed.International shareholders of FED.Conflict of interest nationally.

    Zionist control finance,Jesuits Intelligence, and Knights Of Malta,Order Of St.John Military Order.Triangle FED,Vatican,Bank of England,world Bank,etc.

    Black Nobility,Black Pope.CFR,UN,TLC,Royal institute Of Foreign Affairs,etc.Club of Rome,Bilderbergs,Foundations,Kings,Queens,etc.

    Ticitus Roman Historian stated The culture of the Jews.
    Martin Luthur made comments about them as many have.

    Actions of Jews speak for themselves.They have to much power in the university,etc.Gentiles are not jews and most don’t want to be as jews.Jews don’t want to be gentile.

    Benjamin Freeman at You Tube in is speech against jews was a jew as many jews are who opposed the ideology of jews

    Jew Watch.com Articles and History of the Jews is good account of them.Jews try to put Jew Watch out of business.The Truth will set you FREE.

    All Jews are not racist gentile haters,or communist fascist internationalist.All Jews do not believe in the Talmud,or know what it says.All Jews know the conduct of Israel and most support Israel.

    Gentiles elite and gentiles for profit are not better that jew rascist,and they commit the same acts on gentiles.The conduct of the American and EU government is FASCIST INTERNATIONALIST IN MY OPINION.

    Jews and gentiles influence creates the policies of U.S.Both groups support the NWO ,TREASON and enslavement of the world in my opinion is their intent as facts prove in my opinion.Racist are gentile and jew.Biology says diversity is that racist.A reptile mix with human by manipulating DNA is would that be good.Jews support Racism in Israel and they are Gods chosen people.They must be right,so why call gentiles racist.Could it be to enslave them and demoralizes them and take power over them with their parasite gentile elite friends and other gentiles that profit from TREASON.

    Jews and gentiles are dupes for the elite to destroy each other.No wonder J.C is hated and Buddha because they tell the truth.Most jews and gentiles are fools and sheep,and are animals,so add jews to the list of animals and then it would be kosher.

    I am not Hitler,or racist,or jew hater,but with the Talmud and the conduct of some jews it creates apprehension when dealing with them generally.Many jews feel the say way about gentiles.Both are justified in their feelings.How many would be as honest, and state what I have?Jews have to much power and it is resented.Power corrupts.

    America is a gentile nation and of western European stock.No immigration policy should allow immigrant minorities to take power over America.As Israel wants only Jews for Israel.The elite NEW want to destroy the culture of the western European stock to take over America.Stupid fools think otherwise.Look around at the immigrants changing America for the worst.Not all of them .Enforce the laws of the U.S. Constitution.

    Reference: The Satanic Central Banksters’Momtery Enslavement System 3 Sept this Blog 28 comments by me ?Read all comments to wake up.

    Walter E. Haas God Bless America leodragon97@hotmail.com

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | December 4, 2009

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  85. The new world order is an evil mans fantasy and it means innocent people worldwide will suffer.

    Comment by Brian Hill | December 6, 2009

  86. Brian Hill 6 DEC 09.This is reply to your comment as it is not available for access.Khazar Empire,Illuminati and New World Order dated 24 Jan 09???Read my comments for this article as all views creates more knowledge of perception of issue.The title Khazar Empire is shown at socio-E H B when it is clicked it goes to your contact not to topic and list of comments this may change in a few minutes???What happen to general rule.Read Ron Paul topic and my comments also they may interest you.

    Walter E. Haas God Bless America leodragon97@hotmail.com

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | December 6, 2009

  87. Please read 50,58,59,60,71,75,83,86 and rebuke the statements.
    They are comments for this topic.Read all the comments and rebuke them.Then go to You Tube and type Leo Zagami the 2012 Armageddon.Then see and hear all topics Leo Zagami talks about.The funny thing is that what he says is true.2012 Armageddon is riddle,but is the truth.

    Why do people want to use my name,but not allow my comments.
    FEAR OF THE TRUTH.Profit.Why would one delete topics>

    Who controls world communication.Could that be the answer.

    Who should be rebuked the universities for sure.They are as phony as you can get.The students are brainwashed.Please unwash your brains with lots of sugar,fats and no exercise.Tv Is all the exercise you need with the internet.
    Who needs history,civics,and economic courses unless they are phony.What real choice do you have.Of course you are different thank God for that.

    Walter E. Haas God Bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | December 27, 2009

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  91. See Millenial Peace Foundation blog on Google. See how we can truly free America from the tentacles of the octopus “House of Rothschild,” which engulfs the entire planet, and foists so much misery on humanity, theoretically, in the name of “freedom and civilization.” What a cruel irony, when their goal is absolute tyrrany, and Luciferanism, aka Illuminism, despotism. Read “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.” Read them, and weep.

    Comment by Ron | January 30, 2010

  92. Ron I have written 9 pages of comments for topics at Socio-Economic History Blog-BackType.Now there is one page with 10 Topics and comments.I wrote comments for at least 40 topics in short period of time.Do you know why BackType would remove topics.It seems cover up,but maybe there is a legitimate explanation.Does anyone know?

    I have written new comments for The Satanic Central Banksters’Monetary Enslavement System 3 Sept 09 BackType.

    Khazar Empire,Illuminati and New World Order 24 Jan 09 I wrote many comments for which all can observed.If you type in my name at BackType you will notice this topic is not listed in 10 Topics with my comments.What happen to 40 t0 50 other?

    Would one cover up Topics,so they could not be used as example to enforce a point by additional examples.Would one try to conceal what I had actually said to infer I meant things which I had clarified if all topics were available.

    Why were topics and my comments removed.If all of other peoples comments have been removed then there is no conspiracy?Is there more than one involved if there is cover up conspiracy.Are all of your topics still available at BackType?

    Leo Zagami in the 2012 Armageddon seems to have allot of answers about the real masters and their puppets.

    It you type in search Google and my name on page 1 and 2 you can see Leo Zagami video and my comments.

    Ron, The Satanic Central Banksters’ with my 59 comments will explain to you how the Rothschild are the finance wing of the Crown.Gentile elite behave the same as the Zionist as they have same interest and that includes investments.The corporation are controlled by dominant shares,and the wealth of the world is own by the richest families.They are both gentile and jew.

    Bloomberg David Reilly: Secret Banking Cabal Emerges From
    AIG Shadows!30 Jan 2010 with my comments and The Satanic Central Banksters will let you know how the gentile and jews fit together.The elite and the puppets.

    Jew Watch.com History of the jews is valid,but one should realize that gentiles as Norman Dodd and Antony Sutton point out are not innocent. Jews and gentiles are together through bloodlines and power connections in elite circles.

    If jews control gentiles then gentiles are stupid because the gentiles are the majority.If money controls the world and Israel has nukes then gentiles are responsible because they supported the Zionist,or they are corrupt.If the jews control the world the gentiles are fools.

    The gentiles and jews are dupes for the elite.This does not remove the conflict between gentiles and jews which is historical and the result of competition and religious conviction.The jews are minority.They use any means to control the majority the gentiles.They have been persecuted as they persecute those of Palestine.They have used the holocaust for political and financial ends.Israel has committed war crimes and is violator of human rights and occupier of Palestine illegally.It has policies as Hitler did.

    America is has committed,and is committing war crimes as it is in illegal wars for profit,oil and dope and expansion of capitalism,imperialism for strategic control.America and its allies support Israel, so they are all criminals.A fact
    they are NWO.

    If my topics were not removed you would be able to read examples of how all goes together.The Satanic Central Banksters’ sums up the works.It is the devils work.
    Walter E. Haas at search Google.com says it all. If you look and search information.If you search information all avenues are open.P.S.Google.com is number one!

    Walter E. Haas God Bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | January 31, 2010

  93. The tittle is WRONG, the greatest common denominator to the Khazars, Illuminatis and NWO that we see today is ZIONISM.

    The document that Jack Otto speaks about is the ancestor of the Protocols of Zion. Of course Zionists say it’s a fake :)

    Jack Otto right from the start says he believes in God because Zionism is AGAINST GOD. Zionists are FALSE JEWS and the Bible says false Jews “form the synagogue of Satan” in Apocalypse 2:9 and 3:9.

    Israel flag blue stripes represent the Promised Land from “Nil to Euphrates” is thus OFFICIALLY AGAINST GOD ! Look at a map and understand why there is shit in Somalia, Yemen, Irak etc.

    False Jews Zionist bankers, medias and presidents have been creating wars for centuries… the next one will be the last… it started on 9/11 and will end in Hâr-Mageddon.

    I believe in God and talk about Him showing he exists by proving that Satan, as predicted, runs this planet until the last minute. I also speak about science.

    You can ask for faith, it’s free !
    I hope you do ask and get it !

    Michel alias 911allo on Youtube.

    Comment by Michel Lauzon alias 911allo | February 1, 2010

  94. http://www.barrychamish.com

    KOESTLER, KHAZAR, KAPUT
    by Barry Chamish

    Now, you’d think I had something more important to write about with Syria training Hizbullah in the Bekaa Valley on precision guided, long range missiles, with the Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak reacting by stopping the distribution of gas masks to his people and evacuating all training troops on the Golan Heights lest Syria think Israel is preparing to defend itself. A bad war is coming and I’m wasting your time and mine by writing about a medieval kingdom called Khazaria.
    A generation ago, correspondence between a Spanish rabbi and the King of Khazararia a thousand years ago led to a series of books about a Jewish state that stopped the Muslim armies from capturing Europe. In a burst of Jewish pride, the authors told of a central Asian royal court that converted to Judaism, defeated the Islamic armies and saved Europe, just to its west.
    But one book, The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler, took the thesis a step further and speculated that the fall of Khazaria in the 11th century led to a mass migration that created Ashkenazi, or European, Jewry. To Koestler’s delight, his speculation became a hit book in America.
    Just so we know, Koestler was a rather inconsistent thinker. He was at times a communist, an anti-communist, and ended his career as a New Age author. But one philosophy stuck with him; in the ’30s he moved to Israel and remained a Zionist all his life. He would twist in his grave if he saw how American anti-semites had twisted his ruminations. They view Koestler as a prophet of Jew-hatred and his book as belonging in the second tier of theocracy just behind the Bible.
    According to them, since the Jews are not God’s chosen people, instead are proto-Turks masquerading as Jews, we have no historical claim to Israel because we have no right to call ourselves Jews. Thus, only Sephardim are the real thing. What is planned for them in the future is never stated, but the Ashkenazim are fit for extermination, though only the most vicious of the lot openly say so. But the lines aren’t hard to read between.
    These anti-semites look for any excuse to attack Israel and her allies and sometimes the rationales are plainly absurd. They have no love for Arabs either but use Israel’s war on Gaza as the latest in a long line of useful whipping boys. Any excuse that’s handy will do. Never mind that the Arabs don’t buy into the Khazarian nonsense; they back them because they’re fighting Jews even if they are ignorant of Koestler’s holy truth.
    In the past, I have rarely mentioned the American far Right and its new Khazarian ideology. Here is a rare example from my book Save Israel:

    This caller insisted that 95% of Jews are actually not descended for Abraham but rather of a Medieval Turkish
    tribe called the Khazars.
    “Do you think,” I asked, “that if 95% of Jews were from Khazaria we would have forgotten that? Jews have long, exact memories and we know
    where we were. If it was in Khazaria we wouldn’t have forgotten it. And if we were Khazars, Yiddish would be a Turkish-based language, which it is
    not. I don’t think there are any Khazarian words in Yiddish. The Khazarian royal court did covert to Judaism, mostly for political reasons, but the
    Khazar people didn’t or we would have remembered it.”

    Back then, I didn’t think debunking Jew hatred was worth my energy. Today, I have an argument that should put the argument to rest forever, though I know a good hater never gives up. I know people who still think Russia is going to war against Israel next week. And there are those who think mankind has nothing to do with glaciers and ice sheets melting. In fact there are people who think ALL science is bunk, but especially genealogy.
    They may as well stop reading.
    To the rest of us: As for Khazarian nonsense, Google Jewish DNA. You will find that Sephardic and Ashkenazic Jews share the same DNA markers, Cohenim have the same DNA traits in all nations, and not a drop of Khazarian blood is found anywhere.

    Start with this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTJFziTzOeg

    Look at: http://www.ety.com/HRP/jewishstudies/ashkenazi.htm
    Researchers – Anna C Need, Dalia Kasperavi i t , Elizabeth T Cirulli and David B Goldstein

    These possibilities can be distinguished to a degree by comparing the position of the full Ashkenazi Jewish cluster to a series of geographically distributed populations represented by the human genome diversity panel [9]. We found that the full Jewish cluster fell between that of Middle Eastern and European populations. We also compared the average heterozygosity across the set of linkage disequilibrium-pruned polymorphisms in those with full Jewish ancestry to those without, and found that the subjects with four Jewish grandparents were, on average, slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry. These data therefore suggest that the Jewish group is distinguished from non-Jewish Europeans more because of their genetic heritage in the Near East than due to population bottlenecks perturbing the genetic composition of Jewish groups.
    Conclusion
    We show that, at least in the context of the studied sample, it is possible to predict full Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry with 100% sensitivity and 100% specificity, although it should be noted that the exact dividing line between a Jewish and non-Jewish cluster will vary across sample sets, which, in practice, would reduce the accuracy of the prediction. While the full historical demographic explanations for this distinction remain to be resolved, it is clear that the genomes of individuals with full Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry carry an unambiguous signature of their Jewish heritage, and this seems more likely to be due to their specific Middle Eastern ancestry than to inbreeding.

    Try this:
    Scientist Solves Jewish Genealogy Riddles –
    Dr. Karl Skorecki works on the cutting edge of molecular science, revolutionizing medicine through genetics and the use of stem cells to test anti-cancer therapies. As a sideline, he has become world famous for applying genetics to genealogy and transforming history. He has found evidence to support traditional claims that modern-day Jewish priests, Cohanim, are descended from a single common male ancestor – biblically said to be Aaron, the older brother of Moses. Skorecki’s test found an array of six common chromosomal markers in 97 of the 106 Cohens he tested. Calculations based on variations of the mutations rooted the men’s shared ancestry 3,300 years ago, or the approximate time of Exodus. He also discovered the common set of genetic markers in both Ashkenazi (European) and Sephardic (North African) Cohens, indicating they shared the same ancestry before their communities were separated more than 1,000 years ago.
    “It’s like an archeological finding. But instead of digging up in the sand, we dig in contemporary DNA,” Skorecki says.(National Post-Canada)

    Read: http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48937817.html

    ASHKENAZI LINKS

    Although the Ashkenazi (European) Jewish community separated from their Mediterranean ancestors some 1,200 years ago and lived among Central and Eastern European gentiles, their paternal gene pool still resembles that of other Jewish and Semitic groups originating in the Middle East.A low rate of intermarriage between Diaspora Jews and local gentiles was the key reason for this continuity. Since the Jews first settled in Europe more than 50 generations ago, the intermarriage rate was estimated to be only about 0.5% in each generation.
    The findings oppose the suggestion that Ashkenazim are descended from the Kuzars.
    The Ashkenazi paternal gene pool does not appear to be similar to that of present-day Turkish speakers. This finding opposes the suggestion that Ashkenazim are descended from the Kuzars, a Turkish-Asian empire that converted to Judaism en masse in or about the 8th century CE.

    You would think by now that Koestler and Khazaria are kaput. However…never underestimate raw hate!

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    Comment by dudu p. | February 15, 2010

  95. Khasar Empire.I agree you can’t judge a book by its cover,but generally one judges by impression.When two have baby,and they are of different races there is a distinctive look about offspring indicating a connection to both nations in their looks.Now this is not all ways the case.Obama is half black and half other.We know this by his appearance.Certainly he would agree,so racist don’t infer that name as,so many racist call others one.

    Many people of Israel are mixed as is obvious by their looks.Jews do not have blue eyes and blond hair if they are original home grown variety.Genetics don’t lie.What about black jews having problems in Israel?Of course not.I know.

    Israel is racist nation and this is important.It commits, and is committing war crimes.It has policies as Hitler,and then accuses others who criticize it of being Hitler.It is occupier of Palestine illegally.Lebanon war crimes.U.N. observers blown up by Israel,etc.13 dead Israel.How many thousands dead in Gaza.Goldstone Report effort made to whitewash.IDF members said war crimes committed.Benjiman Freeman You Tube topic.Jews acquisition of Palestine.
    The history of Jews in Palestine is not good going back to Belfour Declaration.The Founding Myths of Modern Israel by
    Roger Garaudy is fact.That is why effort has been made to cover it up.The History Of The Jews being God chosen people is a contradiction in terms.Holocaust of Palestine.

    The gentiles are beast and animals,but the jews are certainly no better,and do not deserve special treatment.
    They are animals too.50 percent of richest in America are jews.Number 5 nuclear weapons.How many billion does America give little Israel at tax payer expense.Who is fighting in Iraq.How much control of U.S. corporations by jews.Henry Ford was not wrong in his books.One racist fighting the other.Competition is the cause of holocaust world wide.Land grab as with Israel and Palestine.Those of holocaust committing one,and denying it with evidence in the open.A joke on Fools.

    Thomas Hobbes said man is the worst of the beast.Israel and America its twin have proven it in illegal wars and occupation.Iraq war is illegal and Israel was the big pusher for it.Iran same game.Israel should mend it ways as time is running out.Determinism is the law, and shall be done,so be it.What was is not.

    Gentiles and jews what an example of Gods people.God is the law,and works in strange ways.There is nothing new under the sun.What exist is illusion.Fire is the ever living fire.The life and death of worlds is the way of God.Strife for balance.This second is all there really is.The best of all world, and it can’t be any other way,so eat it alive.
    Becoming is all there is.Heraclitus please forgive me for joking I know you can’t step in the same rive twice,and character is fixed.Logos is loco cause people think they rule themselves.A habit is not.So What.What is the point!

    Walter E. Haas Search Google.com God Bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | February 16, 2010

  96. As views different, and they all have their points. This topic should be kept in mind.Iran and Israel are center stage.
    Certainly there are those who try to change reality,and those who do not know what it is.Hearsay and special interest are not sound in getting at the truth.A broad view with a background of region history with phony one side view generally portrayed in media proves how reality is distorted.
    The center is objective as it is not off balance.Truth does not serve special interest if they have false front.

    Walter E. Haas Google.com page 1-2 God Bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | February 18, 2010

  97. Walter, and all other kindred spirits, yes, the Gentiles do indeed outnumber Khazars. However, the wealth of The House of Rothschild is nearly $500 trillion. That is half of the wealth of the entire planet, including all of the gold mines, diamond mines, and uranium mines of South Africa. The House of Rothschild, alone, sets the price of gold daily. That is outrageous control for one family to hold. They control most of the central banks of the world. Mayer Amschel Rothschild, said: If I control the money supply of a nation, then I care not who makes her laws.” He who holds the gold, rules. Under the rule of law, a tiny minority who owns the wealth of a nation, can rule the nation, the crown, the national government, the provincial/state government, the local city hall, etc. The gentile politicians are always looking for a bribe/political contribution, whatever you choose to call it. Walter, and others, please read “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” which parallel “The Twenty-Five Principles of Operation for The House of Rothchild,” established and handed down, from on high by none other than Mayer Amschel Rothschild. Incidentally, Rothschild, in the German, means “red shield.”

    Comment by ronaldlee | February 18, 2010

  98. ronaldlee, I have just replied to your comments in The Satanic Central Banksters’Monetary Enslavement System.Back Type did not present it when last I looked.If you will spend the time and read all my comments in The Satanic Central Banksters’ you will then have better concept of my position.I agree with you,but I maintain other factions are also dominant.The gentile elite and Zionist elite are on the same boat,and the capitain is their GOD.Bloodlines and history indicate this to be so.Yes greed can buy most anything,and Rothschild controls central banks and FED is central bank.Yes the Vatigan seems to play into the Zionist hands.Also Cecil Rhodes and Rothschild connection adding Rockefeller indicates strange bed fellows.Who controls the Illuminati and Freemasons, Crown,or Zionist?Queen of England,or Load Rothschild.Royal Bloodlines.Leo Zagami in the 2012 Armageddon Walter E. Haas Search Google page 1-2

    Israel has nukes to protect its interest.Blackmail with nukes and greed,power could buy the world.The gentiles are the majority,and are totally corrupt and stupid if elite Zionist run the world.Yes the American government seems to be controlled by Israel as the world does.Is Israel a puppet?

    Do elite create the world production for profit and power.
    Hegel Dialectics.Eustice Mullins,Ralph Epperson say yes,and others do too.America opposed communist,and now???

    This being said it takes two to tango.Most bankers are gentile.A jew may be king,but gentiles support him if so.

    Only by support can power be retained. One can always use nukes if they change their mind regardless of cost.This is the state of affairs today.Benjamin Fulford interview with Rockefeller rense.com.Asia Mafia connection.Illuminati also.

    Walter E. Haas Search Google.com page 1-2 God Bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | February 19, 2010

  99. There is but one way to solve the problem of the Khazars, and, unfortunately, is will end badly for the world, for the Khazars have too much power,and access to nuclear weapons. My fellow citizens, be prepared for wanton bloodshed, for that is the ony way to be really free of these demon possessed vermin.

    Comment by Ron | March 17, 2010

    • Hi,

      This is not a site that promotes violence! Do not equate the sins of a few with all. Evil people exist in all races, religion, country…etc It does not mean all citizens of that country are evil, it does not mean all citizens of a certain race are evil.. The Satanic agenda has always been to get us to fear and hate our fellow man. And to get us to do his dirty work for him. Don’t be deceive.

      rgds

      mosesman

      Comment by mosesman | March 18, 2010

  100. I am sorry to say that the majority of jews support the
    government of Israel.Which means they support war crimes and policies like Hitler.AIPAC and the packs are dominant in
    influence of U.S. government.3 billion a year U.S. tax payer
    funds go to Israel.1600 new settlements east Jerusalem is
    slap in face of U.S. puppets of Israel.Jews control the FED.
    Polices of U.S. serve Israel resulting from jews in U.S. government.Wealth of jews U.S. 50 percent of richest people in America with population of less than two and one half
    percent U.S. population.The New Jerusalem-Zionist Power in America.They Dare To Speak Out by Paul Findley.The Founding
    Myths of Modern Israel by Roger Garaudy.Goldstone Report.
    Illegal occupation Palestine.Human rights violations.War
    crimes in Lebanon,Palestine.

    Israel and the jews who support it have been exposed,and will never be able again to cover up their criminal actions.
    The more Israel, and the jews deny reality the more criminal
    they appear internationally.To lie when evidence is available proving war crimes,and human rights violations
    and persist with these lies indicates character of nation.

    America some think is ownd by the Zionist both gentile and jew.The interest of America is void for security of Israel
    including proxy wars.Israel is racist nation.Israel is for jews.Statement by Israel government officials.

    Influence in education,media,Hollywood,corporations,Fed
    private business sector.Competition results in conflict of interest.Hitler persecutes jews.Jews persecute the people
    of Palestine with policies like Hitler mandated.A Fact.

    Jews calling all racist that don’t agree with Zionist and jews will not work anymore.The history of Israel has been exposed,and the internet has exposed the hypocrisy of Israel
    and jews who deny war crimes.

    Yes a minority of jews oppose these criminal actions.Michael
    Hoffman 11 topic Talmud in lectures and books explains
    why some jews hate gentiles.Rense.com.You Tube?

    Yes gentiles have persecuted jews because of competition
    and ideology.There is no innocents.Historically the jews in war are the worst.The bible indicates this as the historian
    Leopold Von Rank does.Van Loon and many others.

    The founding of Israel is nothing but competition, and all means being used to remove one group for another.There will be no two state solution.There will be no resolve with
    Israel and Palestine.Finance controls the world.Rothschild
    founded Israel.Benjiman Freeman You Tube?

    Israel and jews in America should realize that gentiles do not want to be dominated by jewish doctrine.Gentiles talk about, so many jews in U.S government.Iran war pushed by Israel,and Zionist,gentiles and jews.Iraq same story.

    America is criminal.Congress is a puppet.America is involved in illegal wars for oil and hegemony.Imperialism
    and NWO.Norman Dodd stated that the U.S. would be blended with the Soviet union.Marc Faber said at rate of meltdown
    U.S. would be like Soviet Union.George Soros. America
    must allow Asia to be equal.The west in decline.The U.S.
    government behaves like it is communist fascist.Much evidence indicates it is.Corporate gentile and jew.

    Gentiles and jews are responsible for the decline of the west.The educated.What excuse?The super rich and professionals got to greedy and lost contact with reality.
    Now they want to enslave the sheep and make them pay as usual.Greece,Iceland,France don’t buy elite con.The sheep
    are becoming wolves.The NWO wants to own the sheep forever.

    The jews have use the holocaust to destroy gentiles,and to have power over them.Phony education in history,nationalism
    serve the NWO.Both gentiles and jews are involved in TREASON

    Universities?Ford Foundation,Reece Committee,Norman Dodd.
    Anthony Sutton The Best Enemy money Can Buy at You Tube.

    I am not a racist.I am not Hitler.I do not hate jews unless
    they lie and commit treason for Israel.This goes for gentiles as well.

    For Jews committing Treason in U.S. they must have support of gentiles committing TREASON.

    American history and policy is not what it seems.It is a beast of pray.Corporation and their conduct prove this
    point.War Is A Racket by Gen.Butler.Noam Chomsky,Hegemony
    Class War.Cover up the truth which is abnormal.

    Walter E. Haas Search Google.com page 1-2 God Bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | March 20, 2010

  101. Israel and U.S One.

    1600 new settlements east Jerusalem.Jerusalem capitol
    of Israel nation.Clinton statement a jewish nation.Israel
    pushing for Iran war.Neo cons gentile,jew on board for war.
    3 billion a year plus tax payer money to Israel.Refusal to
    accept Goldstone Report.Human rights violations with immunity.Spying on U.S. without prosecution in most cases.
    U.S.corporations big business with Israel.What conflict of
    interest.Control middle east using Israel as shield.The
    corporate support Israel as America is a corporation.No
    I am not kidding.Obama is the CEO.This is fact.Crown
    rule.Leo Zagami in the 2012 Armageddon explains how
    all goes together.The Satanic central Banksters’ and my
    comments do also.

    America is an hypocrisy.Everyone knows about Goldstone
    Report and conduct of Israel.Clinton is a puppet.It is a
    conflict of interest.50 percent of richest people in America
    are jews.FED,Hollywood,Publishing,Media,controlled by
    jews.U.S. government has disproportion of jews in U.S. government on a percent level.Private sector the same
    abnormal ratio.AIPAC and other jewish packs combine are
    probably the most powerful lobby in U.S.?

    Does Israel rules U.S..No the Crown does.Are they one yes.
    World bank headquarters enter city of London.Lord Rothschild
    Royal Institute of Foreign Affairs,CFR,TLC,etc. The same,
    but not the same.U.N. Rockefeller, CFR Rockefeller,IMF
    Rockefeller,Rothschild all same connections.Joan Veon
    Who Controls The World And Assets Search Google.com.
    Is the oil industry God.Is there oil in middle east.If you
    have shares in oil and everything else you would want to
    protect it.Gentile and jew.If there is intermarriage then
    I can protect my assets with more security.Leo Zagami in
    the 2012 Armageddon states bloodlines.

    The gentiles change reality,or try to because they have
    international ties.When one says Zionist and jews are
    responsible they are stupid.Both gentiles and Zionist are
    responsible because they work together for profit of one
    kind,or another.Jefferson said if private bank rules
    America then the people will be enslaved.The rich gentiles
    have shares in the FED as Biggest banks do?A private monopoly that is unconstitutional without any action to
    correct this violation.George Washington a Freemason said
    beware of foreign involvement.His Farewell Address was
    abridged?He explains conflict of interest.Thomas Paine also
    stated what rich would do if allowed.

    America is a corporation and the U.S Constitution is null and void as the FED should be.It is ruled by the Crown.
    There will never be settlement between Israel and Palestine.
    War will settle matter as it changes reality.With speech of
    Clinton at AIPAC it is crystal clear there is no solution.
    Stalling for war,or Armageddon 2012.This has been the English,Ireland game.This will not work for Israel.The
    opinion that if Palestine issue is resolved then imperialism will work is stupid.Exploitation result in
    conflict.War must be perpetual for profit.Oil,coal,nuclear
    must be used to retain power.No world borders is profit.
    Cull population when excess.Chip the sheep.NWO.

    Leo Zagami in the 2012 Armageddon. The elite going underground in caves with the aliens is final result
    solution as they can start with population of 1600 A>D.

    There is no logic are common sense.The lie is the truth.

    Everything I have said is a lie and abnormal.It cannot be true.America has been working 24 hrs a day for two state solution for Israel and Palestine.Clinton love the people of Palestine and Israel does to.Hamas just won’t listen to reason because it thinks it is democratically elected.
    America believes in democracy,so Hamas is abnormal for
    not agreeing with the United States of Israel.The forth
    Geneva convention is worthless.Water boarding is just.
    Martial law is the best law.Brainwashed and you don’t have to think.Communist rule is best.Open the borders of America
    and the world for democracy.Private sector business does
    not need government as they are it.They always know what is right.Police state for their security.Who are they?
    There is no problem with distribution of wealth.Leave the rich alone,so they can create jobs for the sheep.No
    regulation as they stop business which results in no life
    for morons.No tax on rich.Everyone else should pay.Why
    change.The old fashion way of fleecing sheep is the best way.When will the fools learn.When they are back in hell!

    The game is up! Michael Lewis book The Big Short.( CRIMINALS

    Walter E. Haas Search Google.com page 1-2 God Bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | March 23, 2010

  102. Barry, your memory is irrelevant to your DNA. Your DNA is the Khazar tribe, a nomadic, bellicose Turkic tribe, which was domiciled in Khazaria, which is present day Georgia. That is the source of your origin. Your DNA is far more reliable, and precise than your memories. Your people have used the history of the True Hebrews, seduce the ignorant Gentiles, to tolerate your tyranny, and call you the chosen. Nothing could be more absurd in this world. Alfred Koestler is not the only source of the expose, to the greatest hoax, in human history. Benjamin Freedman is another, we are not all fools. Ickes, the British author is another. There are many, who are wise to your BS. Your days are numbered, and so are the days of The House of Rothschild, aka The Synagogue of Satan, as referenced in Revelations 2:9; and 3:9-10. Read The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. The jig is up, Juden. Your fraud is in plain sight now, for all the world to see. Why should nearly seven billion suffer, for the fraud of 7.28 million fraudulent Khazars? Now tell me, Barry, is that even logical?

    Comment by ronaldlee | March 23, 2010

  103. To the folks who have been writing in making threatening statements (or attempts at intimidation) towards Jews, here is a news flash for you;

    1) you do not have to be Semitic to be Jewish. Abraham, the patriarch of the Jews, was not a Semite. He was a Sumerian, of the nobility. His ancestors originated from east of the fertile crescent, not from the west, the Arabian Peninsula, where the Semites originated. The Sumerian nobility did not favor marriages with the more recent Semite immigrants, (i.e., the origins of Sumerian culture occurred 6000 years ago). Do some real research on your own, you will find out this is true. Most people incorrectly assume all Jews are Semitic in origin, because most Jews WERE Semitic 3000 years ago, but see my point #2.

    2) Being Jewish is not a matter of race or ethnicity. Its more akin to a large tribe which became a multi-national cosmopolitan nation without boarders.

    3) People who have converted to Judaism, are just as Jewish as people who are Jewish and who are Semitic in their ethnic origin.

    4) And most important to the people who look to objective data in science. Much genetic testing has been done on Jewish populations. It reveals that in the great majority, (95+%) of modern European and North American Jews DO have the haplotypes which reveal their genetic connection to Semitic populations in the ancient middle east. The size of the Jewish population which have descended from “Khazarian” Jews is very small. So sorry to disappoint you about that FACT. Again, get off your butts and do some research on the topic.

    5) Further all of these points you try to make about people with a Khazarian background are racist, and ignorant and un-in-formed. What gives you the right to make such racist statements about these people?

    Stop worrying about the Rockefellers and the Rothchilds and learn to take care of yourself, your own family and learn to show others some basic respect.

    And I just heard a reliable news analyst just mention on TV today, moments ago in fact; in the US support for Israel is the highest it has ever been. Mentioned on Hardball MSNBC, by the host Chris Mathews, a good Catholic.

    So much for all the threats I keep reading about here, about how all of you think you have discovered something meaningful about Jews, which will deny them their claims to a national homeland in Israel.

    You are wrong on every point.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 24, 2010

    • Leslie, at best, you are delusional, and in total denial. At worst, you are a murderous, genocidal fool, who is ashamed of his Khazar roots. Abraham,indeed, was a Semite, which by definition, means of the seed of Noah, his son Shem, in particular. No Khazar could ever be a true Hebrew. Please, understand simple genetics.

      Comment by ronaldlee | March 24, 2010

      • Ron,

        Thanks for your concern about my state of mind.

        Its clear to me you could not educate yourself out of a paper bag about any topic. You are the type who can only know or accept what other ignoramuses tell you, provided what they tell you agree with some unfounded opinion you already hold.

        As I explained to you, there is no such thing as a “true Hebrew” in the racial or ethnic sense.

        Being Jewish, being a Hebrew is not a matter of race or ethnicity.

        Its a tribe.

        How many times do I have to repeat this for you?

        A large extended grouping of people collected by common beliefs and social practices, with no ethnic or DNA based rules for joining.

        If you knew anything about genetics, and clearly you don’t, you would understand just how diverse the human genetic heritage is, and this is particularly true of Jews.

        I’ll tell you what.

        You can convince me you are correct and I am wrong by siting three studies of Jewish populations which show that people of Khazar descent comprise the bulk of modern Jewish populations of Europe and the USA.

        But then I know you can’t because I HAVE READ GENETIC STUDIES OF JEWISH POPULATIONS AND THEY DO NOT ( I REPEAT DO NOT ) show that modern Jewish population descend from the Khazars. In fact this hypothesis has been studied and refuted.

        PERIOD, END OF TOPIC, YOU ARE WRONG!!!

        Find the peer reviewed, scientific studies that show this is NOT true, and you will convince me.

        But then I know you can’t.

        Besides it irrelevant, because being Jewish is not a matter of race or ethnicity.

        And neither is the right to a Jewish homeland dependent upon one’s race or ethnicity, if you are Jewish.

        So unless you can back up your views with science or a sociologically accurate definition of human populations, don’t waste my time with your DRIVEL.

        Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 24, 2010

      • By the way, even if the Old Testament WERE an accurate accounting of human populations (and it is not) the son’s of Shem include people of Europe, Eurasia, and of India.

        Look it up.

        Let me make this simple for you so you understand, I will use a simple formula.

        SHEM /= Semite.

        That is, the sons of Shem do not equal the Semites.

        Period, end of story, and YOU are wrong.

        Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 24, 2010

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  105. Yes your time is almost up morons.You know what is going to happen.Disclosure.Suppression of freedom of speech.Jews don’t want to face reality if they do not acknowledge Israel
    racist war crime nation.Duel citizens in U.S. government
    should not be permitted as you know.They could be spies for Israel.

    Pollard,USS Liberty,9/11,Iraq war,FED just to name a few.
    Rothschild finance.Golden Sacks controls FED.Rothschild 57 percent shareholder of FED.Banks shareholders in FED.Bailout
    by FED for FED shareholders.Israel founded by Rothschild.

    Yes Israel and the jews need to be honest.The Talmud does
    not like gentiles animals.

    My comments were discarded at 5 AM this morning by Socio-Economic History Blog.The reason being I told the truth, and gave references to support what I was saying.Most jews don’t seem to be able to face reality about their beliefs and Israel.

    I will continue if this is not removed.TESTING.

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | March 24, 2010

    • Don’t you have something better to do with your time?

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 24, 2010

  106. Yes your time is almost up morons.You know what is going to happen.Disclosure.Suppression of freedom of speech.Jews don’t want to face reality if they do not acknowledge Israel
    racist war crime nation.Duel citizens in U.S. government
    should not be permitted as you know.They could be spies for Israel.

    Pollard,USS Liberty,9/11,Iraq war,FED just to name a few.
    Rothschild finance.Golden Sacks controls FED.Rothschild 57 percent shareholder of FED.Banks shareholders in FED.Bailout
    by FED for FED shareholders.Israel founded by Rothschild.

    Yes Israel and the jews need to be honest.The Talmud does
    not like gentiles animals.

    My comments were discarded at 5 AM this morning by Socio-Economic History Blog.The reason being I told the truth, and gave references to support what I was saying.Most jews don’t seem to be able to face reality about their beliefs and Israel.

    I will continue if this is not removed.TESTING.Funny you removed my comments because you are inferior and like
    Hitler.You will be exposed.Oath Takers.com.John Birch Society.Of course you have expose yourself.You phony Racist and communist fascist internationalist,Yes I think this can be taken care of.Yes how long can you play before you slip.
    Your name and details are no secret.

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | March 24, 2010

    • Get a life.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 24, 2010

    • Walter, have you considered a career in comedy?

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 24, 2010

  107. Israel is a racist nation and has policies like Hitler.This is obvious.Israel is in violation of U.N. resolutions and
    the Forth Geneva Convention.War crimes and human rights violations.1600 new settlements east Jerusalem is only
    latest example of policies like Hitler.IDF and settlers,
    and way they treat people of Palestine indicates Talmad
    doctrine.Gentiles are animals.Michale Hoffman 11 literature
    and books at You Tube.No not all jews think this way,but majority world wide support Israel and its policies toward
    Palestine.If I support a criminal what does that make me.

    Truman had no right to partition and create Israel.This is why some say Israel should not exist.Israel does exist
    regardless of legality.The two state solution is solution,but ideology and competition create holocaust.
    That is why Palestine is in holocaust now.The jews are persecuting Palestinians as Hitler persecuted jews.U.S.
    supports Israel regardless of human rights violations.
    America is same as Israel.Hamas was democratically elected,
    but U.S. and Israel do not recognize Hamas.West bank puppet of Israel.Divide and conquer.Egypt paid by U.S. to not go
    to war with Israel,or open borders.

    Benjiman Freeman speech on jews You Tube.He states that the Zionist sold out the Germans for Palestine.That is why the Germans lost the war.U.S. intervention.Wiemar Republic
    had strong jew influence.The Russian Revolution was caused by international bankers in New York.Hitler hated the jews and communist as result of WW 1 and Versailles Treaty and
    he knew Zionist has betrayed the German nation.WW II was result of WW1.Belfour Declaration and Palestine was English pay off for Zionist.

    The jews comeback to Palestine 2000 years later and say Palestine is ours.Most jews are not of tribes of Israel.
    They are Turkish,or other.This is important in claim the bible gives Israel to the jews.The bible will not hold up in court of law.God may exist,but there is no conclusive evidence to prove it.Zionist have no grounds for Israel
    if this conviction is removed.Nevertheless the two state solution is solution,but ideology of Zionist and need of territory for expansion rejects it.There can be no solution.Stalling and taking more land is strategy of Israel.There can be no agreement.This is proven by
    continuous blocks to agreement as new settlements prove.

    The exposure of Israel and Zionist and jew support for
    criminal action of Israel have destroyed credibility of Israel and America.It is the United States of Israel.
    Clinton stated Israel is jewish nation and U.S. loves
    Israel.U.S. tax payers pay over 3 billion a year for
    violations of human right and defense industry,and other U.S. corporations.Israel spies on U.S. and get free arms.
    Israel duel citizens are in U.S. government.A conflict of interest.Maybe a violation of U.S. Constitution? Foreigners
    may serve their nation and not U.S..

    Jewish lobbies. AIPAC and other jew lobbies combined in U.S. may be largest lobby.It is said AIPAC controls congress.Banking lobby controls senate.

    The jews have used holocaust to oppressed gentiles and demoralize them.Norman Dodd Reece Committee said the bankers were going to blend the U.S. with Soviet Union.State Dept. would be controlled, and history would be distorted to brainwash the people.Anthony Sutton
    The Best Enemy Money Can Buy shows the treason of U.S.
    corporations.China being number one as result of western investment indicates U.S. and E.U. communist fascist NWO.
    Internationalist for power will use any ideology for NWO.
    China will be new model for world NWO.

    International banking is on who’s side.

    The jews have destroy their credibility.The governments support Israel not the people.Jews are 50 percent of richest people in America.Hollywood,Publishing,media they control in addition to corporations,etc.

    The holocaust and accusing all of being racist that criticize Israel and jews will not work anymore.
    Israel is number 5 in nukes.JFK opposed Israel having them.
    Iran has right to nukes if Israel has them.Israel Nukes are
    not open to inspection.Israel caused Iraq war and wants war with Iran as gentile Neo Cons do.

    Israel is threat to U.S. security.3 billion should be cut off.Jews are threat to U.S. security that are citizens of U.S and support Israel more than America.Jew are committing
    war crimes in Palestine.Holocaust is in Palestine.Israel is racist.Duel citizens of Israel,U.S. should not exist as it is conflict of Israel.It indicates America belongs to foreign nation with the consent of U.S. Congress.There is evidence that indicates this is the status of U.S..

    The Founding Myths of Modern Israel by Roger Garaudy,The New Jerusalem-Zionist Power in America by Michael Collins Piper and The Dare To Speak Out by Paul Findley are sufficient to prove the reality of Israel and the jews.

    The support for Israel is because of international financing.Strategic location,and influence of International bankers.Israel was founded by Rothschild to a degree.
    Joan Veon- Who Controls the World and its Assets- Search Google.com.War crimes by western allies resulted in Nuremberg military Tribunal use false and insufficient evidence to convict Nazis.Iraq example of lying by U.S. government as 9/11 phony evidence and block of investigation
    The allies wanted to crush Germany.The victor write the history.Holocaust discussion outlawed many countries.Fear of the truth.The Founding Myths of Modern Israel by Roger
    Garaudy.You can’t prove him wrong because he is right.You can try to spin truth as usual.The fact are available
    but people don’t research as they are brainwashed
    to believe the lies of News Media.

    The jews need to talk about what they are doing in Palestine.The holocaust is in Palestine caused by them.
    No you can’t have it both ways.America is to much influence by jew doctrine with permission of gentile elite.Hollywood,
    education,morals,materialism,no nationalism,no history,
    no belief,no conviction are not the concepts of Israel.
    Why should they be in America.Third world public education
    seems conspiracy to destroy America.Who controls text books.
    Norman Dodd They will destroy history and culture for NWO.
    Universities evidently support the NWO in U.S. as well as many students from some classes.TREASON.

    If you Don’t like U.S. get the hell out.

    The enemy is within.Communist fascist internationalist.

    Oath Takers and John Birch Society know this.Many other
    organizations do also.It is obvious,and there is proof by actions of U.S government and its allies.This is my opinion.

    How terrible to say such a thing.Why say something like this.I believe in The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.
    I believe in Freedom of Speech.I believe in a draft military where all serve.Foreigners should not be in U.S. military.Gays should be in U.S. military.Don’t ask and don’t tell is okay.Control your actions are get Court Martial.

    Israel and the Zionist and jews need to mend their ways.

    I have made many comments if you look at comments 1 to 107
    for this topic.

    Walter E. Haas Search Google.com page1-2 God bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | March 24, 2010

    • Thanks for the threats, and endless repartition, clearly, you have said everything you have to say, ten times.

      And its all totally a WOT.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 24, 2010

    • Walter,

      Stand-up comedians are needed for Afghanistan, think of the career possibilities you may have there!

      If they do not die laughing at you, you may help them get some much needed sleep.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 24, 2010

  108. Do believe everything you read? See this video;

    http://www.wimp.com/gulliblecities/

    The internet is great, but you need to be skeptical and do some researching and thinking all on you own.

    It also helps to set aside your biases, and hatreds, unlike the people who have bought into this Khazarian Jew myth, that has in fact been completely debunked by modern, recent DNA research.

    So here is a news flash for you, the Bible, (none of them) are factual sources of human social, or genetic history.

    And yes while some Khazarians converted to Judaism, the majority of modern European and North American Jews (neither the Sephardic or Ashkenazim) do not descend from Khazaria as proven by scientific DNA studies of Jewish populations.

    It may help you to get some basic perspective to start by realizing in the first place that Jews who ARE primarily Semitic, ethnically, do not comprise all of the ethnic types among people who are Jewish.

    You need to realize what I am telling you, I just said you do not need to be of Semitic ethnicity to be Jewish. Abraham for one was not a Semite. Study Sumeria, you will learn something about the people who settled the area before it was over-run by Semitic peoples fleeing the desertification of the Arabian peninsula.

    And further, being Jewish in the first place is not a matter of race or ethnicity.

    Now, IF you can grasp these fairly simple points, you may find your way to dealing with the truths that underlay your hatreds. And you may even be able to move beyond this sort of racist thinking you have fallen into.

    Walter? are you paying attention?

    Bye for now.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 24, 2010

  109. Khazarian Jew Myth.

    I am sorry to say the points I made had little to do with
    Khazarian jews.The point I made was the bible is not a legal
    document and cannot be used as such.Zionist and jews use
    this to declare their right to Palestine.They are chosen of
    God.The chosen people.Moses and the promise land.

    I stated there are people who do not believe Israel should
    exist because of means use to create Israel.I said Israel exist,so there should be two state solution.

    I stated that Israel has proven it is stalling for more land
    and control of Palestine as it always creates problems to
    stop agreement of two state solution.

    The history of founding of Israel leaves much to be desired.
    Israel is racist nation.It has and does commit war crimes
    and human rights violation on a continuous bases.It is
    in violation of U.N. resolutions and the Forth Geneva Convention.It uses same kind of policies Hitler did now in
    Palestine.It is illegal occupier of Palestine.It has divided
    Gaza from west bank by political means ,and the use of puppets.Egypt is bought to not engage in war with Israel by U.S..It uses factions of Arab nations to enforce position.
    Israel was main cause of Iraq war.Israel wants war with Iran
    using proxy U.S and other western nation military troops.
    This is supported by U.S. and international corporations
    that control the governments of the world.They are gentile and jew.

    It is the united states of Israel as war crimes are okay with our government,and human rights violations have no meaning in real terms.Clinton supports Israel regardless
    as cutting of funding to Israel would be real solution.
    This will not happen because America is a international corporation.Hypocrisy is state of America.The American
    people and those of other nations do not support the Zionist
    or jews,or gentiles that support the war crime racist nation of Israel.The governments do.Political and financial interest,and strategic location are dominant factors in support of Israel.

    The influence of jew lobbies world wide, and jewish finance
    is what seems to control the world.This does not exclude
    gentile fascist elite from whatever faction there from.
    Joan Veon- Who controls The World And Its Assets-indicates
    Rothschild family dominant world player.He help found Israel.Search Google.com.Rockefeller,etc.

    News media is controlled by jews.Publishing controlled by jews.Hollywood controlled by jews.Corporations controlled by jews.Richest 50% percent U.S.jews.Ratio of jew to gentile U.S. government out of proportion.Influence by jews using lobbies out of proportion in U.S. politics.Claim
    AIPAC and other jew lobbies control congress and senate U.S..Private sector same influence.Gentiles are the same
    who support policies that under mind America.

    Duel citizenship of Israel,U.S. in U.S. government is conflict of interest,and dangerous to Security of U.S..
    Influence of Israel on U.S. is indicated to be destructive.
    Israel and U.S foreign Policy a report and book by Dept
    Harvard and other. Israel does not serve the best interest of U.S..Goldstone Report.Both these reports are denied by the establishment.Why would U.S. allow duel citizens in U.S.
    government?

    Israel and the Zionist and the jews need to understand
    they can no longer use holocaust as cover for war crimes.
    Using holocaust as political weapon to oppress, and corrupt gentiles will not work anymore.Being racist and calling others racist will not work anymore.Policies of Israel in Palestine like policies of Hitler.Jews persecute people of
    Palestine as Hitler persecuted jews.World wide support of
    Israel by jews.Minority of jews do not support Israel and its policies.Some jews are not racist.Some jews want two state
    solution.
    Really!

    The Talmud.Michael Hoffman 11 Books and lectures You Tube.
    Gentiles animals.Research.How are people treated in Palestine?Holocaust of Palestine!

    Universities how much jewish influence.Propaganda by jews
    about holocaust and their persecution is hypocrisy.It is
    used as I said before for political control.How else could minority rule a majority.Of course gentiles support these
    actions.Freedom of Speech for everything,but talk about holocaust, and hypocrisy of jews.News media and education systems U.S. constant propaganda by jews about how good Israel is.How the jews have been persecuted.

    What about the true history of jews and Zionist.Israel and many jew racist.They will deny they are,but call you one.

    The governments of west support the jews not the people of
    western nations.America is laughed about being Zionist.
    Gentiles have been conditioned not to say anything about
    jews.The jews can say anything about gentiles.The gentiles are bad and the jews are good, and never persecute,or commit
    holocaust in Palestine,or Lebanon.They always protect human
    rights.They never try to change reality in Palestine and U.S. and world.The bible indicates as Palestine the jews worst in war.The never use minorities for their own ends.

    Aljazeera News has articles on Palestine daily.How can America support this carnage in Palestine.Going on since jews returned to Palestine.

    The reason is the Americans are brainwashed by special interest that is international,and this is true of most of the world.Why would U.S. allow lies to prevail on this topic
    unless our government is threat to the American people.
    This is indicated by conditions in America,and western world.All jews do not agree with tactics of con job?

    Redundant as truth is known and denied 24 hrs a day by
    news media.The fox is in the hen house and it is okay.
    Who is the enemy.Please prove I am Hitler, and a racist,
    and stupid.Please prove what I have said is a lie.Please prove with evidence not spin that I am a low life animal.

    Walter E. Haas Search Google.com page 1-2 God Bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | March 25, 2010

    • Well Walter,

      You have proven that you are so biased against Jews, repeating here every malicious paranoid lie I have ever heard against Jews, that you clearly are not capable of a disinterested analysis of the actual topic of the article these comments are supposed to deal with.

      I’d say the only hope for you is a long vacation away from you computer and keyboard, so that you can step back from you obsessive posting here, and maybe recover you sanity and judgement.

      If not, I hardly see what further influence you might have repeating these same rude hateful delusions, over and over again, yet one more time.

      But I am sure if your posts prove anything, you just can’t help yourself from this compulsive posting and repetitious inane spewing of hatred.

      Walter, do yourself a favor and find a new hobby.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 25, 2010

  110. Leslie, Barry, and all other miscreant wannabes, you are what seed you is. Yahweh told, Abraham, “of thy seed, I shall make a great nation.” That seed is the genetic determinant of that race/tribe, neither of which, is you. Please, accept the laws of nature. You are not a Hebrew, but you are a fake Jew. Please educate yourself, to the truth. Koestler did, Benjamin Freedman did. I think for you people, it is all about clinging to power, more so than creed. Money and power, and Luciferianism are your God. You are, the Synagogue of Satan.

    Comment by Ron | March 25, 2010

    • You are wrong and you are a racist.

      You have no idea who or what I am, and no proof whatsoever of what you assume I am.

      Who are you that you think you can speak for God?

      But I know what YOU are, you are a racist who is bigoted, opinionated and ignorant.

      This whole theory that all Jews common today are descended from Khazars is simply disproven by genetic studies, which you are too lazy and self satisfied with your ignorance to expose yourself to.

      Furthermore, as I have explained, being Jewish is not a matter of race, and you misinterpret the meaning of “seed” stupidly taking it to mean what you think a Jew is – genetically. But then you are ignorant of what Jews are or were, or what they are today.

      There is no sense of being Jewish that you understand, and no sense of any truths in any religion that you understand, since any true religion takes people from their ignorance and hate to a higher place as a human being which YOU are clearly incapable of.

      Are you too stupid to know the difference between an ethnographic study and a genetic study? I see that you are too ignorant to know and respond to the difference in your apprehension.

      Are you to stupid or realize that Koestler wrote without have the access to genetic studies because they did not exist at the time he wrote, but he would not be an ignorant ass and ignore today’s science as you do.

      And I have read and heard Ben Freedman’s views, some are valid, some are highly misunderstood by haters like yourself.

      So let me summarize, you are not a fake you are a genuinely, willfully ignorant ass(umer), and your words and ideas are those of a genuine fool.

      You prefer your hateful delusions than the truth which you are not willing to acquaint yourself to, so satisfied are you with your ignorant indigence.

      You do not deserve a further response.

      I will not waste my time communicating with the hate full and the ignorant.

      Here is the bottom line, Jews are what we Jews know we are not what you non-Jew haters say we are, and we do not suffer from your obviously congenital stupidity.

      Your theory of the universe built around a delusionally hateful view of what Jewish people are, is totally demented, and also does not deserve further comment.

      In sum your are an ignorant, rude, willfully uninformed hater.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 25, 2010

  111. Leslie, yours are the rantings of a self-loathing, delusional, miserable parasite, who desires to be what he is physically and biologically can never be. It is a group psychosis, which you people really need to get some therapy for. Koestler, may he rest in peace, confronted this demon, dealt with it, conceded that his so-called “jewishness” was a hoax, and got on with his life, based in reality, and you should do the same. When Yahweh told Abraham,”Of thy seed, I shall make a great nation,” he was talking to one man, of one seed, one race, and one ethnicity. It was not a global covenant, but an offering to one man, and the seed of one man. You are not included. You are Khazar, a mongrel race of Mongolian and Turkic originl. Be not ashamed of that, for your group is quite accomplised, although mostly for infamy. Be proud of that, for at least, it is something. See http://www.iamthewitness.com, for further inquiry into your history.

    Comment by Ron | March 26, 2010

    • Ron you are clearly a racist and a hate filled ignoramus, who knows nothing about human genetics, human populations, or the Jewish religion or people.

      You are wrong on every point, for one Turks are not descended from moguls, this is just another racist ignorant uninformed presumption on your part.

      All you are doing in your posts is to demonstrate your total ignorance.

      Like I said before show me the three peer reviewed scientific studies of Jewish populations that show they descended from Khazars, and I will then say you are right and I am wrong.

      But you can’t because the hypothesis has been scientifically investigated and proved false.

      As I said it is the difference between an ethnographic study which has been proved to be in error, and a scientific study which I invite you to disprove.

      Further, all you are doing over and over again is to repeat you uninformed, unfounded, racist, wrong headed PARA-religions presumptions about me personally, (who you know absolutely nothing about) and about your erroneous conclusions about Jewish populations which you are too ignorant to accurately comment on.

      You views on religion are equally uninformed.

      Ron, your are the type of person who lives and sees the world entirely thru uninformed, prejudiced views, and you have proven yourself incapable of being educated.

      I’d say I am totally well founded in calling you an ignorant ass.

      But rather than continuing this exchange where you repeat your ignorant views for all to see over and over again, how about doing something of value?

      Learn at least enough about human genetics to be able to comment intelligently on this topic, and then read a dozen or so studies of Jewish population genetics.

      Further, your notions about religion, Judaism are just too bigoted and misinformed to deserve further comment, I will not even waste my time on that. I will not throw pearls before swine.

      No one in this post NAZI age thinks about populations, particularly Jewish populations in the racist terms you are bound by.

      No informed person thinks about religion in the bigoted racist terms you and other NAZI types think in terms of.

      Your are basically such an ignoramus, and so willfully ignorant you really do not merit a further response.

      Arthur Koestler was not only wrong about Jewish populations in genetic terms, which he would have no way of knowing about since he wrote his ethnographic study prior to the practical development of the science, but he was also wrong in many cases about the basic history and migrations of Jewish populations in Europe. His work was not even accurate in ethnographic terms.

      All of this is better known and with greater certainty today than it was even a dozen years ago, thanks to the science of genetics, which you clearly have no interest in acquainting yourself to, since it disproves your ignorant racist ravings.

      Don’t take my word for any of this, set aside your racist views and learn something new, like the science of human genetics, and the history of human populations in Europe, or of the middle east and you will have to admit you are wrong.

      Since you are so think skulled, I will repeat one more basic point anyone like you may still erroneously believe, such as the people who still do not know that Arthur Koestler was grossly in error.

      You do not have to be Semitic to be Jewish. Many populations within the greater body of Jewish people were significantly not-Semitic, as was the patriarch of the Jews, Abraham also was not Semitic.

      Further, the migration and population dispersion of people of Jewish descent in Europe is known, and Arthur Koestler was wrong in his conclusions, and assertions.

      His out of date, erroneous writing only serve to fan the dying embers of racists views like the ones you cling to, anyone who carries out a modern study of the topic realizes very quickly that Arthur Koestler was by in large wrong.

      I think I have been patient enough in my responses to you.

      You have REPEATED your ignorant views for anyone to see numerous times, with no sign whatsoever you are capable of learning, or willing to acquaint yourself with any information that does not cater to your racist biases.

      There are in fact scientific studies on these topics which anyone can access, if they are really interested in the truth.

      Again, I see it is a waste of time responding to you.

      Really I have wasted far too much time on you.

      BYE

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | March 26, 2010

  112. Leslie, you poor sap, a man who wants to be of a DNA he can never be. Be proud of your Khazar DNA, and do not covet the DNA of Abraham, Moses, and Solomon. You, and your ilk, are the Synagogue of Satan.
    Please, Leslie, go to http://www.iamthewitness.com, so you can rid yourself of your psychosis. The truth shall set you free.

    Comment by Ron | April 2, 2010

    • Ron,

      I am proud of who I am, and the main thing you are that I am not is a total ignoramus.

      Bye, bye moron.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 2, 2010

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  115. Pitiful is the man or people, who desire to be other than what they are, but it should come as no surprise,that such people exist, as some folks, in order to gain acceptance, among other tribes, will, by stealth, pretend to embrace, pretend to assimilate, pretend to love one culture, one country, while all along, maintaining an agenda, and a loyalty to another entity, diametrically opposed to the object of the pretext. Very sinister, quite clever, and extremely dangerous. Fellow citizens of the world, and my dear fellow Americans, prepare for Armageddon. The time is nigh, and the stakes are higher than ever before.

    Comment by Ron | April 8, 2010

  116. Walter, you said that Israel’s policies could be likened to Hitler. What an interesting analogy, since Adolf Hitler was the grandson of Baron Rothschild, of Vienna. His father, Alois Hiedler, who later legally changed his name to Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Baron Rothschild, and Anna Schickelgruber, his maidservant, born in 1889. He was controlled by the House of Rothschild, for the duration of the Third Reich. Khazars created Marxism, as “Karl Marx” was a Khazar, as was Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, etc. Khazars made all of the profits of the Cold War, arming both sides, and controlling the financing of both sides, to the detriment of all. Oppenheimer, Teller, Einstein, were all Khazars. The Rosenbergs were Khazars. Vladimir Putin is a Khazar. Do you now understand who controls the world? The Khazars are on all sides of all issues, simultaneously. That is the brilliance of the global domination, its simplicity. Confound the goyim, and rule the world.

    Comment by Ron | April 10, 2010

    • Ron, this is just more stupid ignorant BS you can not prove.

      Everyone you want to blame for something “is a Khazar”.

      And where is your proof of their genetic lineage?

      What a total paranoid ignoramus you are.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 10, 2010

  117. I am confused.I thought the Satanic Central Banksters’
    Monetary Enslavement System 3 Sept 09 explained almost
    everything.Hitler and the Zionist.Benjiman Freeman Speech
    You Tube video. Zionist revolution,war.Hitler was a puppet
    as all are in more ways than one.Jew Watch.Gentile elite same game.Israel is racist nation.A violator of war crimes with
    policies as Hitler had.The United States Of Israel.U.S.
    and allies support policies of Israel in the closet maybe.
    War crimes seem to be common practice.Is Bush related to
    Nazi type philosophy by kin?Reality is stranger than fiction.
    America is not innocent.Neo Con Iran war being created.
    Israel has over 200 nukes without allowance of verification.
    Why can’t Iran have the same.Who is the terrorist?

    The Satanic Central Banksters’W.E.H. comments 75-100?

    Walter E. Haas Search 76 topic comments Search google.com
    and page 1-2.God Bless America.

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | April 10, 2010

  118. Leslie, you are so pathetic. I think you are ashamed of your Khazar lineage, and the long line of infamy associated with that bloodline, as well you should be. Be that as it may, you are what you are, and no amount of lying, and distortion by you, your brethren Khazar propagandists, or other bullshit can change your history, your DNA, or anything else. You have been exposed, you are the “Synagogue of Satan.”

    Comment by Ron | April 15, 2010

    • Ron,

      Thanks for the laugh.

      You are so ignorant, you are nothing but comical.

      You have adopted a bunch of mistaken ideas that you are not even willing to investigate on your own. And you are too lazy and too stupid to realize it is total BS, Your contentions have been entirely refuted by real science.

      And the name calling you engage in, truly the rants of an ignoramus.

      A philosophy of racial hatred, as absurd and baseless as any NAZI racial theory.

      If you really want to see someone who is pathetic, look in the mirror.

      Leslie

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 15, 2010

  119. Leslie, what would you know of real science, when you live in a fantasy world? Some Khazar “scientists” have published some additional bullshit, to try to refute your Turkic/Mongolian mongrelized pedigree, but it will not fly. You are the bastardy of Genghis Khan, and his mighty army. I know you want to be the “seed of Abraham,” my dear mutt, but it is simply not possible. However, if you must live a lie, have at it. You really do not matter, as you are totally irrelevant to reality, and what is to come.

    Comment by Ron | April 16, 2010

    • Ron,

      Real scientific studies have shown beliefs like yours, based on racial hatred and prejudices are not substantiated in provable fact.

      You would know this if you had read a single scientific genetics study, on Jewish and other populations, and I have read many of them, as well as books on the topic.

      I do not even have to call you an ignoramus to prove you are totally ignorant and prejudiced, you do that for me.

      You are as stupid as the NAZI leaders who exiled Jewish scientists during WWII, because they did not need “Jewish weapons”.

      And the result, these Jewish scientists went to the US and helped to provide the US with the science to defeat the NAZIs and the Japanese.

      As to your other bible beating nonsense, it does not merit a response.

      Leslie

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 16, 2010

      • Leslie, res ispa loquitor. You are your own fool. The entire Hebrew religion is based in the Bible, and that does not include the likes of Khazars, you are not incorporated in the Bible. The Khazar King, or Kagan, ordered your ancestors to convert in 740 A. D. There are Muslims in China, 54 million, to be exact. Does that make them descendant’s of the Prophet Muhammad? Khazars can never be Hebrews. You are the ignorant ones, interesting you cannot name one credible scientist, who attests to your authenticity, as being the “seed of Abraham,” or any other true Hebrew.

        Comment by Ron | April 16, 2010

  120. Leslie, that king, who ordered your ancestors to convert, was named Bulan. Google him, learn your history. Also, go to http://www.iamthewitness.com, to learn more of your history. I am honored to give you direction, so that you can discard all of the myths you have been taught about your people, the Khazars. Koestler was not the only Khazar to tell the truth. Alfred Lilienthal, who died a couple of year back also stated that the Khazars were impostors. Dr. Lilienthal was a Columbia Law grad, of great distinction, but upon the illegal establishment of New Khazaria/Israel, he gave up the practice of law, to work for the dissolution of New Khazaria/Israel, until his death. He wrote the book, Israel: What Price Peace? He wrote this book in 1953. Also, there are numerous others, including Jews Against Zionism, who want to dismantle Israel. It is best for the world, especially since most Israelis are Khazars, not Hebrews.

    Comment by Ron | April 16, 2010

    • As I have referred you to above repeatedly over this discussion page, modern studies of Jewish populations show that most Jews (>>>>90+ %)have haplotypes they share with other populations, like Palestinians, and these identified haplotypes are also known by scientific studies to be common to the ancient Hebrews. These haplotypes are found equally today among Sephardic and Ashkenazi populations, and they are found among people who are not Jewish, and may never have been Jewish, but who do share some history of contact that occurred, millenniums ago.

      More importantly while being Jewish is not a matter of race, the people of Israel have a significant, scientifically proven genetic connection to the ancient Hebrews and not to Khazarian populations, which constitute less than 5% of modern Jewish populations.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 20, 2010

  121. Wrong, disproved by peer reviewed scientific studies.

    You are repeating myth which you find comforting because of your prejudices.

    And you are as ignorant about Jews in general as you are wrong about myself in particular.

    You are just an blabbering ignoramus.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 16, 2010

  122. Leslie, what scientists would that be, some more of your Khazar propagandists, who would not know the truth, if it bit them in the ass? I must say, you are persistent in your delusional, psychosis. Prejudice has nothing to do, with scientific fact. I have a copy of the Judaica Encyclopedia, published by Khazars, which openly stipulates that most of world Jewry, 92% of you guys, are Khazars, not remotely of Semitic DNA. “Of thy seed, I will make a great nation,” is what Yahweh told Abraham, who clearly was not a Khazar? A man’s seed is not subject to a spiritual conversion. A man’s seed is his DNA. No interloper can later hijack that seed, or the belief system attached to that covenant, and claim it as his own, as though the covenant with Abraham, was his, all along? Can you even fathom the insanity of that psychotic posture?

    Comment by Ron | April 17, 2010

    • Wrong, accredited scientists have investigated the origins, migrations of Jewish and other populations and have found that people of Khazarian background among Jews are a small percentage, in the range of 5%.

      And sorry Ron, you can’t credibly dismiss their peer reviewed work by attempting to claim they are Jews and Khazarian.

      Furthermore, your bias against Khazars is equally racists.

      You have not read a single scientific genetic study, and all that you have written is just more NAZI like hate propaganda.

      People like you do not deserve the dignity of a response.

      You are ignorant and racists, and wrong.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 17, 2010

  123. Google, “Who Brought the Slaves to America?” Take a wild guess. Correct, it was the wonderful Khazars, The House of Rothschild. The book, which is documented through documents at The Library of Congress, just goes to prove that the Khazars/Ashkenazi “Jews,” and I use that term advisedly are the purveyors of misery in this world, and they brought the “Seed of Abraham” into chattel slavery into this land. And now, we are all enslaved by The House of Rothschild and The House of Rockefeller, worth $491 trillion and $111 trillion, respectively, some 75% percent of all the wealth on Mother Earth. Read The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Read them, and weep.

    Comment by Ron | April 17, 2010

    • Right, in your racist universe, every wrongful act in the universe was done by a Jew.

      You clink to these fantasies to justify your hatreds.

      You deserve no further response than that.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 17, 2010

  124. The article which started this thread was based on an ethnographic study of history by Arthur Koestler, who wrote about the middle age empire of the Khazars, some of which converted to Judaism.

    This is an interesting book I have read a few times, and my first reading of it was decades ago. It is only one of several books on this topic.

    For an ethnographic study, done when there was no readily available body of scientific genetics, it was a reasonably accurate study along with a good bit of conjecture about the Jewish history of the period.

    However, the hypothesis that most present day Ashkenazi Jews are decedents of the Khazars, has been refuted by modern genetic science.

    Anyone who is interested in what modern science has discovered thru genetic studies of Jewish and other populations can learn a great deal more of the truth by reading the following popular books;

    “DNA and Tradition: The Genetic Link to the Ancient Hebrews”

    “Abraham’s Children: Race Identity, and the DNA of the Chosen People”

    These are two popular, easy to find, general audience books on the topic which address, and they refute the Koestler hypothesis.

    Additional scientific studies related to these hypothesis, written for the scientific community include,

    “Multiple Origins of Ashkenazi Levites Y Chromosome Evidence for Both Near Eastern and European Ancestries”

    “MtDNA evidence for a genetic bottleneck in the early history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population”

    “Contrasting patterns of Y chromosome variation in Ashkenazi Jewish and host non-Jewish European populations”

    “The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder Event”

    “Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome Biallelic haplotypes”

    “High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews”

    “The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East”

    “Y chromosome evidence for a founder effect in Ashkenazi Jews”

    “Distinctive genetic signatures in the Libyan Jews”

    “Reconstruction of Patrilineages and Matrilineages of Samaritans and Other Israeli Populations From Y-Chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation”

    “Y Chromosomes of Jewish Priests”

    “Origins of Old Testament priests”

    “Y Chromosomes Traveling South: The Cohen Modal Haplotype and the Origins of the Lemba–the “Black Jews of Southern Africa” ”

    “Founding Mothers of Jewish Communities: Geographically Separated Jewish Groups Were Independently Founded by Very Few Female Ancestors”

    “Consistent Long-Range Linkage Disequilibrium Generated by Admixture in a Bantu-Semitic Hybrid Population”

    These papers are less commonly available, but also should be easy enough to find in a library or on-line.

    All of these scientific studies are peer reviewed studies done by genetic experts and all you have to do is read them to see they were NOT written by the ignorant hate filled racists who are so stupid as to believe the unfounded Koestler hypothesis at this late date, when so much more about human and Jewish population origins are known.

    Additionally, of interest the book;

    “When Scotland Was Jewish: DNA Evidence, Archeology, Analysis of Migrations, and Public and Family Records Show Twelfth Century Semitic Roots”

    The point of all of these papers and books I have presented are that good science and peer reviewed evidence entirely refutes the Koestler hypothesis.

    However, as this web page shows, people who hate Jews like to site the Koestler book as somehow proof of their simplistic and racially motivated and biased views that;
    1) all modern Jews are decedents of the Khazars
    2) the Khazars are or were violent aggressive people
    3) therefore all modern Jews are violent aggressive people
    4) modern Jews being Khazars are not “truly Jewish”
    5) therefore modern Jews have no right to a Jewish homeland in the middle east

    Above you see the poor quality of biased “thought” that prevails in their simplistic, self serving racist views. Not a single one of these “hypothesis” would be considered seriously by anyone who is not a racist ignoramus. They are of the quality of “thought” and belief that the NAZI pseudo-scientist used to justify their program of genocide.

    But you can learn the truth for yourself by seeking out the scientific literature, and I while have asked these numskulls to acquaint themselves with the modern science and of course since it refutes their views they will not do that.

    Additionally, not commonly known outside of Jewish communities are the following relevant points.

    1) being Jewish is not a matter of race
    2) being of a Semitic background is not a requirement for being Jewish
    3) the ultimate origins of the Jewish people were among non-Semitic populations

    These three points I have found are far too subtle for the minds of the racists who compulsively post to this web page, who attempt to use the Koestler book to justify their biases, nonetheless, these further points are true.

    Its sad, and these people are ignorant, racists, compulsively drawn to anything they think will justify their hatreds and racism, they will even attempt to use the Bible to justify their hatreds, and anyone who thinks the Bible represents their own hate filled prejudices are souls far too lost for me to attempt to retrieve.

    And this is also nothing new, throughput history, some people have attempted to scapegoat Jews into the perpetrators of every wrong they can assert or invent.

    And the people who do this are simply and undeniably haters, racists, and ignorant. Just read thru their posts on this web page, which speak for themselves on this point.

    Therefore, I will have to ask anyone truly interested in any of these points to seek out the best, not the worst literature on all of these points and decide for themselves.

    The few who compulsively post here restating their prejudiced views obviously can not help themselves from doing so, they are immune to learning anything on the topic which does not suit their biases, and really it is a waste of time to compose a response to their inanity, they just cannot help themselves.

    But I wanted to take a few moments to compose this response to help people find the literature on the topic which will illuminate the minds of the person who is not lost to racial hatreds and perpetual ignorance on this set of topics.

    Racists and their simple minded theories do not deserve the dignity of a respectful response.

    Further, people who misuse the Bible, any bible to justify their hatreds also do not deserve a respectful response.

    And clearly if these people were in control of their minds and behavior and capable of learning, and actually thinking beyond their unfounded prejudices they would not compulsively post the sames garbage over and over again, but obviously they can’t help themselves from these hatreds and compulsions.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 17, 2010

    • Leslie, I would expect no less than a hysterical, illogical response from you. Why don’t you read more, and emote less. It would be better for your mental health. I do not have any issue with real Hebrews. It is the Khazars, who masquerade as Hebrews that bother any rational mind. Do as Koestler, Benjamin Freedman, and others have done, renounce the greatest hoax in human history, and be free of the lies. “And the truth shall set you free,” John 8:32. Try it Leslie, don’t carry this heavy burden any longer. You are tired and you are weary. Just let it go, and be proud of your very own Khazar legacy. I do not hate you, or your kind. I hate the lies. Hate the message, not the messenger.

      Comment by Ron | April 19, 2010

      • As I have referred you to above repeatedly over this discussion page, modern studies of Jewish populations show that most Jews (>>>>90+ %)have haplotypes they share with other populations, like Palestinians, and these identified haplotypes are also known by scientific studies to be common to the ancient Hebrews. These haplotypes are found equally today among Sephardic and Ashkenazi populations, and they are found among people who are not Jewish, and may never have been Jewish, but who do share some history of contact that occurred, millenniums ago.

        The Koestler hypothesis that modern Jews are actually in preponderance descendants of Khazarian people during the middle ages has been disproved by genetic studies of Jewish populations in Europe and North America.

        Further, the idea that Khazarian people (Jewish or not) are violent, aggressive, etc., is just more racism, and just as unfounded and disgusting to any modern and informed person as your pseudo religious ideas about Jews are, Ron.

        Read any or all of the studies I referred you to, read the books I referred you to. The Koestler hypothesis has been scientifically investigated and has been found to be factually incorrect.

        Some Jews living today have an ethnic background (genetic groupings of characteristics) common to some people who have a Khazarian heritage. But MOST Jews simply have a different background than the Khazarian background.

        And to admit more relevant truth into the discussion Khazarian peoples do not represent a singular ethnicity either, it is simplistic and inaccurate to think that they are entirely of one ethnicity either.

        Further the root reason for the use of the Koestler hypothesis in these times is an attempt to deny modern Jews any claims they may have to a home country in the Middle East.

        But this just shows how little people know both of Judaism, the Jewish people.

        As I have said repeatedly, being a member of the Jewish people is not predicated on race. Jewish people do not constitute a race, or a singular ethnicity per se.

        Genetic studies of Jewish populations show a good deal of variety of genetic inheritances. Typically more variability that neighboring populations genetically studied in Europe or the Middle East.

        And as I explained above, Semitic peoples some of which are Jewish and some who are not Jewish do not constitute the whole of the Jewish population. They never have, they never will.

        You do not have to be Semitic to be Jewish, and the Patriarch of the Jewish people, Abraham was not Semitic.

        Any moron can hate or love Semitic people or hate or love Jewish people without there being a causal link or a factual reason for the hatred or the love.

        Ron, all you have to try to make your case is a bunch of pseudo religious clap trap. Garbage assertions you use to found your feelings of resentment towards Jews in general.

        But that is your personal problem, Ron. A problem you and other like people, neo-NAZIs for example, share.

        Furthermore, the modern nation of Israel is simply a fact.

        All of the people living in the middle east will have to learn to live amongst each other, even when they have differences of religious practice and divergent ethnicities.

        This is a must for different groups of people the world over, and not just in the middle east. It is a human problem, just as relevant for Irish and English, Pakistani and Indian, Chinese and Mongolian, American Black and American Chicano, etc. It is a human problem a problem of culture, character and upbringing, and a problem that is never helped by retrograde resentments based on pseudo religious clap trap.

        So reverting to pseudo religious grudge matches and resentment, as you do Ron, can never be a constructive way forward.

        For anyone who wants to see peace, among Jewish, Palestinian, European, Arab, American Black, White, Chicano, Asian, people etc. understands that we are all going to have to learn to get along respectfully and to drop all of these unfounded pseudo religious clap trap resentments, as Ron endlessly repeats, and to get to the real root issues, like respecting people irrespective of their ethnicity, religion, race, cultural differences, etc.

        And repeating pseudo religious non-sense, as Ron does constantly, does nothing to help people live with each other, resolve problems, or learn anything accurate or truthful about their own ethnic and cultural history.

        The study of human genetics has moved people with an open mind far from the prejudices of people like Ron, and has disproved the Koestler hypothesis as well.

        Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 19, 2010

  125. Ron, You persist in your ignorance and you refuse to learn.

    You prefer your racist biases, and refuse to become acquainted with the facts shown by modern scientific studies.

    Go to any accredited university with the books and the scientific study citations I have given to you above and ask them if that in review of the material they believe those scientists or if on the other hand they believe your hateful pseudo-religious rants.

    I doubt that you will find any accredited university faculty member in the world who would support your rants over the scientific studies I have referred you to. You would have to travel back in time to NAZI Germany to find anyone to support your racists views.

    You prefer your prejudiced views, because as most people know, people like you get some sort of perverse satisfaction out of hating people.

    You could become better educated and allow your thinking to become based on facts, but you refuse this because you derive so much pleasure and satisfaction from hating.

    You hate makes your character and mind weak, and revolting to any person with an education and decent upbringing.

    If you had any sort of self respect you would be embarrassed over the sort of rants and diatribes you have posted here, and no doubt elsewhere as well.

    But you sacrifice your self respect, and the respect of others who are not haters like yourself, for that satisfaction of hating.

    You post compulsively here saying the same crap over and over again because you can’t help yourself from doing so, even though you have nothing but your delusional rants to offer.

    People like you join hate groups, like neo-NAZI organizations, and like most of them, you will be ostracized from respectful society and by people who are not deranged haters like yourself.

    So I challenge you Ron, go to any accredited university in any 1st world nation and speak to members of the university faculty and then tell them your racist non-sense and ask them if they believe it over the scientific studies and books I have referred you to.

    And if you find one such faculty member who agrees with you let us know his or her name, and when you spoke to them.

    And if you actually found such a person and reported truthfully in public about your discussions with them, that faculty member would be in entire jeopardy of losing their position for supporting such non-sense, and hateful prejudiced views.

    In fact they would be dismissed from their positions if there were deluded enough to support your views.

    So otherwise Ron, you just putting out hate filled garbage, over and over again and no one but haters like your self believes in this garbage.

    You and your ilk are rightfully shunned by anyone with self respect and a modern world view and education.

    To bad your parents didn’t take better care to see that you ended up with the kind and quality of moral character and mind that others in this world would have any respect for.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 19, 2010

  126. As to the number of references I have made to the ultimate, non-Semitic origins of the Jewish people please see my earlier post above attributed to;

    Comment by Valbundi | May 25, 2009

    To understand this more completely see the book by John Sassoon “The Forbidden Hypothesis” and read Sitchin.

    As I indicated above, so much of the world and its conflicts are just the continuing on of the prejudices and motives of people long dead, which people in this day have foolishly taken as their “true” identities, their religion.

    Sad, when so much of this just leads to more and more conflict, misunderstandings, absurd and hateful views, ultimately used as justifications for murder and war.

    When will people take stock of themselves and learn to respect themselves and their neighbors no matter what they might think of their neighbor’s religion, race, history?

    What will all that nonsense baggage matter if it only leads to more hatred, more war, more misunderstandings?

    Shall we look backwards or forward?

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 20, 2010

  127. What leads to the hatred,Leslie, and other Khazar sychophants, is the global economic domination of the Khazars, and their evil agenda for the world. It is almost at an end, as the nearly seven billion non-Khazars are becoming enlightened of what has been done to them. The Synagogue of Satan is about to be reckoned with.

    Comment by Ron | April 21, 2010

    • There are evil selfish people in the world, but attempting to deal with the problem by hypothesizing a mythical bogyman, the evil rich Jew who controls the universe, will not solve anything.

      The main problem for western nations today is that corporations have bought the government, and have made sure that policies that benefit the wealthiest class of people at the expense of the working and middle class are in place.

      The recent financial meltdown, was the result of the loosening and removal of oversight over key financial institutions, who were then in a positions to steal from the pension funds, states, foreign governments, etc.

      This is not a religious issue, this is basically class warfare, with large corporations stealing from everyone, creating war for profit, exploiting poor people for slave labor world wide.

      The previous US president GW Bush, helped these thieves put their schemes in place, and I have even seen numskulls like you attempt to say, “W” did this because he is a Jew.

      And this is the sort of moronic, stupid analysis that gets us no-where.

      Whether “W” had a Jewish ancestor some generations back, is irrelevant to today’s problem.

      The Bush clan worked with the NAZI’s during WWII and were traitors to the United States, but they put family members into congress, the CIA and into the US Presidency.

      They are no more Jewish than the Jew hating numskulls who write into this page and attempt to blame everything on Jews.

      But the Bush clan are very representative of the problem, they are wealthy people, a crime family who are willing and able to use the institutions of government and private institutions to further enrich themselves at everyone else’s expense. Including the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi’s for example, if it allows them to gain control of middle east oil resources for example.

      That in a nut shell is the problem humanity has to deal with to see real progress, class warfare, conducted world wide, with some people in power, willing and able to exploit others to any extent they feel is necessary to enrich themselves.

      That is the root problem, and all of this BS hatred aimed against Jews, or the Roman Catholic Church, or one religion against another is a deliberate planned distraction and a false issue, which keeps people from dealing with the fundamental problem.

      If you had the intellect to understand these things Ron, you would not allow your self to become a pawn in their game, since it is well known that the true hidden world powers are deliberately using religious hatreds to divide and conquer people, that is their plan and you are fool enough to help make it happen, although in true point of fact all you do is make an ass of yourself in a public forum.

      Ron, when you spout that religious hatred nonsense you show the world what a total fool you are, you make yourself part of the problem.

      “Synagogue of Satan” what a stupid moron you are. You are demented to believe in that crap.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 21, 2010

  128. Leslie, I am a Christian. The reference to the Synagogue of Satan is not my creation. It is found in the Book of Revelations, the final book in the New Testament of The Holy Bible, King James Version. Any ignorance you attribute to me comes straight of of the Holy Bible, which has been in existence, for nearly two-thousand years. If that makes me a fool, then I am guilty as charged. Leslie, read Revelations 2:9; and 3:9-10. Of course, not being Christian, I am certainly that you totally discount the New Testament, as your messiah has not yet arrived, or perhap Lucifer is your messiah, of so I have heard.

    Comment by Ron | April 22, 2010

    • Ron, you are no Christian. Christ was not a hate filled, racist ignoramus.

      But that is exactly what you are.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

  129. Yes, you are a fool for believing that the “Book of Revelations” is literally true.

    Just as I would be a fool if I believed that the old testament commandment that the Jewish people should murder every inhabitant of Canaan was the word of God.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 22, 2010

  130. Leslie, thank you, for your omnescience and your omnipotence on all things in the universe. You are such an arrogant asshole. Good luck, in Armageddon, and good riddance.

    Comment by Ron | April 23, 2010

  131. Ron,

    No, Ron, Thank You!!!

    Thanks for giving us a glimpse into how an ignoramus sees the world, through the lens of foolish nonsense.

    Leslie

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

  132. “A 2001 study by Nebal et al., found that the high frequency of R1a1NRY within the Ashkenazi Jews was sourced from the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century, and who ordered the lower class Khazars to convert to Judaism, and now we have New Khazaria, aka Israel, with a 92% Khazar population. Now that is a scientific fact, Alfred Koestler was right on the money, though he did not have the DNA evidence, at that time, to prove it.

    Comment by Ron | April 23, 2010

    • Absolutely wrong, as I have told you over and over again, this thesis has been disproved by science.

      You just can’t help yourself from spouting this BS, can you?

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

    • Anyone who is interested in what modern science has discovered thru genetic studies of Jewish and other populations can learn a great deal more of the truth by reading the following popular books;

      “DNA and Tradition: The Genetic Link to the Ancient Hebrews”

      “Abraham’s Children: Race Identity, and the DNA of the Chosen People”

      These are two popular, easy to find, general audience books on the topic which address, and they refute the Koestler hypothesis.

      Additional scientific studies related to these hypothesis, written for the scientific community include,

      “Multiple Origins of Ashkenazi Levites Y Chromosome Evidence for Both Near Eastern and European Ancestries”

      “MtDNA evidence for a genetic bottleneck in the early history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population”

      “Contrasting patterns of Y chromosome variation in Ashkenazi Jewish and host non-Jewish European populations”

      “The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder Event”

      “Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome Biallelic haplotypes”

      “High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews”

      “The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East”

      “Y chromosome evidence for a founder effect in Ashkenazi Jews”

      “Distinctive genetic signatures in the Libyan Jews”

      “Reconstruction of Patrilineages and Matrilineages of Samaritans and Other Israeli Populations From Y-Chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Variation”

      “Y Chromosomes of Jewish Priests”

      “Origins of Old Testament priests”

      “Y Chromosomes Traveling South: The Cohen Modal Haplotype and the Origins of the Lemba–the “Black Jews of Southern Africa” ”

      “Founding Mothers of Jewish Communities: Geographically Separated Jewish Groups Were Independently Founded by Very Few Female Ancestors”

      “Consistent Long-Range Linkage Disequilibrium Generated by Admixture in a Bantu-Semitic Hybrid Population”

      These papers are less commonly available, but also should be easy enough to find in a library or on-line.

      All of these scientific studies are peer reviewed studies done by genetic experts and all you have to do is read them to see they were NOT written by the ignorant hate filled racists who are so stupid as to believe the unfounded Koestler hypothesis at this late date, when so much more about human and Jewish population origins are known.

      Additionally, of interest the book;

      “When Scotland Was Jewish: DNA Evidence, Archeology, Analysis of Migrations, and Public and Family Records Show Twelfth Century Semitic Roots”

      The point of all of these papers and books I have presented are that good science and peer reviewed evidence entirely refutes the Koestler hypothesis.

      However, as this web page shows, people who hate Jews like to site the Koestler book as somehow proof of their simplistic and racially motivated and biased views that;
      1) all modern Jews are decedents of the Khazars
      2) the Khazars are or were violent aggressive people
      3) therefore all modern Jews are violent aggressive people
      4) modern Jews being Khazars are not “truly Jewish”
      5) therefore modern Jews have no right to a Jewish homeland in the middle east

      Above you see the poor quality of biased “thought” that prevails in their simplistic, self serving racist views. Not a single one of these “hypothesis” would be considered seriously by anyone who is not a racist ignoramus. They are of the quality of “thought” and belief that the NAZI pseudo-scientist used to justify their program of genocide.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

    • From;

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

      A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that “R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars”. They concluded “However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

      • There is a big difference between 92% and (at most) 12% regarding the study of the same haplotype.

        Ron gave no cite, so I suspect he just made his post up.

        Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

  133. Announcement to the universe of Christian fools who know nothing about their religion and little else of reality.

    The Jew – Synagogue of Satan is coming to git you.

    You have been warned!!!!

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

  134. As I said this theory is nothing but anti-semitism, which maggots like Ron cling to, although it has been scientifically disproven. See the Wikipedia;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Alleged_Khazar_ancestry_of_Ashkenazim

    about 2/3rds down the page ….

    Debate about Khazar conversion to Judaism

    [edit]Date and extent of the conversion
    The date of the conversion of the Khazars to Judaism, and whether it occurred as one event or as a sequence of events over time, is widely disputed. The issues surrounding this controversy are discussed above.

    The number of Khazars who converted to Judaism is also hotly contested, with historical accounts ranging from claims that only the King and his retainers had embraced Judaism, to the claim that the majority of the lay population had converted. D.M. Dunlop was of the opinion that only the upper class converted; this was the majority view until relatively recently. Analysis of recent archaeological grave evidence by such scholars as Kevin A. Brook asserts that the sudden shift in burial customs, with the abandonment of pagan-style burial with grave goods and the adoption of simple shroud burials during the mid-800s suggests a more widespread conversion.[34] A mainstream scholarly consensus does not yet exist regarding the extent of the conversions.

    [edit]Alleged Khazar ancestry of Ashkenazim
    The theory that all or most Ashkenazi (“European”) Jews might be descended from Khazars (rather than Semitic groups in the Middle East) dates back to the racial studies of late nineteenth century Europe, and was frequently cited to assert that most modern Jews are not descended from Israelites and/or to refute Israeli claims to Palestine. It was first publicly proposed in lecture given by the racial-theorist Ernest Renan on January 27, 1883, titled “Judaism as a Race and as Religion.”[35] It was repeated in articles in The Dearborn Independent in 1923 and 1925, and popularized by racial theorist Lothrop Stoddard in a 1926 article in the Forum titled “The Pedigree of Judah”, where he argued that Ashkenazi Jews were a mix of people, of which the Khazars were a primary element.[19][36] Stoddard’s views were “based on nineteenth and twentieth-century concepts of race, in which small variations on facial features as well as presumed accompanying character traits were deemed to pass from generation to generation, subject only to the corrupting effects of marriage with members of other groups, the result of which would lower the superior stock without raising the inferior partners.”[37] This theory was adopted by British Israelites, who saw it as a means of invalidating the claims of Jews (rather than themselves) to be the true descendants of the ancient Israelites, and was supported by early anti-Zionists.[19][36]

    In 1951 Southern Methodist University professor John O. Beaty published The Iron Curtain over America, a work which claimed that “Khazar Jews” were “responsible for all of America’s — and the world’s — ills beginning with World War I”. The book repeated a number of familiar antisemitic claims, placing responsibility for U.S. involvement in World Wars I and II and the Bolshevik revolution on these Khazars, and insisting that Khazar Jews were attempting to subvert Western Christianity and establish communism throughout the world. The American millionaire J. Russell Maguire gave money towards its promotion, and it was met with enthusiasm by hate groups and the extreme right.[20][21] By the 1960s the Khazar theory had become a “firm article of faith” amongst Christian Identity groups.[19][22] In 1971 John Bagot Glubb (Glubb Pasha) also took up this theme, insisting that Palestinians were more closely related to the ancient Judeans than were Jews. According to Benny Morris:

    Of course an anti-Zionist (as well as an anti-Semitic) point is being made here: The Palestinians have a greater political right to Palestine than the Jews do, as they, not the modern-day Jews, are the true descendants of the land’s Jewish inhabitants/owners.[25]
    The theory gained further support when the novelist Arthur Koestler devoted his popular book The Thirteenth Tribe (1976) to the topic. Koestler’s historiography has been attacked as highly questionable by many historians;[24][38][39] it has also been pointed out that his discussion of theories about Ashkenazi descent is entirely lacking scientific or historiographical support; to the extent that Koestler referred to place-names and documentary evidence his analysis has been described as a mixture of flawed etymologies and misinterpreted primary sources.[40] Commentors have also noted that Koestler mischaracterized the sources he cited, particularly D.M. Dunlop’s History of the Jewish Khazars (1954).[39] Dunlop himself stated that the theory that Eastern European Jews were the descendants of the Khazars, “… can be dealt with very shortly, because there is little evidence which bears directly upon it, and it unavoidably retains the character of a mere assumption.”[41]

    Koestler himself was pro-Zionist based on secular considerations, and did not see alleged Khazar ancestry as diminishing the claim of Jews to Israel, which he felt was based on the United Nations mandate, and not on Biblical covenants or genetic inheritance. In his view, “The problem of the Khazar infusion a thousand years ago … is irrelevant to modern Israel”. In addition, he was apparently “either unaware of or oblivious to the use anti-Semites had made to the Khazar theory since its introduction at the turn of the century.”[42]

    Nevertheless, in the Arab world the Khazar theory still enjoys popularity among some anti-Zionists[24] and antisemites;[43] Such proponents argue that if Ashkenazi Jews are primarily Khazar and not Semitic in origin, they would have no historical claim to Israel, nor would they be the subject of God’s Biblical promise of Canaan to the Israelites, thus undermining the theological basis of both Jewish religious Zionists and Christian Zionists. In the 1970s and 80s the Khazar theory was also advanced by some Russian chauvinist antisemites, particularly the historian Lev Gumilyov, who portrayed “Judeo-Khazars” as having repeatedly sabotaged Russia’s development since the 7th century.[44]

    Bernard Lewis stated in 1999:

    This theory… is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics.[24]
    The Israeli historian Shlomo Sand explored the theme of the Khazar ancestry of the Ashkenazi Jews in his controversial book The Invention of the Jewish People, first published in 2008.[45][46] Sand claims that Israeli historians have marginalized the thesis of Khazar ancestry, and points out that from 1951 to the present, not a single historical work on the Khazars has been published in Hebrew.[47] Some historians have criticised the quality of Sand’s research; Simon Schama, in his review of Sand’s book, writes: “to argue that the entirety of Ashkenazi Jewry must necessarily descend from the Khazars is to make precisely the uncritical claim of uninterrupted genealogy Sand is eager to dispute in the wider context of Jewish history.[48] Anita Shapira wrote “Sand bases his arguments on the most esoteric and controversial interpretations, while seeking to undermine the credibility of important scholars by dismissing their conclusions without bringing any evidence to bear.”[49]

    [edit]DNA Evidence
    A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that “Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level… The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.”[50] According to Nicholas Wade “The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism.”[51]

    A 2001 study by Nebel et al. found Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (called Eu 19 in the paper), which are very frequent in Eastern European populations (54%-60%), at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow into Ashkenazi populations from surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the Ashkenazi Jews in Haplogroup R1a, and to a greater extent all Eastern European populations in general, might have some partial Khazar ancestry.[52]

    A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that “it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father.” They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a “a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status”, and that an alternate “attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century.” The concluded that “[a]lthough neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites.”[53]

    A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that “R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars”. They concluded “However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]

    [edit]Other claims of descent
    Others have claimed Khazar origins for such groups as the Karaim, Krymchaks, Mountain Jews, and Georgian Jews. There is little evidence to support any of these theories, although it is possible that some Khazar descendants found their way into these communities. Non-Jewish groups who claim at least partial descent from the Khazars include the Kumyks and Crimean Tatars; as with the above-mentioned Jewish groups, these claims are subject to a great deal of controversy and debate.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

  135. Table of failed predictions based on the Book of Revelation

    http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/y2k/ccon.htm

    Christian Confusion On End-Times Nonsense

    Christianity has never been immune from error in apocalyptic teachings that have continually led Christians astray. These errors of understanding have continually made a fool of Christian expectations, especially in this century. These errors have become so rooted into much Christian thinking on the End Time as to constitute an effective delusion in the church that undermines the credibility of real biblical Christianity before the world! Like it or not, the Second coming was a failed first century prophecy and just wont happen. With the events of September 11 the craze is on again. Will they continue to turn Jesus into a joke?

    Note: There is some confusion of events starting around 1800. The Western World was deluged with pseudo-science, Eastern religion, prophecy, faith healing, speaking in tongues, and all kinds of other occult nonsense became a craze. The most lasting effects was the creation of scores of new cults, pseudo-Christian cults, New Age cults, and all types of apocalypse nonsense which had invaded many older Protestant denominations. Most of what makes up the religious right and New Age religion today (including Satanism cults) originated in the 19th century.

    Below are more places to look into this. All of these kooks from 1800-1900 copied and stole from each other; you the reader can sort it out.

    A Chronology of Confusion

    Comments and additions from Mark
    The Adventists Churches and the End-Times
    Armageddon and All That Jazz
    Pastors Play Down End-Times Speculation
    Christian Confusion and the End-Times
    Charles Nelson Darby and the End-Times
    Y2K:
    Doomsday Prophecy For Environmentalists
    Terror attacks fueling end-time theologies
    Christian Confusion On End-Times Nonsense
    220 Dates for the End of the world!!! Date Setters!
    Jews speak on y2k hype
    Sullivan County emergency crews will be ready to roll in case of Y2K problems
    Survey suggests teens not worried about Y2K
    220 more examples of prophecy.

    1654
    Archbishop Ussher of Armagh fixes the date of Creation as 4004 BC (26th October at 9 AM), and the End as 1997 AD (6000 AM of the Great Week) when the Millennium begins. He claimed to know when the earth was created (4004 BC) and is still quoted by fundamentalists today.

    1774 Ann Lee (tongues-speaking Quaker) founds the United Society of Believers in Christ’s Second Appearing (Shakers) as the Millennial church in America (promoting celibacy). She declares herself to be the reincarnation of Christ and female aspect of God’s dual nature. The Shakers win the admiration of many for their inventiveness (the circular saw, screw propeller, rotary harrow, etc.), model farms and their orderly prosperous communities.
    1800 The Millennium does not arrive. New prophecy nuts come out in droves.
    1802
    Prophetess Joanna Southcott in England begins ‘sealing’ the ‘144 000′ elect for the End. Her thousands of followers include some Anglican clergy.

    1825
    Britain’s Rev Edward Irving predicts that Christ will return in 1864 (the Irvingites are the origin of the Catholic Apostolic Church, and today’s New Apostolic Church. The Old Apostolic Church is a South African break-away from this group).
    1826
    Edward Irving begins his “school of the prophets” focusing on end time issues.

    1829-1833
    Edward Irving, Henry Drummond, and John Nelson Darby develop the ‘pre-Tribulation Rapture’ theory of Christ’s Return. Darby (Plymouth Brethren) promotes the idea as part of a dispensational division of history. Through the Bible notes of a lawyer, C.I. Scofield, the Irving-Drummond-Darby ‘pre-Tribulation Rapture’ theory spreads among Christians to become the dominant End Time view in Christian circles in the 20th century.

    1832
    Latter Day Saints (Mormonism) founder, Joseph Smith of America, says:
    “I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following: Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.” (Doctrine & Covenants 130:14-15).
    Joseph Smith declared: “I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written–the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-five years old.” (History of the Church, Vol.5, pp.336-37).

    1844
    Joseph Smith dies without seeing the Lord’s Return or his 85th birthday.
    March 21st : William Miller, encouraged by some clergy, calculates this date as Christ’s Return. It fails and is recalculated as –
    October 22nd: The Return of Christ predicted by Miller’s Adventists (numbering about 100 000) fails again.

    1845
    The ‘Seventh-day’ Adventist movement, helped by Mrs Ellen G White as prophetess, develops the doctrine of the ‘mark of the Beast’ as Sunday-worship by a papal Antichrist in explanation of Christ’s so-called ‘delayed’ Return.

    1864
    Rev. Edward Irving’s predicted Return of Christ fails. (See 1825).

    1888 In France, General Boulanger is denounced by an un-named prophet from England as the Antichrist, claiming that his name in Greek has the numeric value of 666, and pedicts that Christ will return at 3 PM on March 5 that year.
    1889
    Rev. Michael Baxter, editor of the Christian Herald, announces in his book The End of This Age about the End of This Century that 1896 would witness the Rapture of 144 000 devout Christians, and that the world would end in 1901.

    1896
    Baxter’s Rapture does not happen. (See 1889).

    1901 Baxter’s Millennium does not come. (See 1889).
    1914
    Jehovah’s Witnesses’ predicted return of Christ fails, but they now change their teaching to an invisible Coming known only to true believers.

    1917
    May 13th: Three small children claim to have seen the Virgin Mary standing in an oak tree. On the 13th of each subsequent month until October crowds gather to see the vision but only the children claim to see her. They also claim that three prophecies are given, two revealed and a third kept secret in the Vatican. (See May 13, 2000).
    1959 April 22nd: hundreds of ‘Davidians’ (a break-away Seventh-day Adventist sect) at their 77 acre compound at Waco, Texas, await the Return of Christ, watched by a large crowd and the media. The expectation is broadcast across the United States – and fails. (See 1993, February 28th).
    1965
    July: self-styled prophet, William Branham, declares in response to California earthquake: “The Scripture reader or even a–a believer knows that we are now at the end of the history of the world. There will be no use of writing it, because there won’t be anybody to read it. It’s at the end of the time. …”
    1973
    This idiot is still at it!

    Hal Lindsey publishes in his best-selling book ‘Late Great Planet Earth’ that there will be only one generation between Israel’s new statehood and the End Time. Although he does not state the date he provides many of the arguments upon which the date 1988 is based.
    April: Rev. David Wilkerson claims a supernatural vision of imminent world-wide disaster of unprecedented proportions, economic collapse, famine, earthquakes, etc., in ‘this generation’, leading to Christ’s sudden evacuation of Christians and the rise of Antichrist. ‘More than one-third of the United States will be designated a disaster area within the next few years’.
    Roman Catholic Sister Agnes Katsuko at Akito, Japan, receives a message from the Virgin Mary, saying ‘Father God will inflict a punishment greater than the Deluge … Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, sparing neither priests nor the faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead.’ In anticipation of the year 2000. (TW Petrisko, Call of the Ages, Queenship, 1995, p.xxi)

    1978 November 18th: ‘Disciple’s of Christ’ church, ‘Peoples Temple’, Jonestown, Guyana, conducts a mass suicide of its 900 members (one third were under 18 years and so some probably murdered) because of a Federal investigation (they practised suicide procedures several times over the years as a sign of loyalty to the church). Pastor Jim Jones had warned his followers that a disastrous period of fascism, race war, and nuclear holocaust was coming. In the year of the suicide ‘Peoples Temple’ was the highest contributing church to their denomination.
    1980s Edgar Whisenant (former NASA engineer) publishes his book, 88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988.
    Hal Lindsey (of ‘The Late Great Planet Earth’) writes concerning the so-called ‘Jupiter Effect’ – ‘what we can expect in 1982 is the largest outbreak of killer quakes ever seen in the history of planet earth along with radical changes in climate’.
    1982
    Hal Lindsey’s ‘Jupiter Effect’ prediction fails. Should have seen Pat Robertson quoting this nut on TV!

    1988 Charles Taylor, American prophecy teacher, advertises a Holy Land tour with the incentive that by staying in a hotel on the Mount of Olives, ‘if this is the year of our Lord’s return, as we anticipate, you may even ascend to Glory from within a few feet of His ascension.’
    September 11/12 is expected as the date of the Rapture by Trinity Broadcasting Network, who cancel their regular programs and run videotapes instructing non-believers what to do if their families suddenly shoot up into the sky.
    September 29/30 is published by Hart Armstrong (chairman of ‘Christian Communications’) as a Rapture Alert date in his publications.
    October: Return of Christ as predicted by many Christian evangelicals fails (40 years (a ‘generation’) + 1948 (Israel’s statehood) = 1988).
    Christian evangelist George Curle predicts God’s judgement on Antichrist in 1999, the Tribulation in 2002, and Christ’s Return and the millennium of Israel in 2005: ‘the third Exodus for Israel and believing Gentiles will be accomplished in 2005 AD’.
    1991 Cape Town’s Rev. J.S. Malan predicts the beginning of the great Tribulation ‘op die laaste’ by September 1995 and Christ’s Return by 2002.
    1992 The Tami Church based in Seoul, South Korea, under pastor Lee Jang Rim, distributes the visions and prophecies of it’s world-wide membership indicating the Rapture will happen 28th October 1992. (the Millennium will begin 7 years later in 2000 AD).
    October 28th: 20 000 members of the ‘Mission for the Coming Days’ (Tami Church), spend the afternoon waiting for the Rapture, resulting in great public humiliation to Christians and the amusement of the world.
    1993 February 28th: Four American Federal Agents investigating illegal weapons are killed, 16 wounded, by ‘Davidians’ at Waco, Texas, thus initiating a siege of the premises (see 1959). The Davidians believe they are living in the days of the book of Revelation.
    March 11th: President Clinton is appealed to jointly by Revd’s Dunn (Baptist Joint Committee) and Kelley (National Council of Churches) to urgently demilitarized the Waco siege, as the ‘Davidian’ apocalyptic mentality would see it as ‘validation of their fondest prophecies … Whether it explodes or implodes, the result will be tragic for all’.
    April 19th: 6.00 AM Tear gassing of the Waco compound begins. Davidians fire at Federal Agents.
    12.05 PM The Waco Davidian compound bursts into flame accompanied by explosions and gunfire. 74 Davidians are found dead, including 21 children (10 under five years old).
    1995 Roman Catholic newspaper ‘Queen of Peace’ (Pittsburgh Centre for Peace, Spring, 1995) announces concerning the nearing third millennium, ‘The time has arrived’ … the long awaited ‘Era of Peace’ predicted at Fatima in 1917 is said to be about to occur. … The Virgin’s words indicate the face of the earth will be transformed. Like the ancient cities of Sodom or Gomorrah, some nations will even vanish. Others, like Russia, are promised to blossom with new splendour. Peace will rule and the Church will reign, Evil will be paralysed, and like an old well, it will dry up and almost vanish from the face of the earth.’
    September: Rev. Malan’s predicted start of the Tribulation and world rule of Anti-Christ fails (see 1991).
    1997 Marilyn J. Agee, with much Christian support, publishes her so-called Bible-based predictions, as:
    1998 ‘most likely May’ Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Bride of Christ
    2007 September 12 The end of this Age (Elul 29, 5767)
    September 13 The 2300th day of the Shortened Tribulation, Pre-Wrath Rapture of Tribulation Saints
    All Israel born-again in a day (who will live on into the Millennium) (Tishri 1, 5768).
    2008 April 6: the Return of our Lord Jesus Christ with His saints, first day of Jewish Regnal Year (Nisan 1, 5768).
    2008 May 30: Armageddon lasts 40 days and 40 nights, ends Friday (Iyar 25, 5768).
    2008 May 31: true world peace, the Millennium, begins (Iyar 26, 5768).
    November 6: Archbishop Ussher’s prediction fails (see 1654).
    But, Dr James McKeever (editor of the End Times News Digest) declares that the 6000 years of the Great Week could end ‘sometime between now and the year 2030′.
    1998 May: Marilyn Agee’s prediction of the Rapture of Christians fails!
    August 16: Samuel Doctorian announces to Christians at a Prayer Retreat on Patmos an encounter he had with the “five angels of the five continents” in his room on the island at 3:50 AM on Saturday June 20 1998 who revealed to him a program of world destruction starting immediately, during which the Christian church will be preserved. Financial crisis, nuclear holocaust, earthquakes over Asia killing millions, Australia will split and “a great part will go under the ocean”. Nuclear weapons used in general war throughout the whole Middle East (which he describes as a continent) causes huge loss of life. In Europe earthquakes and flooding, “millions drown”, Eiffel tower collapses, a “great part of Germany destroyed”, etc. In Africa, from Cape to Cairo, earthquakes to change river flow and drown many. “There shall be a trembling of the earth like has not been seen since the creation. None shall escape the sword of the Lord”. Millions die. “The final day has come. Judgement day is here.” In the Americas millions die, the Atlantic and the Pacific join together, “the Amazon river turning into a great sea”. “The angel said, ‘It is our message. You are the instrument, the channel. What a privilege that God has chosen you to give this message to the nations.’ I said, ‘Lord, Thy will be done’.”
    What a pity that this ultimate message was entrusted to someone with such limited communication skills, so that it was only announced 57 days later (more than eight weeks!). It could have helped many Christian pensioners to avoid loosing their life savings in the slide of many stock markets following the East Asian financial crisis of this year. Amazing!
    September 20: Robert Blake ‘This could see the start of the Final War, Armageddon, followed by the establishment of the Millennium in the year 2000.’
    1999 January 4th, The Interior Ministry of Israel orders the deportation of 11 members of an apocalyptic Christian cult under suspicion that they were planning to commit violent acts in Jerusalem at the close of 1999, Israel Radio, ‘Kol Yisrael’, reports. Three additional cult members will remain in Israel for questioning. The ‘Jerusalem Post’ reports that the Denver-based apocalyptic cult intended to provoke a shoot-out by opening fire on policemen, an act they believed would hasten the second coming of JESUS. A police statement said that “The arrests were carried out to protect certain sectors of the Israeli population and members of the cult themselves, who blindly follow” a leader who is now overseas. According to Israeli authorities, the leader, identified as Monte Kim Miller, has claimed that he is one of the final ‘two witnesses’ prophesied in the New Testament in Chapter 11 of the Book of Revelation, and is said to have told his followers that he would die in Jerusalem in December 1999 and be resurrected three days later.
    July-August: A note on Nostradamus (Michel de Notredame)
    Recent publications of Nostradamus’ ‘prophecies’ as applied to whatever is the current public concern are largely inventions of the various commentators/publishers and bear little relation to his 1555 and 1558 Centuries. (The title ‘Centuries’ merely refers to the grouping of his rhyming quatrains and has no reference to time).
    Evangelist Curle’s predictions begin to fail. (see 1988).
    July 7: Eileen Lakes – The pole-shift in July 1999 will immerse the world in the Water Baptism.(?) At 7 am GMT, according to Eileen, the world will turn 90 degrees to the right ‘very instantly’. Perhaps her own surname inspired her.
    August 24: Adrian Gilbert’s astrological calculation of the End fails.
    September 27: H.J. Hoekstra – The date of the Rapture! – Really?
    ‘Rosh Hashanah’ – Jack Van Impe’s date “…when this generation that lives to see ‘all these things’ comes to a glorious conclusion.” Van Impe then, in an attempt to avoid justified criticism, says “We’re not setting dates” (although it has the same effect), “but one has to admit – it’s interesting!” (Playing with words, Dr Jack, does not excuse misleading God’s people). (See 2001).
    2000
    April, Friday 17, Uganda: Leaders of a dissident Catholic apocalyptic sect (‘Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God’) burn 470 followers to death. The subsequent investigation exposes several mass murders by the sect’s priests, bring the total victims to above 900, and indicating that financial gain by the priests may have been the motive.
    May: Astrologists’ predicted apocalyptic disasters arising from a so-called “alignment” of the planets does not happen.
    Saturday 13, Rome: The Papacy announces the content of the third and secret ‘prophecy’ of Fatima, being one of danger to the pope amidst a field of corpses. (see 1917).
    September 6: Daniel Adam Millar – The peace accord between Israel and Palestine on September 13, 1993 marked the beginning of the seven-year tribulation. On September 6, 2000, the Antichrist will proclaim himself God, and begin the battle of Armageddon. (This Tribulation really needs to be renamed!).
    September 13: The House of Yahweh – The last seven years of human history began on September 13, 1993. Presumably, the final war will then begin sometime about September 13, 2000. (ditto).
    Another widely predicted Return of Christ fails (Sir Isaac Newton, et al).
    2001
    Jack Van Impe – This year will see the start of the Great Tribulation. Political chaos, natural disasters, nuclear war and the world-wide rise of Islam will usher in mankind’s final hour. (Apart from nuclear war, what’s new?). This is about as accurate as his Rosh Hashanah 1999 speculation!
    2002 Rev. Malan’s predicted Return of Christ is to fail. (see 1991).
    2007 Another predicted Return of Christ is to fail. (Based on the 40 years, a supposed ‘generation’, after the ‘Six Day War’ of 1967 which brought the ancient Temple site under Israeli political control).
    2013
    An asteroid larger than Jupiter will strike the earth. (If its an “asteroid” its in our solar system. If its as large as Jupiter how-come its invisible?). And so on …
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    Jewish ethnic divisions refers to a number of distinct communities within the world’s ethnically Jewish population. Although considered one single self-identifying ethnicity, there are distinct ethnic divisions among Jews, most of which are primarily the result of geographic branching from an originating Israelite population, and subsequent independent evolutions.[1]
    As long ago as Biblical times, cultural and linguistic differences between Jewish communities, even within the area of Ancient Israel and Judea, are observed both within the Bible itself as well as from archeological remains. In more recent human history, an array of Jewish communities were established by Jewish settlers in various places around the Old World, often at great distances from one another resulting in effective and often long-term isolation from each other. During the millennia of the Jewish diaspora the communities would develop under the influence of their local environments; political, cultural, natural and populational. Today, manifestation of these differences among the Jews can be observed in Jewish cultural expressions of each community, including Jewish linguistic diversity, culinary preferences, liturgical practices, religious interpretations, as well as degrees and sources of genetic admixture.
    Contents [hide]
    1 Historical background
    1.1 Ancient Israel and Judah
    2 Modern divisions
    2.1 Genetic studies of DNA
    3 Geographic distribution
    3.1 Europe
    3.1.1 The Caucasus and the Crimea
    3.2 North Africa, Middle East, Central Asia
    3.3 Sub-Saharan Africa
    3.4 South and East Asia
    3.5 Americas
    4 Israel; The Exiles Ingathered
    5 Statistics
    6 See also
    7 References
    [edit]Historical background

    [edit]Ancient Israel and Judah
    The full extent of the cultural, linguistic, religious or other differences among the Israelites in antiquity is unknown. Following the defeat of the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah, the Jewish people were dispersed throughout the Middle East, especially in Egypt, North Africa Yemen and Mesopotamia. By the height of the Roman Empire, Jewish communities could be found in nearly every notable settlement throughout the Empire, as well as scattered communities found in settlements beyond the Empire’s borders in northern Europe and in Africa. In the east, Jewish communities could be found throughout Persia and in empires even farther east including India and China. Jews could also be found in eastern Europe and southwestern Asia.
    In the late Byzantine period the khan of Khazaria in the northern Caucasus and his court converted to Judaism, partly in order to maintain neutrality between Christian Byzantium and the Muslim world. This event forms the framework for Yehuda Halevi’s work ‘The Kuzari’. How far traces of Judaism among this group survived the collapse of the Khazar empire is a matter of scholarly debate.
    Following the collapse of the Roman Empire, and especially after the Moorish invasion of Iberia, communications between the communities in various parts of the former Empire became sporadic. With increasing persecution in “Ashkenaz”—that is, the areas that are now northern France and Germany—masses of Jews began to move further to the east, where they were welcomed by the king of Poland. At the same time, as a result of the freer communications within the Muslim world, the communities in Iberia were in more frequent communication with those in North Africa and the Middle East. Meanwhile, communities further afield, in central and south Asia and central Africa, remained isolated and continued to develop their own unique traditions. Following the 1492 Expulsion from Spain, the Sephardim were dispersed to the Americas, the Netherlands, the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and in smaller numbers to other areas of the Middle East.
    Although the Jewish population was severely reduced by the Jewish-Roman Wars and the hostile policies of the Christian emperors,[2] Jews had always retained a presence in Palestine. In the 6th century, there were 43 Jewish communities in Palestine. During the Islam and Crusader periods, there were 50 communities which included Jerusalem, Tiberias, Ramleh, Ashkelon, Caesarea, and Gaza. During the early Ottoman Period there were 30 communities which included Haifa, Shechem, Hebron, Ramleh, Jaffa, Gaza, Jerusalem, and many in the north, the most dominant one being Safed which reached a population of 30,000 Jews by end of the 16th century.
    Over the centuries following the Crusades, Jews from around the world began emigrating in increasing numbers. Upon arrival, these Jews adopted the customs of the Mizrahi and Sephardi communities into which they moved. With Baron von Rothschild’s philanthropic land purchases and subsequent efforts to turn Palestine into a verdant Jewish homeland, and the subsequent rise of Zionism, a flood of Ashkenazi immigration brought the Jewish population of the region to several hundred thousand.
    [edit]Modern divisions

    Geographic illustration of the major Jewish ethnic divisions in Afro-Eurasia c. 1490 AD
    Historically, Jews have been identified into two major groups: the Ashkenazim, or “Germanics” (“Ashkenaz” meaning “Germany” in Medieval Hebrew, denoting their Central European base), and the Sephardim, or “Hispanics” (“Sefarad” meaning “Hispania” or “Iberia” in Hebrew, denoting their Spanish and Portuguese base). The Mizrahim, or “Easterners” (“Mizrach” being “East” in Hebrew), that is Middle Eastern and North African Jews, could constitute a third major group.
    Smaller Jewish groups include the Georgian Jews and Mountain Jews from the Caucasus; Indian Jews including the Bene Israel, Bnei Menashe, Cochin Jews and Bene Ephraim; the Romaniotes of Greece; the ancient Italian Jewish community; the Teimanim from the Yemen and Oman; various African Jews, including most numerously the Beta Israel of Ethiopia; the Bukharan Jews of Central Asia; and Chinese Jews, most notably the Kaifeng Jews, as well as various other distinct but now extinct communities.
    The divisions between all these groups are rough and their boundaries aren’t solid. The Mizrahim for example, are a heterogeneous collection of North African and Middle Eastern Jewish communities which are often as unrelated to each other as they are to any of the earlier mentioned Jewish groups. In modern usage, however, the Mizrahim are also termed Sephardi due to similar styles of liturgy, despite independent evolutions from Sephardim proper. Thus, among Mizrahim there are Iraqi Jews, Egyptian Jews, Tunisian Jews,, Algerian Jews , Moroccan Jews Lebanese Jews, Kurdish Jews, Libyan Jews, Syrian Jews, and various others. The Yemenite Jews (“Teimanim”) from Yemen and Oman are sometimes included, although their style of liturgy is unique and they differ in respect to the admixture found among them to that found in Mizrahim. Additionally, there is a difference between the pre-existing Middle Eastern and North African Jewish communities as distinct from the descendants of those Sephardi migrants who established themselves in the Middle East and North Africa after the expulsion of the Jews from Spain by the Catholic Monarchs in 1492, and a few years later from the expulsion decreed in Portugal.
    Despite this diversity, Ashkenazi Jews represent the bulk of modern Jewry, estimated at between 70% and 80% of Jews worldwide[3][4] (and up to 90% prior to World War II and the Holocaust)[3]. As a result of their emigration from Europe during the wartime periods, Ashkenazim also represent the overwhelming majority of Jews in the New World continents and in countries previously without native Jewish communities, such as the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Argentina, Australia, Brazil and South Africa, with Venezuela and Panama being an exception since Sefaradim compose the majority of the Jewish communities in these two countries. In France, Mizrahi immigrants from North Africa and their descendants now outnumber pre-existing European Jews. Only in Israel is the Jewish population representative of all groups, a melting pot independent of each group’s proportion within the overall world Jewish population.
    [edit]Genetic studies of DNA
    See also: Y-chromosomal Aaron, Genealogical DNA test, and Matrilineality
    Main article: Genetic studies on Jews
    Despite the evident diversity displayed by the world’s distinct Jewish populations, both culturally and physically, genetic studies have demonstrated most of these to be genetically related to one another, having ultimately originated from a common ancient Israelite population that underwent geographic branching and subsequent independent evolutions.[5]
    A study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that “the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population”, and stated that “The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.”.[5] Researchers expressed surprise at the remarkable genetic uniformity they found among modern Jews, no matter where the diaspora has become dispersed around the world.[5]
    Moreover, DNA tests have demonstrated substantially less inter-marriage in most of the various Jewish ethnic divisions over the last 3,000 years than in other populations.[6] The findings lend support to traditional Jewish accounts accrediting their founding to exiled Israelite populations, and counters theories that many or most of the world’s Jewish populations were founded by entirely gentile populations that adopted the Jewish faith, as in the notable case of the historic Khazars.[6][7] Although groups such as the Khazars could have been absorbed into modern Jewish populations — in the Khazars’ case, absorbed into the Ashkenazim — it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Ashkenazi Jews, and much less that they were the genesis of the Ashkenazim.[8]
    Even the archetype of Israelite-origin is also beginning to be reviewed for some Jewish populations amid newer studies. Previously, the Israelite origin identified in the world’s Jewish populations was attributed only to the males who had migrated from the Middle East and then forged the current known communities with “the women from each local population whom they took as wives and converted to Judaism”.[9] Research in Ashkenazi Jews has suggested that, in addition to the male founders, significant female founder ancestry might also derive from the Middle East, with about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population descended matrilineally from just four women, or “founder lineages”, that were “likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool” originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE.[9]
    Points in which Jewish groups differ is largely in the source and proportion of genetic contribution from host populations.[10][11] As examples, the Teimanim differ from other Mizrahim, as well as from Ashkenazim, in the proportion of sub-Saharan African gene types which have entered their gene pools.[10] Among Yemenites, the average stands at 35% lineages within the past 3,000 years.[10] Yemenite Jews, as a traditionally Arabic-speaking community of local Yemenite and Israelite ancestries,[11] are included within the findings, though they average a quarter of the frequency of the non-Jewish Yemenite sample.[10] In Ashkenazi Jews, the proportion of male indigenous European genetic admixture amounts to around 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, and a total admixture estimate around 12.5%.[5] The only exception to this amongst Jewish communities is in the Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews); a 1999 genetic study came to the conclusion that “the distinctiveness of the Y-chromosome haplotype distribution of Beta Israel Jews from conventional Jewish populations and their relatively greater similarity in haplotype profile to non-Jewish Ethiopians are consistent with the view that the Beta Israel people descended from ancient inhabitants of Ethiopia who converted to Judaism.”[12][13] Another 2001 study did, however, find a possible genetic similarity between 11 Ethiopian Jews and 4 Yemenite Jews from the population samples.[14]
    DNA analysis further determined that modern Jews of the priesthood tribe — “Cohanim” — share a common ancestor dating back about 3,000 years.[15] This result is consistent for all Jewish populations around the world.[15] The researchers estimated that the most recent common ancestor of modern Cohanim lived between 1000 BCE (roughly the time of the Biblical Exodus) and 586 BCE, when the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple.[16] They found similar results analyzing DNA from Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews.[16] The scientists estimated the date of the original priest based on genetic mutations, which indicated that the priest lived roughly 106 generations ago, between 2,650 and 3,180 years ago depending whether one counts a generation as 25 or 30 years.[16]
    [edit]Geographic distribution

    Maltese Jews in Valletta, early 19th century

    Sephardi Jewish family descendants of Spanish expellees in Bosnia, 19th century

    An Indian Jewish family in Cochin, India, circa 1900

    Young Ashkenazi Jewish followers of the minority Haredi sect of Judaism, Jerusalem, 2005

    Ethiopian Jewish women at Jerusalem’s Western Wall, 2006

    Jews of the Atlas Mountains in North Africa, circa 1900

    Bukharan Jewish teacher and students in Samarkand, modern-day Uzbekistan, circa 1910

    Chinese Jews from the city of Kaifeng, China, circa 1900

    Kurdish Jews in Rawanduz, Iraqi Kurdistan, 1905

    Juhur Imuni (Mountain Jews) girls of the Caucasus, 1913
    Because of the independence of local communities, Jewish ethnicities, even when they circumscribe differences in liturgy, language, cuisine and other cultural accoutrements, are more often a reflection of geographic and historical isolation from other communities. It is for this reason that communities are referred to by referencing the historical region in which the community cohered when discussing their practices, regardless of where those practices are found today.
    The smaller groups number in the hundreds to tens of thousands, with the Georgian Jews (also known as Gruzinim or Qartveli Ebraeli) and Beta Israel being most numerous at somewhat over 100,000 each. Many members of these groups have now emigrated from their traditional homelands, largely to Israel. For example, only about 10 percent of the Gruzinim remain in Georgia.
    The Jewish communities of the modern world can all be found represented today in Israel, which is as much a melting pot as it is a salad bowl of different Jewish ethnic groups.
    A brief description of the extant communities, by the geographic regions with which they are associated, is as follows:
    [edit]Europe
    Ashkenazim are the descendants of Jews who migrated into northern France and Germany around 800-1000 AD, and later into Eastern Europe. Ashkenazim comprise the overwhelming majority of Jews, with approximately 80 percent of the Jewish total (prior to the Holocaust, they were an even greater percentage of world Jewry). Even among the Ashkenazim there are a number of major subgroups:
    Western Jews, stemming from northern France, from the Lowlands, historical Germany, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Switzerland, and Scandinavia, originally spoke Western Yiddish, which had less slavic influence than other Yiddish dialects. By the early 20th century, Yiddish was in decline in this population, and assimilation was proceeding rapidly. In Israel, a sometimes derogatory term for these Jews (also applied to Austrian Oberlander Jews), is Yekkes.
    Oberlander, originating in the Oberland region of Hungary and the district surrounding Bratislava in Slovakia, originally spoke western Yiddish. In modern times before the Holocaust, many Oberlander Jews migrated to urban centers of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and adopted German or Hungarian as their first language.
    Polish Jews, from Congress Poland.
    Central (Galitzianers) from Hungary, south-western Poland, western Ukraine and northern Serbia
    Lithuanian Jews (“Litvak Jews”), (North-eastern Europe)
    Southeastern, predominantly from Ukraine, Moldova and Romania
    Romaniotes are Greek-speaking Jews from the Balkans that lived there from the Hellenistic era until today.
    Sephardim are Jews whose ancestors lived in Spain or Portugal, where they lived for possibly as much as two millennia before being expelled in 1492 by the Catholic Monarchs (see Alhambra decree); they subsequently migrated to the Islamic North African Maghreb and Ottoman Empire (both at the time considered safe havens for Jews). In the Ottoman Empire the Sephardim mostly settled in the European portion of the Empire, and mainly in the major cities such as Constantinople, Thessaloniki, Sarajevo, Monastir – modern-day Bitola in the Republic of Macedonia, Sofia and other cities in Bulgaria, and Bursa. Prior to World War II, Thessaloniki, which today is the second largest city in Greece, had a large and flourishing Sephardic community of approximately 50,000. Another was the community of Maltese Jews in Malta. Others settled in Italy and the Netherlands, and Latin America. Among those who settled in the Netherlands, some would again relocate to the United States, establishing the countries first organized community of Jews and erecting the the United States’ first synagogue. Other Sephardim remained in Spain and Portugal as anusim (forced converts to Catholicism), which would also be the fate for those who had migrated to Spanish and Portuguese ruled Latin America.
    Spanish and Portuguese Jews Nação – West Europe Sephardim
    Iberian Crypto-Jews – Belmonte Jews of Portugal, the Xuetes of Balearic Islands.
    Bené Roma or Italkim represent many of the Italian Jews, though Italy also has both Ashkenazic and Sephardic communities.
    Chuts were Dutch Jews, observing an amalgam of Ashkenazi and Sephardi customs, living in London, although this community has almost completely been lost to history.
    San Nicandro Jews – A group of mid-20th century converts from Italy.
    [edit]The Caucasus and the Crimea
    Qartveli Ebraeli, or Gruzinim, are Georgian-speaking Jews from Georgia in the Caucasus.
    Juhurim are mountain Jews mainly from Daghestan and Azerbaijan in the eastern Caucasus.
    Krymchaks and Karaim are Turkic-speaking Jews of the Crimea and Eastern Europe. The Krymchaks practice Rabbinic Judaism, while the Karaim practice Karaite Judaism. Whether they are primarily the descendants of Israelite Jews who adopted Turkic language and culture, or the descendants of Turkic converts to Judaism, is still debated, although the question is irrelevant as far as Jewish law is concerned, according to which they are Jews, regardless of whether by Israelite descent or by conversion.
    The 750 Armenian Jews today comprise a minuscule remnant of an ancient population dating back over 2,500 years, and once numbering as many as 100,000.
    Subbotniks are a dwindling group of Jews from Azerbaijan and Armenia, whose ancestors were Russian peasants who converted to Judaism for unknown reasons in the 19th century.[17]
    [edit]North Africa, Middle East, Central Asia
    Jews originating from Muslim lands are generally called by the catch-all term Mizrahi Jews, more precise terms for particular groups are:
    Bukharian Jews are Jews from Central Asia. They get their name from the former Central Asian Emirate of Bukhara, which once had a large Jewish population.
    Maghrebim or Maaravim are the Jews from the Maghreb in North Africa and are mostly made up of Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews. The Mizrahi Jews were present since Antiquity , a lot of Jews settled in Lybia, Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco after Jerusalem’s rebellions. Laterly, the communities became even bigger, when the Jews of Al Andalus (Spain) had been expulsed out by Catholic Kings arrived and imposed their liturgy and their upper-class rabbins. North Africa had the largest Jewish community of the Arab world.
    Iraqi Jews are descendants of the Jews who have lived in Mesopotamia since the time of the Assyrian conquest of Samaria
    Kurdish Jews from Kurdistan, as distinct from the Persian Jews of central and eastern Persia, as well as from the lowland Iraqi Jews of Mesopotamia.
    Persian Jews from Iran (commonly called Parsim in Israel) have a 2700-year history. One of the oldest Jewish communities of the world, Persian Jews constitute the largest Jewish community in the Middle East outside Israel.
    Yemenite Jews (Temanim) are Oriental Jews whose geographic and social isolation from the rest of the Jewish community allowed them to develop a liturgy and set of practices that are significantly distinct from other Oriental Jewish groups; they themselves comprise three distinctly different groups, though the distinction is one of religious law and liturgy rather than of ethnicity.
    Palestinian Jews are Jewish inhabitants of Palestine throughout certain periods of Middle Eastern history. After the modern State of Israel was born, nearly all native Palestinian Jews became citizens of Israel, and the term “Palestinian Jews” largely fell into disuse.
    Egyptian Jews are generally Jews thought to have descended from the great Jewish communities of Hellenistic Alexandria, mixed with many more recent groups of immigrants. These include Babylonian Jews following the Muslim conquest; Jews from Palestine following the Crusades; Sephardim following the expulsion from Spain; Italian Jews settling for trading reasons in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries; and Jews from Aleppo in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
    Lebanese Jews are the Jews that lived around Beirut. After the Lebanese Civil War, the community’s emigration appears to have been completed; few remain in Lebanon today.
    Moroccan Jews are Jews from the North African country of Morocco. Today they are largely considered Sephardic Jews, though most are likely the descendants of both the pre-existing Tochavim Jews and later Spanish and Portuguese Jews (ie. Sephardim) fleeing from the Spanish Inquisition in 1492.
    Omani Jews are the early Jewish community of Sohar. They are thought to be descendants of Ishaq bin Yahuda, a Sohari merchant around the first millennium. This community is believed to have disappeared by 1900.
    Syrian Jews are generally divided into two groups: those who inhabited Syria from the time of King David (1000 B.C.), and those who fled to Syria after the Spanish Inquisition (1492 A.D), at the invitation of the Ottoman sultan. There were large communities in both Aleppo and Damascus for centuries. In the early 20th century a large percentage of Syrian Jews emigrated to the U.S., South America, and Israel. Today there are almost no Jews left in Syria. The largest Syrian-Jewish community is located in Brooklyn, New York, and is estimated at 40,000.
    [edit]Sub-Saharan Africa
    Main article: Jews and Judaism in Africa
    Abayudaya of Uganda
    Beta Israel or Falashim of Ethiopia, tens of thousands of whom were brought to Israel during Operation Solomon and Operation Moses. Studies have thus far considered them to be descendants of local Ethiopian conversions[18] which occurred over 600 years ago.
    Descendants of the Jews of the Bilad el-Sudan (West Africa). Jews whose ancestry was derived from the communities that once existed in the Ghana, Mali, and Songhay Empire. Anusim in and around Mali who descend from Jewish migrations from North Africa, East Africa, and Spain.
    The House of Israel, several hundred Sefwi tribesmen in Ghana
    The emergent Igbo Jewish community of Nigeria, perhaps as many as 30,000 strong (although many of them maintain a belief in the Messiahship of Jesus and adhere to basic tenets of Christianity that are mutually exclusive of normative Judaism).
    The Lemba in Malawi which number as many as 40,000. This group claims descent from ancient Israelite tribes that migrated down to southern Africa via southern Arabia. Genetic testing has partially upheld these claims[19]. Many are now moving toward practising normative Judaism.
    The Jews of Rusape, Zimbabwe, also claim descent from ancient Jewish communities. Although they held a belief in Jesus as a prophet, the community is now shifting towards mainstream Judaism and abandoning their belief in Jesus. They are not considered as Jews by most of the Jewish world.
    South African Jews make up the largest community of Jews in Africa. Dutch Sephardic Jews were among the first permanent residents of Cape Town when the city was founded by the VOC in 1652. Today, however, most of South Africa’s Jews are Ashkenazi and, in particular, of Lithuanian descent.
    Communities also existed in São Tomé e Príncipe, descended from Portuguese Jewish youths expelled during the Inquisition.
    [edit]South and East Asia
    Bene Israel are the Jews of Mumbai, India, most of whom now reside in Israel.
    Cochin Jews are also Indian Jews from south-western India, most of whom also now reside in Israel. Included among these are the Paradesi Jews.
    Syrian Malabar Nasranis (or Nasranis) are Christians in south-western India who trace their origins to early Nazarene Jews. They are Jews by genealogy and descent and also related to the Cochin Jews and to Ashkenazi Jews as proved recently by DNA studies on the community. Some of them also are reported to carry the Cohen gene marker, Cohen Modal Haplotype, indicating Aaronic descent for some.
    Baghdadi Jews [2] Those Jews came from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Arab countries who settled in India in 18th century.
    Bnei Menashe. A group of Jews living in Manipur and Mizoram in north-eastern India, claiming descent from the dispersed Biblical Tribe of Menasseh.
    Bene Ephraim, the Telugu-speaking Jews of Kottareddipalem in Andhra Pradesh, India.
    Chinese Jews: most prominent were the Kaifeng Jews, an ancient Jewish community in China, descended from merchants living in China from at least the era of the Tang dynasty. Today functionally extinct, although several hundred descendants have recently begun to explore and reclaim their heritage.
    Pakistani Jews: There was a thriving Jewish community in Pakistan particularly around the city of Karachi but also in other urban areas up north such as in Peshawer and Lahore. The origins of the Jewish community was mixed with some being Bene Israel, Bukharan Jews and Baghdadi Jews. In the late 1980s and 1990s, Jewish refugees from Iran had also came via Pakistan’s Balochistan province and reached Karachi until the Iranian government closed down the operation. Most of Pakistan’s Jewish community has not relocated to Israel and Pakistan’s Jewish population is believed to number around 700.
    [edit]Americas
    Most Jewish communities in the Americas are descendants of Jews who found their way there at different times of modern history. The great majority of recognized Jews on both the North American and South American continents are Ashkenazi, particularly among Jews in the United States. There are also Sephardi, Mizrahim and other diaspora groups represented (as well as mixes of any or all of these) as mentioned above. Some unique communities associated with the Americas include:
    Hispanic Crypto-Jews are the descendants of Sephardi immigrants to the New World escaping the Spanish Inquisition in Spain and Portugal. Following the establishment of the Inquisition in the Iberian colonies, again they hid their ancestry and beliefs. Their numbers are difficult to ascertain as most are at least nominally Catholic, having been forcefully converted, converted for forms sake, or married into the religion. Collectively, people of Jewish descent in Latin America could surpass the millions. Most would be of mixed ancestry, although a few claim some communities may have been able to maintain a degree of endogamy (marrying only other Crypto-Jews) throughout the centuries. They may or may not consider themselves Jewish, some may continue to preserve some of their Jewish heritage in secrecy, many others may not even be aware of it. The majority would not be halakhically Jewish, but small numbers of various communities have formally returned to Judaism over the past decade, legitimizing their status as Jews. See also Anusim.
    Amazonian Jews are the mixed descendants of Moroccan Jewish communities in Belém, Santarém, Manaus, Iquitos, Tarapoto and many river villages in the Amazon basin in Brazil and Peru.
    Iquitos Jews are the “accidental” descendants of mostly Moroccan Jewish traders and tappers who arrived in the Peruvian Amazon city of Iquitos during the rubber boom of the 1880s. Since their Jewish descent was patrilineal (Jewish traders had been all males who coupled up with local mestizo or Amerindian females), their Jewishness is not recognised according to halakha. An enduring casta system stemming from the colonial period has resulted in virtually no interaction between the Iquitos Jews and the small, mostly Ashkenazi Jewish, population concentrated in Lima (under 3,000) who are integrated into Lima’s elite white minority. Thanks to efforts made by Israeli outreach programmes, some have formally returned to Judaism, made aliyah and now live in Israel.
    B’nai Moshe are converts to Judaism originally from Trujillo, Peru. They are also known as Inca Jews, a name derived from the fact that they can trace indigenous Amerindian descent, as most are mestizos (persons of both Spanish and Amerindian descent) though none with any known ancestors from other Jewish communities. Again, there is no interaction between Peru’s small Ashkenazi population and the Inca Jews. At the neglect of the Ashkenazi community, the conversions were conducted under the auspices of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel. Most have made aliyah and now live in Israel, while a few hundred more of the same community are awaiting conversions.
    Veracruz Jews are a recently emergent community of Jews in Veracruz, Mexico. Whether they are gentile converts to Judaism or descendants of anusim returning to Judaism is speculative. Most claim they descend from anusim.
    [edit]Israel; The Exiles Ingathered

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    By the time the State of Israel was proclaimed, the majority of Jews in the state and the region were Ashkenazi. Following the declaration of the state, a flood of Jewish migrants and refugees entered Israel from the Arab world and the Muslim world in general. Most were Sephardim and Mizrahim, Jews from the Maghreb, Yemenite Jews, Bukhorim, Persian Jews, Iraqi Jews, Kurdish Jews, and smaller communities, principally from Libya, Egypt and Turkey. More recently, other communities have also arrived including Ethiopian Jews and Indian Jews. Because of the relative homogeneity of Ashkenazic Jewry, especially by comparison to the diversity of the many smaller communities, over time in Israel, all Jews from Europe came to be called “Ashkenazi” in Israel, whether or not they had any connection with Germany, while Jews from Africa and Asia have come to be called “Sephardi”, whether or not they had any connection with Spain. One reason is that most African and Asian Jewish communities use the Sephardic prayer ritual and abide by the rulings of Sephardic rabbinic authorities, and therefore consider themselves to be “Sephardim” in the broader sense of “Jews of the Spanish rite”, though not in the narrower sense of “Spanish Jews”. Similarly “Ashkenazim” has the broader sense of “Jews of the German rite”.
    The founders of modern Israel, mostly European-descended people, believed themselves superior to these new arrivals. With higher degrees of Western-standard education, they were better positioned to take full advantage of the emerging Western-style liberal democracy and Western mode of living which they themselves had established as the cultural norm in Palestine during the pre-state era.
    Cultural and/or “racial” biases against the newcomers were compounded by the fledgling state’s lack of financial resources and inadequate housing to handle the massive population influx. Thus, hundreds of thousands of new Sephardic immigrants were sent to live in tent cities in outlying areas. Sephardim (in its wider meaning) were often victims of discrimination, and were sometimes called schwartze (meaning “black” in Yiddish).
    Worse than housing discrimination was the differential treatment accorded the children of these immigrants, many of whom were tracked by the largely European education establishment into dead-end “vocational” schools, without any real assessment of their intellectual capacities. Mizrahi Jews protested their unfair treatment, and even established the Israeli Black Panthers movement with the mission of working for social justice.
    The effects of this early discrimination still linger a half-century later, as documented by the studies of the Adva Center [20], a think tank on social equality, and by other Israeli academic research (cf., for example, Tel Aviv University Professor Yehuda Shenhav’s article in Hebrew documenting the gross underrepresentation of Sephardic Jewry in Israeli high school history textbooks,[21]. Every Israeli prime minister has been Ashkenazi, although Sephardim and Mizrahim have attained the (ceremonial) presidency and other high positions. The student bodies of Israel’s universities remain overwhelmingly European in origin, despite the fact that roughly half the country’s population is non-European. And the tent cities of the 1950s morphed into so-called “development towns”. Scattered over border areas of the Negev Desert and the Galilee, far from the bright lights of Israel’s major cities, most of these towns never had the critical mass or ingredients to succeed as places to live, and they continue to suffer from high unemployment, inferior schools, and chronic brain drain.
    While the Israeli Black Panthers no longer exist,[21] the Mizrahi Democratic Rainbow Coalition and many other NGOs carry on the struggle for equal access and opportunity in housing, education, and employment for the country’s underprivileged populace – still largely composed of Sephardim and Mizrahim, joined now by newer immigrants from Ethiopia and the Caucasus Mountains.
    Intermarriage of all these regathered Jewish ethnic groups was initially uncommon, due in part to distances of each group’s settlement in Israel, and cultural and/or “racial” biases. In recent generations, however, the barriers were lowered by state sponsored assimilation of all the Jewish ethnic groups into a common Sabra (native-born Israeli) identity which facilitated extensive “mixed-marriages”.
    [edit]Statistics

    The ethnic division of The Jewish population of Israel (including non Halackic Russians) as of 2008 is as follows.
    Ethnic Makeup of Jewish Population of Israel[citation needed]
    TOTAL 5,818,000 100%
    Mizrahi Jews and Sephardic Jews 2,921,000 50.2%
    Morocco 800,000 15.2%
    Iraq 404,000 7.7%
    Yemen 295,000 4.9%
    Iran 236,000 4.0%
    Algeria/Tunisia 224,000 3.8%
    Other Asia 150,000 2.5%
    Turkey 147,000 2.5%
    Libya 136,000 2.3%
    Egypt 112,000 1.9%
    Other Asia 200,000 1.7%
    India/Pakistan 76,000 1.3%
    Latin America 25,000 0.04%
    Other Africa (Not South Africa) 3,000 0.05%
    Beta Israel 130,000 2.2%
    Ethiopia 130,000 2.2%
    Ashkenazi Jews 2,767,000 47.5%
    Russia 1,018,000 20.9%
    Poland 400,000 8.3%
    Romania 351,000 7.6%
    Other Europe 168,000 3.7%
    North America (Including 4,000 African American Black Hebrews) 165,000 2.8%
    Germany/Austria 160,000 2.7%
    Latin America 82,000 1.4%
    Bulgaria/Greece 97,000 1.9%
    Hungary 63,000 1.3%
    Czechoslovakia 60,000 1.2%
    South Africa 20,000 0.4%
    The errors occurring due to these calculations were:
    There was no distinction made between Sephardim and Ashkenazim. (If the Sephardim, Mountain Jews and other non-Ashkenazi groups are included in Mizrachim, then Mizrachim will outnumber Ashkenazim by a margin of 52 to 48).
    Many Sephardim from Turkey were counted as Mizrachim.
    Mountain Jews, Georgian Jews and Bukharan Jews who together constitute ~15% of FSU Jews counted as Ashkenazim until 1996 (until 1996, Central Asia and the Caucasian Republics were counted as part of Europe. After 1996, from 1997 onwards they were counted as part of Asia).
    The Harbin Jews (~1,000) from China counted as Mizrachim, although they were Russian speaking Ashkenazim.
    After 1996, Russian speaking Ashkenazim from Kazakhstan, Kyrghizia and Armenia counted as Mizrachim.
    Close to 20,000 South African Jews were classified as Mizrachim, although almost all of them are Ashkenazim (Lithuanian, English and Afrikaans speaking).
    A few hundred Black Hebrews from the United States were classified as Ashkenazim.
    All Jews from Latin America were classified as Ashkenazim, although significant numbers are Sephardim (15-20% in Argentina and Mexico, 20%+ in Brazil, similar percentages in other countries). Close to three fifths of the Latin American Jews in Israel are Argentine, with one tenth each from Uruguay and Brazil.
    86,000 Bulgarian/Greek Jews are classified as Ashkenazim, although the majority are Sephardim/Romaniotes.
    Jews whose Jewishness was not recognized were not counted; almost all of them were Ashkenazim (~275,000 in 2007).
    [edit]See also

    Jews by country
    History of the Jews
    Jews and Judaism in the African diaspora
    Lost Tribes of Israel
    Harry Ostrer
    [edit]References

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    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

  137. The above article was inserted as background for anyone who has an interest in investigating the range of ethnicities among Jewish populations, as you can see, it is quite extensive.

    A related question is “Who is a Jew?” and this is a controversial issue, since different outlooks exist among practicing Jews, e.g., Conservative and Reformed, and further the nation of Israel has had to contend with this issue, since it bears on the “right of return”.

    To summary my view, Who is a Jew, and “who will be granted the right of return by the Israeli government” are two different universes of populations.

    From my perspective it is an issue touching on identity and sociology, and the following quote from the Wikipedia frames the issue loosely;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

    Sociology and anthropology

    As with any other ethnic identity, Jewish identity is, in some degree a matter of claiming that identity and/or being perceived by others (both inside and outside the ethnic group) as belonging to that group. Returning again to the example of Madeleine Albright, during her Catholic childhood her being in some sense Jewish was presumably irrelevant. It was only after she was nominated to be Secretary of State that she, and the public, discovered her Jewish ancestry.
    Ido Abram claims that there are five aspects to contemporary Jewish identity:
    Religion, culture, and tradition.
    The tie with Israel and Zionism.
    Dealings with anti-Semitism, including issues of persecution and survival.
    Personal history and life-experience.
    Relationship with non-Jewish culture and people.[71][72]
    The relative importance of these factors may vary enormously from place to place. For example, a typical Dutch Jew might describe his or her Jewish identity simply as “I was born Jewish,” while a Jew in Romania, where levels of anti-Semitism are higher, might say, “I consider any form of denying as a proof of cowardice.”[73]

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

  138. Above I castigated Ron for his naive views about Christianity, and I would invite him and everyone else to check out the on-line text by David Livingston, who provides an encyclopedic review of the past 3000 years of mankind’s religious, ethnic and philosophic history and what a long, twisted tale it is.

    One of his books, the entire test on “Terrorism and the Illuminati” is online, for the free reading, closed minds need not bother, it will not reinforce your racial, religious, or ethnic prejudices.

    Now, quoting David Livingston on the original topic;

    http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/ashkenazi

    “Arthur Koestler, in The Thirteenth Tribe, popularized the theory that the majority of European Ashkenazi Jews are in fact not descended from the ancient inhabitants of Israel, but from Khazarian converts to Judaism. The term “Ashkenaz” describes a relatively compact area of Jewish settlement in northwestern Europe, including northeastern France and northern Germany, where Jewish settlement is documented dating back to at least the sixth century AD. The traditional explanation of East European Jewish origins was that most Ashkenazi Jews reached Poland and Russia from Germany, and Germany from France.

    Modern genetic studies, however, have proven Koestler’s theory incorrect. Studies of mitochondrial DNA have demonstrated that Ashkenazi Jewish communities in Europe were composed mostly through intermarriage of Jewish men with women of European descent. The reason is that Radhanites, Persian Jewish merchants, had migrated to Poland or Germany or France, since the fifth century AD, where they mostly married into those communities for hundreds of years. The Proceedings of the National Academy of Science report, appears to bear out that Ashkenazi Jews must have arrived in Eastern Europe, not from the west and southwest, but from the south and east, that is, via northern Italy and the Balkans, Asia Minor and the Greek Byzantine empire, the Volga kingdom of the Khazars, or a combination of all three.[24]

    The non-Israelite haplogroups include Q, which is typically Central Asian, and R1a1, which is typically Eastern European. Q is considered by researcher Doron Behar to constitute a minor founding lineage among Jewish populations. Approximately five to ten percent of Ashkenazi Jews today are in this haplogroup, and it originated in Central Asia. It is an extremely rare haplogroup in both Europe and the Middle East, found only Scandinavia, and the few countries that Khazars were known to have migrated to, like Poland, Hungary and Lithuania.[25]

    However, it has also been found that about half of Ashkenazi Levites possess Eastern European non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup, which is typically Eastern European. The Levites are particularly interesting because, among them, it is the Cohens, or Kohamin, for whom the office of priest has traditionally been reserved. Levitical status is generally determined by oral tradition, passed from father to son, with children being Levites if their father and grandfather was. Until the eighteenth century in Europe, many Cohens could accurately trace their lineage back to a verifiable Kohamin such as Ezra. Today, families may verify their priestly lineage via the tombstones of deceased ancestors, as the universal symbol of the hands arranged for the Priestly Blessing. This is the hand gesture porpularized as Spock’s Vulcan salute in Stark Trek. Some scholars maintain, however, that because of the destruction of Jerusalem’s temple and the unavailability of lineage records, there is now no way to establish who is a Levite reliably.”

    This is a very small excerpt on the topic, go to the link, see for yourself.

    In contrast we have the scientific studies of Levite descendence, in DNA and Tradition: The Genetic Link to the Ancient Hebrews, in the next post.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

  139. DNA and Tradition: The Genetic Link to the Ancient Hebrews (Paperback)
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    Here is an on line book review.

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    The Cohanim – DNA Connection

    The fascinating story of how DNA studies confirm an ancient biblical tradition.
    by Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman

    Dr. Karl Skorecki, a Cohen of Eastern European parents, was attending synagogue one morning. The Cohen called up for the Torah reading that morning was a Jew of Sephardic background, whose parents were born in North Africa.Dr. Skorecki looked at the Sephardi Cohen’s physical features and considered his own physical features.They were significantly different in stature, skin coloration and hair and eye color. Yet both had a tradition of being Cohanim, direct descendants of one man — Aaron, the brother of Moses.
    Cohanim (plural of Cohen) are the priestly family of the Jewish people, members of the Tribe of Levi.The books of Exodus and Leviticus describe the responsibilities of the Cohanim, which include the Temple service and blessing of the people. The Torah (the first five books of the Bible) describes the anointing of Aaron, the brother of Moses, as the first High Priest (Cohen Gadol).
    Jewish tradition, based on the Torah, is that all Cohanim are direct descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses. The Cohen line is patrilineal — passed from father to son without interruption for 3,300 years, or more than 100 generations.
    The Cohen line is patrilineal — passed from father to son without interruption for 3,300 years.
    Dr. Skorecki considered, “According to tradition, this Sephardi Cohen and I have a common ancestor. Could this line have been maintained since Sinai, and throughout the long exile of the Jewish people?” As a scientist, he wondered, could such a claim be tested?
    Being a nephrologist and a top-level researcher at the University of Toronto and the Rambam-Technion Medical Center in Haifa, he was involved in the breakthroughs in molecular genetics which are revolutionizing medicine and the study of the life-sciences. He was also aware of the newly developing application of DNA analysis to the study of history and population diversity.
    Dr. Skorecki considered a hypothesis: if the Cohanim are descendants of one man, they should have a common set of genetic markers — a common haplotype — that of their common ancestor. In our case, Aaron HaCohen.
    HOW IT WORKS
    A genetic marker is a variation in the nucleotide sequence of the DNA, known as a mutation. Mutations which occur within genes — a part of the DNA which codes for a protein — usually cause a malfunction or disease and is lost due to selection in succeeding generations. However, mutations found in so-called “non-coding regions” of the DNA tend to persist.
    Since the Y chromosome consists almost entirely of non-coding DNA (except for the genes determining maleness), it would tend to accumulate mutations. Since it is passed from father to son without recombination, the genetic information on a Y chromosome of a man living today is basically the same as that of his ancient male ancestors, except for the rare mutations that occur along the hereditary line.
    A combination of these neutral mutations, known as a haplotype, can serve as a genetic signature of a man’s male ancestry. Maternal genealogies are also being studied by means of the m-DNA (mitrocondrial DNA), which is inherited only from the mother.
    THE SEARCH BEGINS
    Dr. Skorecki made contact with Professor Michael Hammer, of the University of Arizona, a leading researcher in molecular genetics and a pioneer in Y chromosome research. Professor Hammer uses DNA analysis to study the history of populations, their origins and migrations. His previous research included work on the origins of the Native American Indians and the development of the Japanese people.
    A study was undertaken to test the hypothesis. If there were a common ancestor, the Cohanim should have common genetic markers at a higher frequency than the general Jewish population.
    In the first study, as reported in the prestigious British science journal, Nature (January 2, 1997), 188 Jewish males were asked to contribute some cheek cells from which their DNA was extracted for study. Participants from Israel, England and North America were asked to identify whether they were a Cohen, Levi or Israelite, and to identify their family background.
    The results of the analysis of the Y chromosome markers of the Cohanim and non-Cohanim were indeed significant. A particular marker, (YAP-) was detected in 98.5 percent of the Cohanim, and in a significantly lower percentage of non-Cohanim.
    FURTHER CONFIRMATION
    In a second study, Dr. Skorecki and associates gathered more DNA samples and expanded their selection of Y chromosome markers. Solidifying their hypothesis of the Cohens’ common ancestor, they found that a particular array of six chromosomal markers was found in 97 of the 106 Cohens tested. This collection of markers has come to be known as the Cohen Modal Hapoltype (CMH) — the standard genetic signature of the Jewish priestly family. The chances of these findings happening at random is greater than one in 10,000.
    The finding of a common set of genetic markers in both Ashkenazi and Sephardi Cohanim worldwide clearly indicates an origin pre-dating the separate development of the two communities around 1000 CE. Date calculation based on the variation of the mutations among Cohanim today yields a time frame of 106 generations from the ancestral founder of the line, some 3,300 years — the approximate time of the Exodus from Egypt, the lifetime of Aaron HaCohen.
    Date calculations based on the mutations yield a time frame for the Cohen line of some 3,300 years!
    Professor Hammer was recently in Israel for the Jewish Genome Conference. He confirmed that his findings are consistent — over 80 percent of self-identified Cohanim have a common set of markers.
    The finding that less than one-third of the non-Cohen Jews who were tested possess these markers is not surprising to the geneticists. Jewishness is not defined genetically. Other Y-chromosomes can enter the Jewish gene pool through conversion or through a non-Jewish father. Jewish status is determined by the mother. Tribe membership follows the father’s line.
    AMAZING STATISTICS
    Calculations based on the high rate of genetic similarity of today’s Cohanim resulted in the highest “paternity-certainty” rate ever recorded in population genetics studies — a scientific testimony to family faithfulness.
    Stated Dr. David Goldstein of Oxford University:
    “For more than 90 percent of the Cohens to share the same genetic markers after such a period of time is a testament to the devotion of the wives of the Cohens over the years. Even a low rate of infidelity would have dramatically lowered the percentage.”
    [Science News, October 3, 1998]
    Wider genetic studies of diverse present day Jewish communities show a remarkable genetic cohesiveness. Jews from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North Africa and European Ashkenazim all cluster together with other Semitic groups, with their origin in the Middle East. A common geographical original can be seen for all mainstream Jewish groups studied.
    This genetic research has clearly refuted the libel that the Ashkenazi Jews are not related to the ancient Hebrews, but are descendants of the Kuzar tribe — a pre-10th century Turko-Asian empire which reportedly converted en masse to Judaism. Researchers compared the DNA signature of the Ashkenazi Jews against those of Turkish-derived people, and found no correspondence.
    OTHER SURPRISING FINDINGS
    In their second published paper in Nature (July 9, 1998) the researchers included an unexpected finding. Those Jews in the study who identified themselves as Levites did not show a common set of markers as did the Cohanim. The Levites clustered in three groupings, one of them the CMH. According to tradition, the Levites should also show a genetic signature from a common paternal patrilineal ancestor. The researchers are now focusing effort on the study of Levites’ genetic make up to learn more about their history in the Diaspora.
    Using the CMH as a DNA signature of the ancient Hebrews, researchers are pursuing a hunt for Jewish genes around the world.
    This research could have ramifications in the search for the Biblical Ten Lost Tribes
    This could have ramifications in the search for the Biblical Ten Lost Tribes.
    Using the genetic markers of the Cohanim as a yardstick, these genetic archaeologists are using DNA research to discover historical links to the Jewish people.
    The researchers’ policy is that the research is not a test of individuals, but an examination of the extended family. Having the CMH is not a proof of one’s being a Cohen, for the mother’s side is also significant in determining one’s Cohen status. At present, there are no ramifications in Jewish law due to this discovery. No one is certified nor disqualified because of their Y chromosome markers.
    The research has shown a clear genetic relationship amongst Cohanim and their direct lineage from a common ancestor. The research findings support the Torah statements that the line of Aaron will last throughout history:
    “… and they shall have the Priesthood as a statute forever, and you shall consecrate Aaron and his sons.” [Exodus 29:9]
    “… it shall be for them an appointment to an everlasting Priesthood throughout their generations.” [Exodus 40:15]
    “And it shall be to him and to his descendants after him a covenant of everlastingPriesthood.” [Numbers 25:13]
    That our Torah tradition is supported by these findings is an inspiration for many that God surely keeps His promises. May we soon see the Cohanim restored to their service, Levites on their Temple platform and Israelites at their places.
    If you are a Cohen or Levi interested in participating in the DNA research and/or receiving further information please contact:
    Center For Cohanim,
    3 Rehov HaMekubalim,
    Old City, Jerusalem, Israel
    Phone/Fax: (02) 628-9243
    Email: ymkleiman@hotmail.com
    ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
    Thanks to Professor Edward Simon, microbiologist at Purdue University, lecturer and board member of the Association of Orthodox Jewish Scientists, for his expert input.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

  140. One point for all of these posts is simply this; on the topic of Jewish identity, inheritance, history, ethnicity, genetics, there is a tremendous body of literature to become acquainted with.

    So you have a choice, you can believe the “The Book of Revelation” which has time and time again led people to erroneous ideas and conclusions, as I showed above.

    Or you can look into the body of literature which attempts to use modern studies, like genetics to guide our understanding of the body of myth and ethnographies, some which have been proven to be quite wrong like Koestler’s book on the Khazarian Empire.

    And some of this literature is extremely interesting to anyone with a bit of patience, and an interest in the topic

    We know that some people like Ron can’t deal with the facts since they would force him to abandon his racist hatreds towards Jews, but then he can’t say I didn’t expose to a good bit of what is currently known, so his ignorance is of his own choosing.

    If Ron and others of his ilk want to go through life hating Jewish people and railing against the “Synagogue of Satan”, without acquiring a bit of perspective on the reality of Jewish people and their real history, societies, ethnicity, genetic inheritance, and concerning the origins of Christianity as well, then its their problem.

    You can lead people to the information, you can even rub their noses in it, but you can’t force them to think.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 23, 2010

  141. Leslie, you are laughable, citing a member of the Association of Jewish Scientist, like he would have any credibility on the subject of Khazar DNA. Your Khazar scientists are merely propagandists, who perpetuate the myth that Ashkenazi “Jews” are authentic descendants of true Hebrews.

    Comment by Ron | April 24, 2010

  142. Ron, the time has come for you to face up to your dishonesty on this topic.

    I have quoted dozens of genetic scientists, I have quoted research papers, books, several Wikipedia articles, a highly detailed research text by a writer of the Muslim faith, who have all said the Koestler hypothesis has been disproven, and I have further challenged you to find any faculty member of any first world accredited university who will back up your “”Book of Revelation” all modern Jews are Khazars” BS verses what I have quoted you, that the Koestler hypothesis is simply wrong, as has been proven by genetic studies.

    And you have failed to provide such evidence.

    Further Ron you posted a made up quote;

    “”“A 2001 study by Nebal et al., found that the high frequency of R1a1NRY within the Ashkenazi Jews was sourced from the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century, and who ordered the lower class Khazars to convert to Judaism, and now we have New Khazaria, aka Israel, with a 92% Khazar population. Now that is a scientific fact, Alfred Koestler was right on the money, though he did not have the DNA evidence, at that time, to prove it.””

    This is a made up quote, WITHOUT A CITATION, and the real quotes by geneticist who consider this haplotype specifically say AT MOST it may represent 12% of Ashkenazi populations.

    There is a very big difference between 92 and 12 percent and until you can prove your source and his or her credibility and certification my conclusion is that you made this BS up on your own, since no accredited geneticist or university professor agrees.

    And you have totally ignored the extensive quotes I have listed which show just how ethnically diverse modern Jewish populations are, literally dozens of ethnicities, from all over the globe, and it has been thus for millennium.

    And as I told you from the beginning, being Jewish is not a matter of race or ethnicity.

    Ron your intellectual dishonesty is clear to anyone paying attention and as I have said many times now you cling to your biased, and unfounded views because for you hating and blaming is more important than knowing the truth.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 24, 2010

  143. Leslie, read the writings of Benjamin Freedman, a once proud, “self-styled jew,” who, like you thought he was an authentic seed of Abraham, but, once he became enlightened, he immediately abandoned that myth, and became a devout Roman Catholic, and devoted the remainder of his life to dispelling the myth which has you trapped in your delusional state. I really pity you, and all like you. Not only do you lack intellectual integrity, but lack any strand of decency, to lay claim to the legacy of Abraham, but cherry pick the parts of the Bible that suits your false claims to legitimacy. You are laughable.

    Comment by Ron | April 26, 2010

  144. Ron,

    I have read and heard Freedman lectures and opinions.

    He clearly has emotional problems, and there are some people who choose to reject or change their personal identity.

    While that represents no problem for me, but for example, Freedman totally misrepresented the meaning of the rejection of oaths on the high holy days, he misrepresented them as a rejection of oaths to non-Jews when in fact, they are a rejection of old oaths that a person has not followed through on, and a dedication to new oaths, having nothing to do with who the oath is made to – oneself or others, the rejection of the old oath and the dedication to the new oath which is done on the holiday. Its a perfectly good and honorable way to deal with our need to give ourselves reachable goals each year, for our self and towards others, but Freedman misrepresented the meaning and intent of the practice 1000%.

    Now Ron, you are also a misrepresenting, dishonest, not to be trusted individual.

    Where is the citation for your made up quote? You have had two days, and no response.

    Your quote is a lie, and you are a liar for typing it into this discussion.

    I have proved all of your assertions wrong five different ways, and all you can do is spew racial and religious hatred and attempt to ignore the lie you placed into this discussion with a made up quote.

    Put up the citation for your made up quote, or shall we just call you a liar as well as a misinformed self righteous hater?

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 26, 2010

  145. Leslie, you may find the quote you inquired about, when you Google Khazars. You should know the material quite well, since you are so erudite on the subject matter. As for the Khazar propagandists that you quote, who have no credibility, as their agenda is the perpetuation of this ludicrous myth that you Khazars are the “Seed of Abraham. I suppose the 54 Uighar Muslims in China, are also Arabs, and the “Seed of Mohammed.” One is as ludicrous as the other, you, a “Seed of Abraham,” and the Uighars, the “Seed of Mohammed.” What an oxymoron, huh?

    Comment by Ron | April 27, 2010

    • There is no such quote and you are a liar.

      The Koestler hypothesis has been studied by geneticists, and by modern ethnologists, and they have proved it to be incorrect.

      Your lying quote states that ‘R1a1NRY within the Ashkenazi Jews was sourced from the Khazarian Kingdom, constitute a modern Jewish population with a 92% Khazar inheritance’

      When in fact by scientific studies it (the haplotype R1a1) in a more generic (earlier form, indicating a Scandinavian connection to earlier Euro-asian populations, see below) may constitute at most 12%, see study the following;

      http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm

      The Khazars: A Jewish Kingdom in Europe

      Author Arthur Koestler (1976) is generally credited for bringing the unique history of the Khazars to the attention of the public. The decades that have past since the publication of his book have not dampened its highly controversial nature.

      The country of the Khazars lay in the area between the Black and Caspian Seas, between the Caucasus Mountains and the Volga River. There, between the ever-invading Muslim Arabs and the Christian Byzantine Empire, a peculiar thing occurred – a Jewish empire arose. In 740 CE, the Khazarian King, his court and military ruling class all embraced the Jewish faith. This large scale official conversion of an ethnically non-Jewish people is well attested to in Arab, Byzantine, Russian and Hebrew sources (Koestler 1976, pp.13-15).

      The rationale behind such conversion continues to both puzzle and fascinate historians – why would a people, despite political pressure from two great powers, chose a religion which had no support from any political power, but was rather persecuted by all? Whatever the reason, the Jewish Khazars continued to rule their kingdom until the 12th-13th century, when their empire finally dissolved. The fate of the Khazars after the fall of their empire remains a subject of great controversy among researchers.

      The Khazars are often described as “a people of Turkish stock,” although such description is misleading (Koestler 1976, p. 13). Although the Khazars spoke a Turkish dialect believed to be related to that spoken today by the peoples of the Chuvash Soviet Republic, their ethnic origins remains a matter of debate. Many of the Eurasian tribes driven westward by the Chinese, including the Huns, were labeled under the generic term of “Turk.” The origin of the word “Khazar” most likely derives from the Turkish root “gaz,” meaning “to wander” or simply “nomad.” (Koestler 1976, p. 21).

      Given that the Khazarian kingdom arose in the area of today’s Ukraine, it is likely that there was a significant amount of indigenous Eastern European ancestry among this group. And, in fact, the various descriptions of the Khazars provided by ancient writers attest to the probable heterogeneous ethnic mixture in this group.

      According to an 11th century Arab chronicler Ibn-al-Balkhi, the Khazars are

      . . . to the north of the inhabited earth towards the 7th clime, having over their heads the constellation of the Plough. Their land is cold and wet. Accordingly their complexions are white, their eyes blue, their hair flowing and predominately reddish, their bodies large and their natures cold. Their general aspect is wild” (Koestler 1976, p. 19). An Armenian writer described them as having “insolent, broad, lashless faces and long falling hair, like women. (Koestler 1976, p. 20).

      A slightly more flattering picture is provided by Arab geographer Istakhri:

      The Khazars do not resemble the Turks. They are black-haired, and are of two kinds, one called the Kara-Khazars [Black Khazars] who are swarthy verging on deep black as if they were kind of Indian, and a white kind [Ak-Khazars], who are strikingly handsome. (Koestler 1976, p. 20)

      However, Koestler (1976, p. 22) cautions the reader not to place too much weight on this description, since it was customary among Turkish peoples to refer to the ruling classes as “white” and the lower clans as “black.”

      It is clear that the Khazars were closely connected to the Huns, who themselves are an ethnic mystery. The Byzantine rhetorician Priscus, who was part of an embassy to Attila the Hun’s court in 448 CE, reported that a people known as the “Akatzirs” or “White Khazars” were subjects of the Huns. According to Koestler (1976, p. 23), “Priscus’s chronicle confirms that the Khazars appeared on the European scene about the middle of the fifth century as a people under Hunnish sovereignty, and may be regarded, together with the Magyars and other tribes, as a later offspring of Attila’s horde.” After the collapse of the Hunnish Empire following Attila’s death, the confederation of tribes known as the Khazars eventually gained supremacy in the southern half of Eastern Europe, retaining control of this region for nearly four centuries.

      What became a matter of dispute among historians was the fate of the Jewish Khazars after the destruction of their empire in the 12th- 13th centuries. Koestler argued that remnants of the Khazar tribes migrated into regions of Eastern Europe where the greatest concentrations of Jews were found, eventually merging with those pre-existing communities. In fact, Koestler’s controversial argument was that the Khazars emigrated in substantial enough numbers to have had a significant genetic impact on contemporary Jewish ancestry.

      With the advent of DNA studies, the question of whether contemporary Jews could trace any part of their ancestry back to the Khazars became a tantalizing mystery to try to solve. While the Cohanim DNA writers attempted to close the book on this question, evidence from another important genetic study, that of the Jewish Levite priests, made it apparent that the Khazarian debate was far from over.

      The Levites: The DNA of the Jewish Khazarian Priests

      The other Jewish priestly caste is known as the “Levites.” Like the Cohanim, Levites are recorded in the Hebrew Bible as direct descendants of Aaron, Israel’s first High Priest. In fact, the Cohanim are actually a special subsection of the Levites (Telushkin 1997, p. 125).

      In the second study published on the Cohanim, researchers reported that despite a priori expectations, Jews who identified themselves as Levites did not share a common set of markers with the Cohanim (Thomas et al. 1998). Unfortunately, the reporting that the Levites did not share a genetic signature from a common patrilineal ancestor with the Cohanim flew in the face of Jewish tradition. This led to some rather bizarre and disparaging explanations, like the following from Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman (1999) in Jewish Action:

      It is interesting to note that the tribe of Levi has a history of lack of quantity…After the Babylonian exile, the Levi’im (plural) failed to return en masse to Jerusalem, though urged by Ezra the Scribe to do so (They were therefore fined by losing their exclusive rights to maser.). Though statistically, the Levi’im should be more numerous than Cohanim, in synagogues today it is not unusual to have a minyan with a surplus of Cohanim, yet not one Levi.

      In point of fact, the Levites were shown to have a common set of genetic markers – just not the CMH. These markers were not even part of the same J1 haplogroup as found in the Cohanim. The majority of Levites shared a common haplotype, indicating a shared common ancestor among them, but this haplotype occurred within haplogroup R1a and, more specifically, within subgroup R1a1. Furthermore, this haplogroup was found only in the Ashkenazi Levites; it was not shared with the Sephardic Levite population in the same fashion as the CMH. Given the fact that the Ashkenazi Levites did not share R1a with their Sephardic counterparts, it appeared that this haplogroup had entered the Jewish population sometime during the Diaspora.

      In one of the first studies to closely examine the high levels of R1a among Levites, researchers found that R1al formed a “tight cluster” within the Ashkenazi Levites (Behar et al. 2003). This suggested to the researchers a very recent origin of this group from a single common ancestor (Behar et al. 2003).

      In a subsequent Levite study, the modal haplotype reported for Ashkenazi R1a1, known as “H6,” was reported to occur twice as often as the second most common R1a1 haplotype among Ashkenazim, known as “H10” (Nebel et al. 2005). Out of a sample of 55 individuals, 25 had haplotype “H6” and 12 had haplotype “H10” (Nebel et al. 2005, Supplementary Material).

      Table 2

      Haplotypes* for Ashkenazi R-M17

      HAPLOTYPE

      D

      Y

      S

      0

      1

      9

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      8

      8

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      9

      0

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      9

      1

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      9

      2

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      9

      3

      H6

      16

      12

      25

      10

      11

      13

      H10

      15

      12

      25

      10

      11

      13

      *6-Locus Haplotype

      Behar believed that among Ashkenazi Jews, R1a1 was essentially restricted to Levites. However, we know from subsequent research that R1a1 comprises nearly 12% of Ashkenazi results, while the Levites only make up about 4-5 % of the Jewish people (Nebel et al. 2005). Thus, these results extend well beyond the Levite priestly class to approximately 5-8% of the Cohanim and Israelites (the non-priestly Jewish population) as well.

      Haplogroup R1a1 is relatively rare within Middle Eastern populations, but very common among Eastern European and Scandinavian populations (Behar et al. 2003). It is found at a frequency of 7% in some Near Eastern groups (Behar et al. 2004b). However, given that Sephardic groups did not share R1a1 frequencies with the Ashkenazim, it was apparent that Jewish R1a1 was probably not of ancient Israelite origin.

      Confirmation of the high frequency of Haplogroup R1a1 among Ashkenazim as compared to other Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations was found in a genetic study on Samaritan and Israeli groups (Shen et al. 2004). Although population samples were small, consisting of twenty participants from Ashkenazi Jewish groups, all were Eastern Ashkenazim of Polish ancestry. Ashkenazi results were compared to other Jewish groups from Iraq, Libya, Morocco, Ethiopia and Yemen, as well as to non-Jewish Samaritan, Druze and Palestinian populations. Shen found that haplogroup R was found in 10-30% of all the groups, with the exception of Palestinians and Ethiopian Jews, though the majority belonged to R1b and R*. In contrast, the Ashkenazim had the highest percentage of haplogroup R (30%), with two-thirds of those results found in haplogroup R1a (Shen et al. 2004).

      As for when R1a1 first entered the Jewish community, Behar (2003) estimated a mean TMRCA (time to the most recent common ancestor) of 663 years before the present using the Simple Stepwise Mutation Model and a mean time of 1,000 years before present under the Linear Length-Dependent Stepwise Mutational Model. This calculation was striking because it fit precisely within the time period that Koestler believed the mass migration and absorption of the Khazars by the larger Eastern European Jewish communities occurred.

      R1a1 is found in very high frequencies not only in the area of Eastern Europe where the Khazarian kingdom is reported to have existed, but also in many Central Asian populations as well, where some of the Khazarian population may have originated (Nebel et al. 2005). Furthermore, the most common Ashkenazi haplotype, H6, is identical to the most common haplotype found among European R1a1 (YHRD 2003). Ashkenazi H10 is identical to the fifth most common European R1a1 haplotype.[1]

      Behar (2003) noted that Ashkenazi R1a1 haplotypes clustered closely with those seen in Sorbian and Belarusian groups in Eastern Europe, yet the haplotypes were dissimilar enough to convince him that these groups were not the original source population for Ashkenazi R1a1. While the Ashkenazi H6 haplotype is also one of the most common haplotypes among the Sorbian and Belarusian populations, the modal haplotypes found among these two Eastern European groups do not appear among Ashkenazim (Behar, 2003). However, it is possible that genetic drift could have led to the loss of other Jewish R1a1 lineages (Behar, 2003).

      Nebel (2005) emphasized that the R1a1 haplogroup must have entered the Jewish gene pool from outside sources because the ancestral haplotype (H6) is almost completely absent in Sephardic Jews, Kurdish Jews and Palestinian population samples. He suggested that R1a1 in Ashkenazim “may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars.” However, he also argued for a single founder event early on in the Jewish Diaspora, proposing that the TMRCA for R1a1 among Ashkenazi was approximately 62.7 generations ago, or 1567 years ago.

      However, the proposal that R1a1 originated with a single founder event early in the Diaspora has become increasingly unlikely as research on Jewish DNA progresses. Since R1a1 is spread fairly evenly in haplotype distribution and frequency throughout the Ashkenazi populations from various countries (Germany, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Russia and the Ukraine), then the founders must have entered the community either before it expanded and spread to Eastern Europe, or merged separately into both eastern and western Ashkenazi groups. However, Nebel (2005) is forced to assert an extremely early TMRCA due to his belief that R1a1 must have originated with a single founder or very small group of founders. In order for R1a1 to reach its high frequency (12%) among the Ashkenazim from a single founder, a very early date must be proposed for the introgression of this haplogroup. Under this scenario, R1a1 entered the Jewish community when it was extremely small and in its formative stage. Gene flow from a single R1a founder at this early stage would likely have a huge impact on the expanding Ashkenazi population.

      However, it appears that the most recently revised mutational dating techniques lend support to Behar’s (2003) later date when applied to Jewish R1a1 haplotypes. If we assume that R1a1 entered the Jewish community around 1300 CE, then there would need to be enough founders to leave a 12% genetic impact on the population. Given that the Ashkenazi population at that time is estimated to be approximately 25,000 persons, it would be nearly impossible for a single founder to make such a significant genetic impact (Behar et al. 2004b). Adopting this conservative estimate of 25,000 persons, approximately two to three thousand R1a1 males probably entered the Ashkenazi community between the 12th-13th centuries.

      Interestingly, there are no historical accounts of any large scale conversions or Eastern European groups entering the Jewish community at this time – except the Khazars.

      Additionally, given the relatively late date of introgression and the large number of founders, these males must have already been very closely related to each other, sharing the R1a1 haplotypes that are later reflected in the Levite results. Behar (2003) noted that the lack of Levite R1a1 haplotype diversity suggested that all the founding lineages were very closely related to each other if, in fact, a large number of founding lineages contributed to the Levite R1a1 gene pool. The ancient reports on the Khazars indicate that the majority of the Jewish converts were from the Khazarian royalty and ruling classes (Koestler 1976, p.15). Although speculative, it seems likely this group would have intermarried heavily amongst itself, helping to preserve the group’s elite status. Thus, it is probable that they would have already possessed a set of closely related R1a1 haplotypes which they simply passed on to their Levite descendants.

      Most importantly, the fact that these R1a1 founders were endowed with Levite status is highly revealing. Behar (2003), in fact, argues against the possibility of a large number of R1a founders because it would involve a breach of “a well-regulated rabbinically controlled barrier” and would “most likely leave some prominent trace in the historical record – which it has not.” However, he then suggests that the R1a introgression may indicate a lesser degree of stringency for the assumption of Levite status than for the assumption of Cohen status. He points to a passage in the Talmud involving a debate over whether Levite status should be accorded to a man whose father was a non-Jew and who mother was the daughter of a Levite. This suggests that assignment of Levite status other than through patrilineal descent could have been sanctioned by the rabbinical authorities.

      However, the Khazars were already Jewish, having converted hundreds of years before. Although of a different ethnic make-up than the Ashkenazim of the 13th century, they were not “non-Jews.” They probably already had their own Levite caste in place who may have simply continued their priestly functions among the Ashkenazim.

      Integration into the Levite priesthood would have secured for the Khazarian immigrants a place in their new community while helping them maintain a sense of elite status among a new people. Yet it is clear that the Khazars had become Jews long before they became part of the larger Ashkenazi community. Thus, it should not be surprising that six hundred years after their reported conversion, the Ashkenazim may have accorded them a special role among their Levite priesthood.

      The Khazars and the Smoking Gun of Haplogroup Q

      With the discovery of haplogroup Q among Ashkenazi Jews, DNA researchers may have found the “smoking gun” of Khazarian ancestry.

      In one of the few DNA studies to examine haplogroup Q among Jews, researchers made the surprising declaration that only 5-8% of the Ashkenazi gene pool is comprised of Y chromosomes that originated from non-Jewish European populations (Behar et al. 2004b). But since subsequent research has confirmed that R1a1 alone comprises nearly 12% of the Ashkenazi gene pool, it now appears that Behar’s estimate is much too low. Additionally, Behar’s (2004b, Supplementary Material) own data indicate that haplogroups R1b, R1a and I comprise more than a quarter of Ashkenazi DNA results.

      As for haplogroup Q, Behar (2004b) states that it is a “minor founding lineage” among the Ashkenazim, but does not discuss it any further in the study. Haplogroup Q appears in 23 out of 442 Ashkenazi results in Behar’s study, or approximately 5% of the total results (Behar et al. 2004b, Supplementary Material). Interestingly, out of 50 non-Jewish Hungarian results also appearing in this study, haplogroup Q did not appear at all (Behar et al. 2004b, Supplementary Material).

      The modal haplotype for Ashkenazi Q is shown in Table 3:

      Table 3

      Ashkenazi Q-P36 Modal Haplotype*

      D

      Y

      S

      0

      1

      9

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      8

      8

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      8

      9

      i

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      8

      9

      ii

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      9

      0

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      9

      1

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      9

      2

      D

      Y

      S

      3

      9

      3

      D

      Y

      S

      4

      2

      6

      D

      Y

      S

      4

      3

      9

      13

      12

      13

      16

      22

      10

      15

      13

      12

      16

      * 10-Locus Haplotype

      Approximately 19 out of the 23 Q results exhibited the above haplotype, with 3 additional results being a single step mutation away on DYS marker #393 (Behar et al. 2004b, Supplementary Material). In fact, so many identical haplotypes makes it difficult to accurately date Ashkenazi Q, since using a TMRCA calculation indicates these Ashkenazim, both eastern and western groups, could be related within the last hundred years. This, however, seems highly unlikely, given the separation between these populations over the last few hundred years.

      By designating Q a “minor founding lineage,” Behar (2004b) places this group among “those haplogroups likely to be present in the founding Ashkenazi population.” However, given that Haplogroup Q is rarely found in Middle Eastern populations in DNA studies, the likelihood that Q can be attributed to Israelite ancestry seems remote. The presence of Haplogroup Q among all Ashkenazi groups indicates the founders of this group either mixed with a number of separate Ashkenazi populations or, more likely, entered to the Ashkenazi population in western Europe in a similar fashion to Haplogroup R1a1, before the Ashkenazi migrated in large numbers eastward in the 13th-14th centuries.

      The extremely low haplotype diversity of Ashkenazi Q supports the argument of a small number of closely-related founders merging with the Ashkenazim while they still resided primarily in Western Europe, but not significantly earlier in their formation, since a longer time span would result in more haplotype diversity. It does not support the contention that Q is Israelite in origin, or that the founders merged into the Jewish population much earlier in the Diaspora. Assuming the Ashkenazi population consisted of approximately 25,000 individuals around 1200-1300 CE, then approximately 1000-1500 Q individuals became part of the Ashkenazi population at that time.

      Haplogroup Q is rare in European populations as well. It occurs in low percentages in Hungary (2.6%) and much higher percentages in Siberia (Tambets et al. 2004). It can be found among populations in Norway and the Shetland Islands of Scotland where many Norwegian Vikings settled. The frequency of Haplogroup Q among Scandinavians is comparable to that found in Ashkenazim (Faux, private correspondence). It appears that Norwegians/Shetlanders and Ashkenazi Jews possess the highest percentages of haplogroup Q of any populations in Europe – a rare link between two very different populations who may share a common ancestor from Central Asia or Eastern Europe. Interestingly, Scandinavians and Shetlanders also possess high levels of haplogroup R1a1 as well, perhaps some of it originating from Central Asian sources (Faux, private correspondence).

      David Faux, a researcher examining the Shetlander’s DNA and possible Central Asian links, notes the following:

      The best evidence we have to date is that, although not investigated scientifically, that Q and K* arrived with R1a from the same population source in the Altai region of Russian Siberia. It is likely that what we are seeing with Q and K are very rare Scandinavian haplogroups whose origins were long ago in Asia. If this is true, then it is very unusual that there does not seem to be any Q or K along the overland pathways to Norway (e.g., in Western Russia) – but there is Q, along with R1a, in the region of Kurdistan, and among a significant percentage of Ashkenazi Jews.

      Faux further hypothesized that the homeland of Norse Q lies somewhere in the populations of Siberia, such as with the Selkups (66.4% Q and 19.1% R1a) or the Kets (93.7% Q), or among the populations of the Altai mountain system extending through Mongolia, Kazakhstan and Russia (Tambets et al. 2004).

      Haplogroup K* also appears among Ashkenazim, though this group is rarely discussed in the DNA literature. Behar (2004b, Supplementary Infor-mation) found 2-3% among Ashkenazi Jews. Behar identifies this group as K*-M9, though they may, in fact, be within Haplogroup K2, since they closely match the K2 haplotypes reported among Turkish groups (Cinnioglu 2004). The appearance of Haplogroup K* only among eastern Ashkenazim may be attributable to Eastern European or Khazarian admixture (Behar 2004b, Supplementary Material). Interestingly, Ashkenazi K* exhibits more haplotype diversity than haplogroup Q results, perhaps indicating a larger percentage of unrelated K* founders or genetic drift.

      However, Behar (2003) reports finding a significantly higher frequency of haplogroup K* among Sephardic Levites (23%) and Sephardic Israelites (13%), perhaps the highest frequency of K* found among any European population. This may indicate that some of Ashkenazi K* is, in fact, of Israelite origin. Its absence among western Ashkenazim and very low frequency among eastern Ashkenazim suggests that the high frequency of Sephardic K* may be due to pronounced genetic drift or significantly more K* founders as part of the original Sephardic population. However, it is also possible that Sephardic K* is the result of admixture with African or Mediterranean groups. Haplogroup K* is known to reach a frequency of 10% in Cabo Verbe, an east Atlantic island population with ties to Jewish founders from Spain and Portugal (Goncalves et al. 2003).

      A comparison of haplogroup Q among Altaians and Ashkenazi Jews was undertaken by Dienekes Pontikos (2004), who operates a respected website dedicated to the examination of anthropological, archaeological and genetic research. He compared the frequency of haplogroups R1a and Q among Altaian Turkic speakers and Ashkenazi Jews. For Altaians, the percentages are 46/17, or a ratio of about 2.7, while in Ashkenazim it is 12/5, or a ratio of about 2.4. Dienekes writes:

      If Proto-Khazars were similar to present-day Altaians minus haplogroup C, then they would have a frequency of about 59% R1a and 22% Q. Therefore, it seems reasonable that an overall 5/22=22% of such Proto-Khazar elements into the Ashkenazi Jewish populations may be likely. But, the Khazars of Khazaria may themselves have been somewhat mixed with Western Eurasian elements, which would decrease their frequency of haplogroup Q.

      Dienekes (2004) also wrote that he found the continued silence of researchers about the presence of haplogroup Q among Ashkenazim “puzzling.”

      Haplogroup Q is found in high frequencies in only a few regions of the world. Native American’s possess very high percentages of Q, particularly a sub-group known as “Q3” (Zegura et al. 2004). But haplogroup Q did not originate among the Native Americans, nor did this population obtain their Q ancestry from Jewish or Scandinavian ancestors. As previously noted by Faux, its origins probably lie somewhere in northern Eurasia, in Siberia or the Altai, where Q continues to be a common Y chromosome haplogroup. It is from this group after migration to the New World that Native American Haplogroup Q3 originated.

      Genetic analysis has allowed researchers to trace Native American haplogroup Q to its probable ancestral homeland – the Altai Mountains of Southwest Siberia (Zegura et al. 2004). The researchers have also pointed out that the Kets and Sekups, who currently inhabit the eastern part of Western Siberia and the Yenisey River Valley, can trace their origin homeland further south, on the slopes of the Altai mountains (Zegura et al. 2004). This region is, of course, where Faux postulated that Scandinavia’s Q and K* ancestors originated. It may also be the homeland of Khazarian Q ancestors whose descendants are found today among Ashkenazi Jewish groups.

      In conclusion, it appears that some members of three very distinct populations—Scandinavian-Shetlanders, Native Americans and Ashkenazi Jews–may share common ancestors originating from the Altai regions of southern Siberia. However, the Q ancestors of the Native Americans appears to have departed from their Altai homeland much earlier than the other two groups, migrating to the New World sometime between 10,000 to 17,000 years ago, providing sufficient time for the Native Americans to develop their own unique subgroup of Q, known as Q3 (Zegura et al. 2004).

      The migration of R1a and Q groups into Scandinavia is presently unknown, though Faux postulates a group from Central Asia may have moved up into Scandinavia sometime around 400 CE. Only a few hundred years later, the Khazars of southern Russia make their first appearance in the historical record. And it is to the Khazars, who undoubtedly possessed a high frequency of this haplogroup, to which the Jews most likely owe their unique Q ancestry.

      END OF QUOTED MATERIAL

      Now I will respond to your degenerate nature in my next post.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 27, 2010

    • Now Ron you need to face up to your degenerate nature.

      Not only are you misinformed, and an ignoramus, believing in absurdities, but you are a proven liar, and you are truly stupid to think you can get away with lying in public.

      It is one thing to be merely stupid and misinformed, which you certainly are, but these characteristics can be helped by learning and study, but your greater problem is that you are morally degenerate, and you mistakenly believe you can lie and get away with it.

      Ron, you have proven yourself to be an in improvable degenerate.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 27, 2010

  146. 54 million Uighar Muslims, in China, that is.

    Comment by Ron | April 27, 2010

  147. Leslie, you and your propagandist “geneticists,” are the liars. We goyim no longer fall for your bullshit. Dr. John O. Beaty, wrote, in 1951, at SMU, how you Khazars have captured the universities of the United States, and much else of the western world, to indoctrinate the Khazars, and the gullible goyim with your bullshit. Not everybody is a fool. I would no more accept the bullshit of your “accredite Khazar liars, than I would accept the fantasy that “pigs will fly.”

    Comment by Ron | April 28, 2010

    • Ron, you are nothing but a delusional liar.

      You put up a fake quote that you can’t give a citation for and you are a liar.

      And really Ron, you think hate monger maggots like you have more credibility than geneticists?

      Like I said you are delusional.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 29, 2010

  148. Leslie, you and your propagandist “geneticists,” are the liars. We goyim no longer fall for your bullshit. Dr. John O. Beaty, wrote, in 1951, at SMU, how you Khazars have captured the universities of the United States, and much else of the western world, to indoctrinate the Khazars, and the gullible goyim with your bullshit. Not everybody is a fool. I would no more accept the bullshit of your “accredited Khazar liars, than I would accept the fantasy that “pigs will fly.”

    Comment by Ron | April 28, 2010

    • Your not only a delusional, lying maggot, your also paranoid.

      Thanks for the laugh, ignoramus.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 29, 2010

  149. Khazars were a pagan, phallic worshiping cult, who adopted the “God of Abraham, and his sacred covenant with the seed of Abraham,” in 740 A.D., and the rest is history. Please, google “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” and then you will understand all you need to know about “The Synagogue of Satan,” as these are the same principles of business, and life, articulated by Mayer Amschel Rothschild, more than 200 years ago. Read them, and weep, as you look back across the pages of history, because it all starts to make since, once you put the pieces of the puzzle together. These people are not like other people.

    Comment by Ron | April 28, 2010

    • Nothing but more made up bullshit.

      You are mentally ill, delusional, filled with hate and you believe in non-sense.

      I doubt that anyone who has written into this web page has less credibility than you.

      But your are a credible ignoramus, as well as mentally ill, filled with hatred, and you believe in total non-sense.

      And you think you have more credibility than the many expert sources I have quoted?

      And you think that no one will notice you posted a totally unfounded made up fake quote?

      Or that when challenged you can not name a single university professor in the field of genetics from an accredited university, who supports this disproven Koestler hypotheses.

      I am certain anyone looking into this web page will notice what a phony delusional hate filled liar you are.

      Obviously you are as stupid as you are delusional.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 29, 2010

  150. And Ron, what is even worse about you than the fact that you are a liar, delusional, believe in utter non-sense, and that you clearly are stupid, is the obvious fact that despite your totally degenerate nature, you actually think you are a religious person because you recite non-sense you think you understand from the bible.

    Pathetic.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 29, 2010

  151. And Ron, if you really are a Christian, as you said you are then Christ was a liar, Christ was stupid because he made up stuff he could not prove but expected people to believe anyway, and Christ was a hate filled degenerate, and Christ spouted utter non-sense.

    Yep, Ron you are just like Christ.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 29, 2010

  152. Leslie, read “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” for yourself. They certainly by a long shot pre-date my lifetime. Read the 25 Principles of Mayer Amschel Rothschild. Google them, and read them. Then the course of global history all fall into place, and can be put into some kind of perspective. Everyone who opposed the Khazar agenda is mentally ill, in your opinion, be that person a Khazar himself, such as Benjamin Freedman, Koestler, Alfred Lilienthal, etc., or some other non-Khazar scholar/ intellectual. You sir, are mentally ill, but you are quite irrelevant to the ultimate outcome of the conflagration. The destruction of the Khazar Empire in imminent, and unequivocal. Your Luciferian agenda will fail.

    Comment by Ron | April 30, 2010

    • Yes, you are mentally ill, you believe in non-sense, and you are immune to reason.

      You believe in a “jews are the root of all evil” theory of the universe that I will not waste a moment of time rebutting.

      However, the point of this web page is the thesis that most modern Jews are genetically the descendants of a medieval nation which converted to Judaism, this is the theory of Koestler, who wrote an early ethnographic study of the Khazarian nation, a study which any realistic person will realize was written prior to the availability of modern scientific genetic studies of Jewish populations.

      The Koestler thesis has been investigated by modern geneticists and has been completely refuted.

      Modern Jewish populations, which are primarily either Ashkenazi, or Sephardic are shown by geneticist to be the descendants of the ancient Jewish populations.

      You have completely failed to refute this scientific finding and you attempted to refute it by entering a false, made up quote which you could give no citation for.

      This proves you are a liar, and a hypocrite. I wonder how many real honest Christians would want to associated with a proven irrational hater, liar such as your self.

      Thus also proves you are both stupid and unethical, to think you can get away with this sort of intellectual dishonesty.

      You have failed to list one certified university authority in the field of genetics, from an accredited first world university who backs up the Koestler hypothesis which is the topic of this web page.

      When challenged you can’t prove your contentions that have anything to do with the genetic history of Jewish populations, and you advance other pseudo-religious nonsense that lacks any sort of merit at all, which I will not waste my time with.

      You have proven that you are a hater, immune to real validated information, and that you are so heavily invested at a personal level in the non-sense you advance, that anyone would be reasonable to write you off as a hate filled ignoramus, believing in non-sense, as I have.

      In short, Ron, you are an embarrassment to anyone with an ethical sense or with a shred of intellectual honesty.

      You can continue to post your hate filled “jews are the source of all evil” theory all day long, day after day, but does not make it real, valid, or worth the time to rebut it.

      Yes, you are mentally ill, you believe in non-sense, and you are immune to reason, and I will not waste my time on the specifics of the BS you believe, but I have posted several articles, research be real geneticists who do know what they are talking about, and they rebut the Koestler hypothesis.

      Further, beyond your comprehension is the point that being Jewish in any case is not a matter of race, Jewish populations have dozens of ethnicities all over the globe, the patriarch of the Jewish people, Abram, was not a Semite ethnically, and literally nothing you hold on to as the basis of your insane believes is true.

      What better definition of insanity can there be? Ron, you are the living definition of a compulsive insanity and hate filled racism.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 30, 2010

  153. Leslie, your anti-Christian comments about the Messiah, beloved by billions the world over, merely manifest your evil, depraved mind and soul. I can see why the Third Reich decided to adopt the policies that they did. You are incorrigible, untreatable, and totally deranged. People of your ilk, living in New Khazaria, are an obstacle to peace, and world peace is at stake. You Khazars have no business in Palestine, to begin with. You are not the “Seed of Abraham,” and it is utterly ridiculous for you to be permitted to stay there any longer. Each man, woman, and child in New Khazaria should be paid $1 million to abandon posession of Palestine, and turn it over to its rightful owners. If, after a reasonable period to accept the offer, the United Nations peacekeeping force, should remove the recalitrants, using deadly force, when necessary. If the Zionist government should threaten the world with nuclear weapons, then that government and its psychotic sycophants should be vaporized, at the earliest convenience of the world body politic. Not only should that policy apply to New Khazaria, but to all such rogue regimes.

    Comment by Ron | April 30, 2010

  154. I am not going to waste time with your insane beliefs.

    You accuse me of being anti-Christian, again you know nothing about me, and you are mistaken in that assertion.

    Furthermore, you dislike Zionism, and you contend that Zionists, and Jews living in the state of Israel are going to be physically expelled.

    I have one comment only on this point; bring it on, and see what happens.

    That is all the response on these points you are going to get.

    Put up or shut up, – bring it on.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | April 30, 2010

  155. Due to the abysmal ignorance of some demonstrated in this thread, I will post the following video, which demonstrates how ignoramuses, like Ron for example, make so many assumptions about the ethnicity and origins of people they do not know what they are talking about.

    In fact my mothers family were from Estonia prior to their emigration to the USA, and my father’s family were from Austro-Hungary.

    And Ron speaking out of his hat wants to peg me as a Khazarian, who he says are a Mongolic people from the steppes of Eurasia, which he incorrectly assumes is the origin of the Khazars.

    And many similarly ignorant people think the same about the origins of Hungarians, or anyone from the Balkans.

    So here is a video which is meant as a counter point to the idea that Finnish, Hungarian and Estonian people who have a Uralic language affiliation, must therefore be Mongoloid, not that there is anything wrong with that, aside from its not being true. This assumption precedes from the fact that the Uralic language groups are an ancient form and were once believed to be wide spread in Eurasia, and east Europe.

    Another thing to remember about the prevalence of genetic haplotypes in specific geographies, is that the original carriers of a genetic marker may have migrated to the location and may have by population gains have out produced the original inhabitants of that geography, so (prevalence due to) migration and fecundity is often misinterpreted to indicate a point of origin, when it may not be.

    Similarly for language, the assumption is often that the predominance of a language form in a place at a given time is an indication of the language’s origin at that place, and that is also not necessarily so.

    Similarly, the association some people make between ancient Jews and Semitic peoples is equally spurious. This is what people who are no better educated than what they might have learned at an elementary Christian Sunday school class.

    Most likely, the origins of the Semitic language were from North East Africans, while genetically, the ethnic origins of the Semitic speakers who entered Mesopotamia to become among the most dominant ethnicities at the time of the origins of the Hebrew nation, originally emigrated from the north of the Middle East and were Caucasoids, but came to Mesopotamia in large numbers from the West, from the Arabian peninsula as it became a desert.

    While the father of the Hebrews, Abram, was a Sumerian and not ethnically Semitic, more likely he was an Australoid -Vedic type according to the genetic studies of the founders of the Sumerian high civilization, which takes us back nearly 6000 years ago.

    Abram’s greater contingent of 380 warriors, given to him by the Sumerian rulers, ultimately must have formed part of the genetic basis of the Hebrew people as well, and the origins of the “12 tribes” of Israel, were just as likely to have been genuinely separate tribes from the areas of lower Egypt and Canaan rather than twelve tribes sired by a single father of Israel.

    Therefore, it is likely that the original Hebrew people were anything but a single ethnicity arising from a singular Semitic origin as some numskulls assume from their Sunday school education.

    The existence of the R1a1 haplotype in modern Jewish populations could have come lately from Central Eurasian contributors, as the Khazarian theory advances, or it could have originated in the earlier sourced presence of R1a1 in the north Eurasians who migrated south to found the ancient mix of peoples generally called Semitic at the time of the ancient Hebrew nation.

    In any case, on its own a haplotype found in a minority of the modern Jewish population isn’t firm proof of anything beyond being an example of the great diversity of people, of any type, and attempts to match cultural history with genetics isn’t going to result in a definitive linear history or a one to one correspondence.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 1, 2010

  156. Who is Hitler!

    “1/7 Syndrome of Control” at Search Google.com and You Tube
    a presentation by Lindsey Williams with testimony by
    Jonathan May.Who is the liar,and false deceiver.Rather than
    going around in a circle come to the point.

    Walter E. Haas God Bless America

    Comment by Walter E. Haas | May 1, 2010

  157. Leslie, I will waste no more time with your lunacy? What do you make of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion? Do you have a comment on that, or do you just stipulate that they are authentic? Are they fake? What say you, Luciferian? How dare you say that Christ was a liar, and a hate mongerer? I can see why Spain and Portugual evicted you Khazars, and why you have been expelled from one country after another. The entire world cannot be wrong about this.

    Comment by Ron | May 1, 2010

    • You use nonsense words and labels and are entirely blind to reality.

      The world does not and never will conform to your hate fantasy.

      You say you will waste no more time with me, you you compulsively post the same BS over and over again.

      I realize people like yourself are so consumed with hatred that you have lost your bearings as a human being, and the absolute proof of that is the fact that you consider yourself a moral Christian, when in fact you are a liar, and an obsessed hater, no one could be less like Christ than you.

      You are mentally ill and I will not address your insane ideas, assertions, world view.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 1, 2010

  158. I see that Leslie Schwartz is prepared to engage in a nuclear holocaust, in order to preserve the illegitimate state of New Khazaria, aka Israel. I would love to see that. If that is the only way to dismantle this travesty, then so be it. As you said, Leslie, bring it. I pray that Iran is very close to weapons grade plutonium, to counter the lunacy of New Khazaria.

    Comment by Ron | May 1, 2010

    • Like I said, talk is cheap, bring it on and see what happens.

      We Jews of all ethnicities and nations know how to deal with mentally diseased scum like you.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 1, 2010

  159. Leslie, you Khazars are not Hebrews, to begin with. I read and heard how the Felashas, removed from Eritrea some decades ago, are called “niggers,” and relegated to the menial work in New Khazaria, when they are the “true seed of Abraham,” persecuted by the “Seed of Satan,” also known as “The Synagogue of Satan.” Let there be no doubt about it, you will be destroyed. Your days are numbered, Leslie, enjoy your final days.

    Comment by Ron | May 1, 2010

    • Who will number our days?

      Hate filled lying ignoramuses like you?

      Dream on maggot.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 1, 2010

    • You do not know what a Jew or a Hebrew is in the first place, despite all that I have posted here about it.

      The world does not conform to the entirely thrashed ideas your mind is polluted with.

      Plain and simple you are wrong.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 2, 2010

  160. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

    Jewish ethnic divisions
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    See also: Judaism by country
    Jewish ethnic divisions refers to a number of distinct communities within the world’s ethnically Jewish population. Although considered one single self-identifying ethnicity, there are distinct ethnic divisions among Jews, most of which are primarily the result of geographic branching from an originating Israelite population, and subsequent independent evolutions.[1]
    As long ago as Biblical times, cultural and linguistic differences between Jewish communities, even within the area of Ancient Israel and Judea, are observed both within the Bible itself as well as from archeological remains. In more recent human history, an array of Jewish communities were established by Jewish settlers in various places around the Old World, often at great distances from one another resulting in effective and often long-term isolation from each other. During the millennia of the Jewish diaspora the communities would develop under the influence of their local environments; political, cultural, natural and populational. Today, manifestation of these differences among the Jews can be observed in Jewish cultural expressions of each community, including Jewish linguistic diversity, culinary preferences, liturgical practices, religious interpretations, as well as degrees and sources of genetic admixture.
    Contents [hide]
    1 Historical background
    1.1 Ancient Israel and Judah
    2 Modern divisions
    2.1 Genetic studies of DNA
    3 Geographic distribution
    3.1 Europe
    3.1.1 The Caucasus and the Crimea
    3.2 North Africa, Middle East, Central Asia
    3.3 Sub-Saharan Africa
    3.4 South and East Asia
    3.5 Americas
    4 Israel; The Exiles Ingathered
    5 Statistics
    6 See also
    7 References
    [edit]Historical background

    [edit]Ancient Israel and Judah
    The full extent of the cultural, linguistic, religious or other differences among the Israelites in antiquity is unknown. Following the defeat of the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah, the Jewish people were dispersed throughout the Middle East, especially in Egypt, North Africa Yemen and Mesopotamia. By the height of the Roman Empire, Jewish communities could be found in nearly every notable settlement throughout the Empire, as well as scattered communities found in settlements beyond the Empire’s borders in northern Europe and in Africa. In the east, Jewish communities could be found throughout Persia and in empires even farther east including India and China. Jews could also be found in eastern Europe and southwestern Asia.
    In the late Byzantine period the khan of Khazaria in the northern Caucasus and his court converted to Judaism, partly in order to maintain neutrality between Christian Byzantium and the Muslim world. This event forms the framework for Yehuda Halevi’s work ‘The Kuzari’. How far traces of Judaism among this group survived the collapse of the Khazar empire is a matter of scholarly debate.
    Following the collapse of the Roman Empire, and especially after the Moorish invasion of Iberia, communications between the communities in various parts of the former Empire became sporadic. With increasing persecution in “Ashkenaz”—that is, the areas that are now northern France and Germany—masses of Jews began to move further to the east, where they were welcomed by the king of Poland. At the same time, as a result of the freer communications within the Muslim world, the communities in Iberia were in more frequent communication with those in North Africa and the Middle East. Meanwhile, communities further afield, in central and south Asia and central Africa, remained isolated and continued to develop their own unique traditions. Following the 1492 Expulsion from Spain, the Sephardim were dispersed to the Americas, the Netherlands, the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and in smaller numbers to other areas of the Middle East.
    Although the Jewish population was severely reduced by the Jewish-Roman Wars and the hostile policies of the Christian emperors,[2] Jews had always retained a presence in Palestine. In the 6th century, there were 43 Jewish communities in Palestine. During the Islam and Crusader periods, there were 50 communities which included Jerusalem, Tiberias, Ramleh, Ashkelon, Caesarea, and Gaza. During the early Ottoman Period there were 30 communities which included Haifa, Shechem, Hebron, Ramleh, Jaffa, Gaza, Jerusalem, and many in the north, the most dominant one being Safed which reached a population of 30,000 Jews by end of the 16th century.
    Over the centuries following the Crusades, Jews from around the world began emigrating in increasing numbers. Upon arrival, these Jews adopted the customs of the Mizrahi and Sephardi communities into which they moved. With Baron von Rothschild’s philanthropic land purchases and subsequent efforts to turn Palestine into a verdant Jewish homeland, and the subsequent rise of Zionism, a flood of Ashkenazi immigration brought the Jewish population of the region to several hundred thousand.
    [edit]Modern divisions

    Geographic illustration of the major Jewish ethnic divisions in Afro-Eurasia c. 1490 AD
    Historically, Jews have been identified into two major groups: the Ashkenazim, or “Germanics” (“Ashkenaz” meaning “Germany” in Medieval Hebrew, denoting their Central European base), and the Sephardim, or “Hispanics” (“Sefarad” meaning “Hispania” or “Iberia” in Hebrew, denoting their Spanish and Portuguese base). The Mizrahim, or “Easterners” (“Mizrach” being “East” in Hebrew), that is Middle Eastern and North African Jews, could constitute a third major group.
    Smaller Jewish groups include the Georgian Jews and Mountain Jews from the Caucasus; Indian Jews including the Bene Israel, Bnei Menashe, Cochin Jews and Bene Ephraim; the Romaniotes of Greece; the ancient Italian Jewish community; the Teimanim from the Yemen and Oman; various African Jews, including most numerously the Beta Israel of Ethiopia; the Bukharan Jews of Central Asia; and Chinese Jews, most notably the Kaifeng Jews, as well as various other distinct but now extinct communities.
    The divisions between all these groups are rough and their boundaries aren’t solid. The Mizrahim for example, are a heterogeneous collection of North African and Middle Eastern Jewish communities which are often as unrelated to each other as they are to any of the earlier mentioned Jewish groups. In modern usage, however, the Mizrahim are also termed Sephardi due to similar styles of liturgy, despite independent evolutions from Sephardim proper. Thus, among Mizrahim there are Iraqi Jews, Egyptian Jews, Tunisian Jews, Algerian Jews , Moroccan Jews Lebanese Jews, Kurdish Jews, Libyan Jews, Syrian Jews, and various others. The Yemenite Jews (“Teimanim”) from Yemen and Oman are sometimes included, although their style of liturgy is unique and they differ in respect to the admixture found among them to that found in Mizrahim. Additionally, there is a difference between the pre-existing Middle Eastern and North African Jewish communities as distinct from the descendants of those Sephardi migrants who established themselves in the Middle East and North Africa after the expulsion of the Jews from Spain by the Catholic Monarchs in 1492, and a few years later from the expulsion decreed in Portugal.
    Despite this diversity, Ashkenazi Jews represent the bulk of modern Jewry, estimated at between 70% and 80% of Jews worldwide[3][4] (and up to 90% prior to World War II and the Holocaust)[3]. As a result of their emigration from Europe during the wartime periods, Ashkenazim also represent the overwhelming majority of Jews in the New World continents and in countries previously without native Jewish communities, such as the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Argentina, Australia, Brazil and South Africa, with Venezuela and Panama being an exception since Sefaradim compose the majority of the Jewish communities in these two countries. In France, Mizrahi immigrants from North Africa and their descendants now outnumber pre-existing European Jews. Only in Israel is the Jewish population representative of all groups, a melting pot independent of each group’s proportion within the overall world Jewish population.
    [edit]Genetic studies of DNA
    See also: Y-chromosomal Aaron, Genealogical DNA test, and Matrilineality
    Main article: Genetic studies on Jews
    Despite the evident diversity displayed by the world’s distinct Jewish populations, both culturally and physically, genetic studies have demonstrated most of these to be genetically related to one another, having ultimately originated from a common ancient Israelite population that underwent geographic branching and subsequent independent evolutions.[5]
    A study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that “the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population”, and stated that “The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.”.[5] Researchers expressed surprise at the remarkable genetic uniformity they found among modern Jews, no matter where the diaspora has become dispersed around the world.[5]
    Moreover, DNA tests have demonstrated substantially less inter-marriage in most of the various Jewish ethnic divisions over the last 3,000 years than in other populations.[6] The findings lend support to traditional Jewish accounts accrediting their founding to exiled Israelite populations, and counters theories that many or most of the world’s Jewish populations were founded by entirely gentile populations that adopted the Jewish faith, as in the notable case of the historic Khazars.[6][7] Although groups such as the Khazars could have been absorbed into modern Jewish populations — in the Khazars’ case, absorbed into the Ashkenazim — it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Ashkenazi Jews, and much less that they were the genesis of the Ashkenazim.[8]
    Even the archetype of Israelite-origin is also beginning to be reviewed for some Jewish populations amid newer studies. Previously, the Israelite origin identified in the world’s Jewish populations was attributed only to the males who had migrated from the Middle East and then forged the current known communities with “the women from each local population whom they took as wives and converted to Judaism”.[9] Research in Ashkenazi Jews has suggested that, in addition to the male founders, significant female founder ancestry might also derive from the Middle East, with about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population descended matrilineally from just four women, or “founder lineages”, that were “likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool” originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE.[9]
    Points in which Jewish groups differ is largely in the source and proportion of genetic contribution from host populations.[10][11] As examples, the Teimanim differ from other Mizrahim, as well as from Ashkenazim, in the proportion of sub-Saharan African gene types which have entered their gene pools.[10] Among Yemenites, the average stands at 35% lineages within the past 3,000 years.[10] Yemenite Jews, as a traditionally Arabic-speaking community of local Yemenite and Israelite ancestries,[11] are included within the findings, though they average a quarter of the frequency of the non-Jewish Yemenite sample.[10] In Ashkenazi Jews, the proportion of male indigenous European genetic admixture amounts to around 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, and a total admixture estimate around 12.5%.[5] The only exception to this amongst Jewish communities is in the Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews); a 1999 genetic study came to the conclusion that “the distinctiveness of the Y-chromosome haplotype distribution of Beta Israel Jews from conventional Jewish populations and their relatively greater similarity in haplotype profile to non-Jewish Ethiopians are consistent with the view that the Beta Israel people descended from ancient inhabitants of Ethiopia who converted to Judaism.”[12][13] Another 2001 study did, however, find a possible genetic similarity between 11 Ethiopian Jews and 4 Yemenite Jews from the population samples.[14]
    DNA analysis further determined that modern Jews of the priesthood tribe — “Cohanim” — share a common ancestor dating back about 3,000 years.[15] This result is consistent for all Jewish populations around the world.[15] The researchers estimated that the most recent common ancestor of modern Cohanim lived between 1000 BCE (roughly the time of the Biblical Exodus) and 586 BCE, when the Babylonians destroyed the First Temple.[16] They found similar results analyzing DNA from Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews.[16] The scientists estimated the date of the original priest based on genetic mutations, which indicated that the priest lived roughly 106 generations ago, between 2,650 and 3,180 years ago depending whether one counts a generation as 25 or 30 years.[16]
    [edit]Geographic distribution

    Maltese Jews in Valletta, early 19th century

    Sephardi Jewish family descendants of Spanish expellees in Bosnia, 19th century

    An Indian Jewish family in Cochin, India, circa 1900

    Young Ashkenazi Jewish followers of the minority Haredi sect of Judaism, Jerusalem, 2005

    Ethiopian Jewish women at Jerusalem’s Western Wall, 2006

    Jews of the Atlas Mountains in North Africa, circa 1900

    Bukharan Jewish teacher and students in Samarkand, modern-day Uzbekistan, circa 1910

    Chinese Jews from the city of Kaifeng, China, circa 1900

    Kurdish Jews in Rawanduz, Iraqi Kurdistan, 1905

    Juhur Imuni (Mountain Jews) girls of the Caucasus, 1913
    Because of the independence of local communities, Jewish ethnicities, even when they circumscribe differences in liturgy, language, cuisine and other cultural accoutrements, are more often a reflection of geographic and historical isolation from other communities. It is for this reason that communities are referred to by referencing the historical region in which the community cohered when discussing their practices, regardless of where those practices are found today.
    The smaller groups number in the hundreds to tens of thousands, with the Georgian Jews (also known as Gruzinim or Qartveli Ebraeli) and Beta Israel being most numerous at somewhat over 100,000 each. Many members of these groups have now emigrated from their traditional homelands, largely to Israel. For example, only about 10 percent of the Gruzinim remain in Georgia.
    The Jewish communities of the modern world can all be found represented today in Israel, which is as much a melting pot as it is a salad bowl of different Jewish ethnic groups.
    A brief description of the extant communities, by the geographic regions with which they are associated, is as follows:
    [edit]Europe
    Ashkenazim are the descendants of Jews who migrated into northern France and Germany around 800-1000 AD, and later into Eastern Europe. Ashkenazim comprise the overwhelming majority of Jews, with approximately 80 percent of the Jewish total (prior to the Holocaust, they were an even greater percentage of world Jewry). Even among the Ashkenazim there are a number of major subgroups:
    Western Jews, stemming from northern France, from the Lowlands, historical Germany, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Switzerland, and Scandinavia, originally spoke Western Yiddish, which had less slavic influence than other Yiddish dialects. By the early 20th century, Yiddish was in decline in this population, and assimilation was proceeding rapidly. In Israel, a sometimes derogatory term for these Jews (also applied to Austrian Oberlander Jews), is Yekkes.
    Oberlander, originating in the Oberland region of Hungary and the district surrounding Bratislava in Slovakia, originally spoke western Yiddish. In modern times before the Holocaust, many Oberlander Jews migrated to urban centers of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and adopted German or Hungarian as their first language.
    Polish Jews, from Congress Poland.
    Central (Galitzianers) from Hungary, south-western Poland, western Ukraine and northern Serbia
    Lithuanian Jews (“Litvak Jews”), (North-eastern Europe)
    Southeastern, predominantly from Ukraine, Moldova and Romania
    Romaniotes are Greek-speaking Jews from the Balkans that lived there from the Hellenistic era until today.
    Sephardim are Jews whose ancestors lived in Spain or Portugal, where they lived for possibly as much as two millennia before being expelled in 1492 by the Catholic Monarchs (see Alhambra decree); they subsequently migrated to the Islamic North African Maghreb and Ottoman Empire (both at the time considered safe havens for Jews). In the Ottoman Empire the Sephardim mostly settled in the European portion of the Empire, and mainly in the major cities such as Constantinople, Thessaloniki, Sarajevo, Monastir – modern-day Bitola in the Republic of Macedonia, Sofia and other cities in Bulgaria, and Bursa. Prior to World War II, Thessaloniki, which today is the second largest city in Greece, had a large and flourishing Sephardic community of approximately 50,000. Another was the community of Maltese Jews in Malta. Others settled in Italy and the Netherlands, and Latin America. Among those who settled in the Netherlands, some would again relocate to the United States, establishing the countries first organized community of Jews and erecting the the United States’ first synagogue. Other Sephardim remained in Spain and Portugal as anusim (forced converts to Catholicism), which would also be the fate for those who had migrated to Spanish and Portuguese ruled Latin America.
    Spanish and Portuguese Jews Nação – West Europe Sephardim
    Iberian Crypto-Jews – Belmonte Jews of Portugal, the Xuetes of Balearic Islands.
    Bené Roma or Italkim represent many of the Italian Jews, though Italy also has both Ashkenazic and Sephardic communities.
    Chuts were Dutch Jews, observing an amalgam of Ashkenazi and Sephardi customs, living in London, although this community has almost completely been lost to history.
    San Nicandro Jews – A group of mid-20th century converts from Italy.
    [edit]The Caucasus and the Crimea
    Qartveli Ebraeli, or Gruzinim, are Georgian-speaking Jews from Georgia in the Caucasus.
    Juhurim are mountain Jews mainly from Daghestan and Azerbaijan in the eastern Caucasus.
    Krymchaks and Karaim are Turkic-speaking Jews of the Crimea and Eastern Europe. The Krymchaks practice Rabbinic Judaism, while the Karaim practice Karaite Judaism. Whether they are primarily the descendants of Israelite Jews who adopted Turkic language and culture, or the descendants of Turkic converts to Judaism, is still debated, although the question is irrelevant as far as Jewish law is concerned, according to which they are Jews, regardless of whether by Israelite descent or by conversion.
    The 750 Armenian Jews today comprise a minuscule remnant of an ancient population dating back over 2,500 years, and once numbering as many as 100,000.
    Subbotniks are a dwindling group of Jews from Azerbaijan and Armenia, whose ancestors were Russian peasants who converted to Judaism for unknown reasons in the 19th century.[17]
    [edit]North Africa, Middle East, Central Asia
    Jews originating from Muslim lands are generally called by the catch-all term Mizrahi Jews, more precise terms for particular groups are:
    Bukharian Jews are Jews from Central Asia. They get their name from the former Central Asian Emirate of Bukhara, which once had a large Jewish population.
    Maghrebim or Maaravim are the Jews from the Maghreb in North Africa . Jews were present since Antiquity , a lot of Jews settled in Lybia, Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco through Carthage and Roman empires. Laterly, the communities became even bigger, when the Jews of Al Andalus (Spain) had been expulsed out by Catholic Kings arrived and imposed their lithurgy and partially their rites . Maghrebim are classed as ethnically Mizrahi Jews and also as religiously Sephardi Jews. North Africa had the largest Jewish communities of the Arab world.
    Iraqi Jews are descendants of the Jews who have lived in Mesopotamia since the time of the Assyrian conquest of Samaria
    Kurdish Jews from Kurdistan, as distinct from the Persian Jews of central and eastern Persia, as well as from the lowland Iraqi Jews of Mesopotamia.
    Persian Jews from Iran (commonly called Parsim in Israel) have a 2700-year history. One of the oldest Jewish communities of the world, Persian Jews constitute the largest Jewish community in the Middle East outside Israel.
    Yemenite Jews (Temanim) are Oriental Jews whose geographic and social isolation from the rest of the Jewish community allowed them to develop a liturgy and set of practices that are significantly distinct from other Oriental Jewish groups; they themselves comprise three distinctly different groups, though the distinction is one of religious law and liturgy rather than of ethnicity.
    Palestinian Jews are Jewish inhabitants of Palestine throughout certain periods of Middle Eastern history. After the modern State of Israel was born, nearly all native Palestinian Jews became citizens of Israel, and the term “Palestinian Jews” largely fell into disuse.
    Egyptian Jews are generally Jews thought to have descended from the great Jewish communities of Hellenistic Alexandria, mixed with many more recent groups of immigrants. These include Babylonian Jews following the Muslim conquest; Jews from Palestine following the Crusades; Sephardim following the expulsion from Spain; Italian Jews settling for trading reasons in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries; and Jews from Aleppo in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.
    Lebanese Jews are the Jews that lived around Beirut. After the Lebanese Civil War, the community’s emigration appears to have been completed; few remain in Lebanon today.
    Moroccan Jews are Jews from the North African country of Morocco. Today they are largely considered Sephardic Jews, though most are likely the descendants of both the pre-existing Tochavim Jews and later Spanish and Portuguese Jews (ie. Sephardim) fleeing from the Spanish Inquisition in 1492.
    Omani Jews are the early Jewish community of Sohar. They are thought to be descendants of Ishaq bin Yahuda, a Sohari merchant around the first millennium. This community is believed to have disappeared by 1900.
    Syrian Jews are generally divided into two groups: those who inhabited Syria from the time of King David (1000 B.C.), and those who fled to Syria after the Spanish Inquisition (1492 A.D), at the invitation of the Ottoman sultan. There were large communities in both Aleppo and Damascus for centuries. In the early 20th century a large percentage of Syrian Jews emigrated to the U.S., South America, and Israel. Today there are almost no Jews left in Syria. The largest Syrian-Jewish community is located in Brooklyn, New York, and is estimated at 40,000.
    [edit]Sub-Saharan Africa
    Main article: Jews and Judaism in Africa
    Abayudaya of Uganda
    Beta Israel or Falashim of Ethiopia, tens of thousands of whom were brought to Israel during Operation Solomon and Operation Moses. Studies have thus far considered them to be descendants of local Ethiopian conversions[18] which occurred over 600 years ago.
    Descendants of the Jews of the Bilad el-Sudan (West Africa). Jews whose ancestry was derived from the communities that once existed in the Ghana, Mali, and Songhay Empire. Anusim in and around Mali who descend from Jewish migrations from North Africa, East Africa, and Spain.
    The House of Israel, several hundred Sefwi tribesmen in Ghana
    The emergent Igbo Jewish community of Nigeria, perhaps as many as 30,000 strong (although many of them maintain a belief in the Messiahship of Jesus and adhere to basic tenets of Christianity that are mutually exclusive of normative Judaism).
    The Lemba in Malawi which number as many as 40,000. This group claims descent from ancient Israelite tribes that migrated down to southern Africa via southern Arabia. Genetic testing has partially upheld these claims[19]. Many are now moving toward practising normative Judaism.
    The Jews of Rusape, Zimbabwe, also claim descent from ancient Jewish communities. Although they held a belief in Jesus as a prophet, the community is now shifting towards mainstream Judaism and abandoning their belief in Jesus. They are not considered as Jews by most of the Jewish world.
    South African Jews make up the largest community of Jews in Africa. Dutch Sephardic Jews were among the first permanent residents of Cape Town when the city was founded by the VOC in 1652. Today, however, most of South Africa’s Jews are Ashkenazi and, in particular, of Lithuanian descent.
    Communities also existed in São Tomé e Príncipe, descended from Portuguese Jewish youths expelled during the Inquisition.
    [edit]South and East Asia
    Bene Israel are the Jews of Mumbai, India, most of whom now reside in Israel.
    Cochin Jews are also Indian Jews from south-western India, most of whom also now reside in Israel. Included among these are the Paradesi Jews.
    Syrian Malabar Nasranis (or Nasranis) are Christians in south-western India who trace their origins to early Nazarene Jews. They are Jews by genealogy and descent and also related to the Cochin Jews and to Ashkenazi Jews as proved recently by DNA studies on the community. Some of them also are reported to carry the Cohen gene marker, Cohen Modal Haplotype, indicating Aaronic descent for some.
    Baghdadi Jews [2] Those Jews came from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Arab countries who settled in India in 18th century.
    Bnei Menashe. A group of Jews living in Manipur and Mizoram in north-eastern India, claiming descent from the dispersed Biblical Tribe of Menasseh.
    Bene Ephraim, the Telugu-speaking Jews of Kottareddipalem in Andhra Pradesh, India.
    Chinese Jews: most prominent were the Kaifeng Jews, an ancient Jewish community in China, descended from merchants living in China from at least the era of the Tang dynasty. Today functionally extinct, although several hundred descendants have recently begun to explore and reclaim their heritage.
    Pakistani Jews: There was a thriving Jewish community in Pakistan particularly around the city of Karachi but also in other urban areas up north such as in Peshawer and Lahore. The origins of the Jewish community was mixed with some being Bene Israel, Bukharan Jews and Baghdadi Jews. In the late 1980s and 1990s, Jewish refugees from Iran had also came via Pakistan’s Balochistan province and reached Karachi until the Iranian government closed down the operation. Most of Pakistan’s Jewish community has not relocated to Israel and Pakistan’s Jewish population is believed to number around 700.
    [edit]Americas
    Most Jewish communities in the Americas are descendants of Jews who found their way there at different times of modern history. The great majority of recognized Jews on both the North American and South American continents are Ashkenazi, particularly among Jews in the United States. There are also Sephardi, Mizrahim and other diaspora groups represented (as well as mixes of any or all of these) as mentioned above. Some unique communities associated with the Americas include:
    Hispanic Crypto-Jews are the descendants of Sephardi immigrants to the New World escaping the Spanish Inquisition in Spain and Portugal. Following the establishment of the Inquisition in the Iberian colonies, again they hid their ancestry and beliefs. Their numbers are difficult to ascertain as most are at least nominally Catholic, having been forcefully converted, converted for forms sake, or married into the religion. Collectively, people of Jewish descent in Latin America could surpass the millions. Most would be of mixed ancestry, although a few claim some communities may have been able to maintain a degree of endogamy (marrying only other Crypto-Jews) throughout the centuries. They may or may not consider themselves Jewish, some may continue to preserve some of their Jewish heritage in secrecy, many others may not even be aware of it. The majority would not be halakhically Jewish, but small numbers of various communities have formally returned to Judaism over the past decade, legitimizing their status as Jews. See also Anusim.
    Amazonian Jews are the mixed descendants of Moroccan Jewish communities in Belém, Santarém, Manaus, Iquitos, Tarapoto and many river villages in the Amazon basin in Brazil and Peru.
    Iquitos Jews are the “accidental” descendants of mostly Moroccan Jewish traders and tappers who arrived in the Peruvian Amazon city of Iquitos during the rubber boom of the 1880s. Since their Jewish descent was patrilineal (Jewish traders had been all males who coupled up with local mestizo or Amerindian females), their Jewishness is not recognised according to halakha. An enduring casta system stemming from the colonial period has resulted in virtually no interaction between the Iquitos Jews and the small, mostly Ashkenazi Jewish, population concentrated in Lima (under 3,000) who are integrated into Lima’s elite white minority. Thanks to efforts made by Israeli outreach programmes, some have formally returned to Judaism, made aliyah and now live in Israel.
    B’nai Moshe are converts to Judaism originally from Trujillo, Peru. They are also known as Inca Jews, a name derived from the fact that they can trace indigenous Amerindian descent, as most are mestizos (persons of both Spanish and Amerindian descent) though none with any known ancestors from other Jewish communities. Again, there is no interaction between Peru’s small Ashkenazi population and the Inca Jews. At the neglect of the Ashkenazi community, the conversions were conducted under the auspices of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel. Most have made aliyah and now live in Israel, while a few hundred more of the same community are awaiting conversions.
    Veracruz Jews are a recently emergent community of Jews in Veracruz, Mexico. Whether they are gentile converts to Judaism or descendants of anusim returning to Judaism is speculative. Most claim they descend from anusim.
    [edit]Israel; The Exiles Ingathered

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    By the time the State of Israel was proclaimed, the majority of Jews in the state and the region were Ashkenazi. Following the declaration of the state, a flood of Jewish migrants and refugees entered Israel from the Arab world and the Muslim world in general. Most were Sephardim and Mizrahim, Jews from the Maghreb, Yemenite Jews, Bukhorim, Persian Jews, Iraqi Jews, Kurdish Jews, and smaller communities, principally from Libya, Egypt and Turkey. More recently, other communities have also arrived including Ethiopian Jews and Indian Jews. Because of the relative homogeneity of Ashkenazic Jewry, especially by comparison to the diversity of the many smaller communities, over time in Israel, all Jews from Europe came to be called “Ashkenazi” in Israel, whether or not they had any connection with Germany, while Jews from Africa and Asia have come to be called “Sephardi”, whether or not they had any connection with Spain. One reason is that most African and Asian Jewish communities use the Sephardic prayer ritual and abide by the rulings of Sephardic rabbinic authorities, and therefore consider themselves to be “Sephardim” in the broader sense of “Jews of the Spanish rite”, though not in the narrower sense of “Spanish Jews”. Similarly “Ashkenazim” has the broader sense of “Jews of the German rite”.
    The founders of modern Israel, mostly European-descended people, believed themselves superior to these new arrivals. With higher degrees of Western-standard education, they were better positioned to take full advantage of the emerging Western-style liberal democracy and Western mode of living which they themselves had established as the cultural norm in Palestine during the pre-state era.
    Cultural and/or “racial” biases against the newcomers were compounded by the fledgling state’s lack of financial resources and inadequate housing to handle the massive population influx. Thus, hundreds of thousands of new Sephardic immigrants were sent to live in tent cities in outlying areas. Sephardim (in its wider meaning) were often victims of discrimination, and were sometimes called schwartze (meaning “black” in Yiddish).
    Worse than housing discrimination was the differential treatment accorded the children of these immigrants, many of whom were tracked by the largely European education establishment into dead-end “vocational” schools, without any real assessment of their intellectual capacities. Mizrahi Jews protested their unfair treatment, and even established the Israeli Black Panthers movement with the mission of working for social justice.
    The effects of this early discrimination still linger a half-century later, as documented by the studies of the Adva Center [20], a think tank on social equality, and by other Israeli academic research (cf., for example, Tel Aviv University Professor Yehuda Shenhav’s article in Hebrew documenting the gross underrepresentation of Sephardic Jewry in Israeli high school history textbooks,[21]. Every Israeli prime minister has been Ashkenazi, although Sephardim and Mizrahim have attained the (ceremonial) presidency and other high positions. The student bodies of Israel’s universities remain overwhelmingly European in origin, despite the fact that roughly half the country’s population is non-European. And the tent cities of the 1950s morphed into so-called “development towns”. Scattered over border areas of the Negev Desert and the Galilee, far from the bright lights of Israel’s major cities, most of these towns never had the critical mass or ingredients to succeed as places to live, and they continue to suffer from high unemployment, inferior schools, and chronic brain drain.
    While the Israeli Black Panthers no longer exist,[21] the Mizrahi Democratic Rainbow Coalition and many other NGOs carry on the struggle for equal access and opportunity in housing, education, and employment for the country’s underprivileged populace – still largely composed of Sephardim and Mizrahim, joined now by newer immigrants from Ethiopia and the Caucasus Mountains.
    Intermarriage of all these regathered Jewish ethnic groups was initially uncommon, due in part to distances of each group’s settlement in Israel, and cultural and/or “racial” biases. In recent generations, however, the barriers were lowered by state sponsored assimilation of all the Jewish ethnic groups into a common Sabra (native-born Israeli) identity which facilitated extensive “mixed-marriages”.
    [edit]Statistics

    The ethnic division of The Jewish population of Israel (including non Halackic Russians) as of 2008 is as follows.
    Ethnic Makeup of Jewish Population of Israel[citation needed]
    TOTAL 5,818,000 100%
    Mizrahi Jews and Sephardic Jews 2,921,000 50.2%
    Morocco 800,000 15.2%
    Iraq 404,000 7.7%
    Yemen 295,000 4.9%
    Iran 236,000 4.0%
    Algeria/Tunisia 224,000 3.8%
    Other Asia 150,000 2.5%
    Turkey 147,000 2.5%
    Libya 136,000 2.3%
    Egypt 112,000 1.9%
    Other Asia 200,000 1.7%
    India/Pakistan 76,000 1.3%
    Latin America 25,000 0.04%
    Other Africa (Not South Africa) 3,000 0.05%
    Beta Israel 130,000 2.2%
    Ethiopia 130,000 2.2%
    Ashkenazi Jews 2,767,000 47.5%
    Russia 1,018,000 20.9%
    Poland 400,000 8.3%
    Romania 351,000 7.6%
    Other Europe 168,000 3.7%
    North America (Including 4,000 African American Black Hebrews) 165,000 2.8%
    Germany/Austria 160,000 2.7%
    Latin America 82,000 1.4%
    Bulgaria/Greece 97,000 1.9%
    Hungary 63,000 1.3%
    Czechoslovakia 60,000 1.2%
    South Africa 20,000 0.4%
    The errors occurring due to these calculations were:
    There was no distinction made between Sephardim and Ashkenazim. (If the Sephardim, Mountain Jews and other non-Ashkenazi groups are included in Mizrachim, then Mizrachim will outnumber Ashkenazim by a margin of 52 to 48).
    Many Sephardim from Turkey were counted as Mizrachim.
    Mountain Jews, Georgian Jews and Bukharan Jews who together constitute ~15% of FSU Jews counted as Ashkenazim until 1996 (until 1996, Central Asia and the Caucasian Republics were counted as part of Europe. After 1996, from 1997 onwards they were counted as part of Asia).
    The Harbin Jews (~1,000) from China counted as Mizrachim, although they were Russian speaking Ashkenazim.
    After 1996, Russian speaking Ashkenazim from Kazakhstan, Kyrghizia and Armenia counted as Mizrachim.
    Close to 20,000 South African Jews were classified as Mizrachim, although almost all of them are Ashkenazim (Lithuanian, English and Afrikaans speaking).
    A few hundred Black Hebrews from the United States were classified as Ashkenazim.
    All Jews from Latin America were classified as Ashkenazim, although significant numbers are Sephardim (15-20% in Argentina and Mexico, 20%+ in Brazil, similar percentages in other countries). Close to three fifths of the Latin American Jews in Israel are Argentine, with one tenth each from Uruguay and Brazil.
    86,000 Bulgarian/Greek Jews are classified as Ashkenazim, although the majority are Sephardim/Romaniotes.
    Jews whose Jewishness was not recognized were not counted; almost all of them were Ashkenazim (~275,000 in 2007).
    [edit]See also

    Jews by country
    History of the Jews
    Jews and Judaism in the African diaspora
    Lost Tribes of Israel
    Harry Ostrer
    [edit]References

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    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 1, 2010

  161. Leslie Schwartz, is that Hebrew, or what? I think not. No Hebrew would ever bear the name of Leslie Schwartz. Therefore, it must be a Khazar impostor, formerly of Germany, or Poland. It really doesn’t matter, because you are not German or Polish, either. What the hell are you? Could you be Khazar? Of course, you are. You are a mongrelized mutt, known as the Khazars, the bastardy of the army of Genghis Khan, and the Khazar women, who were raped, as Khazaria was pillaged, the spoils of war. Your bellicose nature clearly emanates from the agression of Khan’s mighty army. Unfortunately, you are ashamed of your heritage. Therefore, you post all of this nonsense on this blog, which is mere cannon fodder, propaganda, for the uniformed. What a waste of your time, a waste of your life, for you could have been somebody, you could have been a contender, in some forum, other that a defender of the greatest hoax, in human history, as Mr. Koestler so aptly put it.

    Comment by Ron | May 5, 2010

    • Well Ron, you took a day off from spewing hatred, but your back now, good.

      You, Ron will never know what a Jew or a Hebrew is because you are incapable of learning anything that does not agree with your unfounded prejudices.

      I am Jewish, there are many people of every sort of ethnicity who are Jewish, who are not primarily Semitic ethnically, and they are no-less Jewish than a person of the Semitic ethnicity who is Jewish.

      Furthermore, the Koestler hypothesis has been tested scientifically thru DNA studies, and most Jews (>>90%) are not Khazar in their ethnicity.

      Being Semitic is not a requirement for being Jewish, and the patriarch of the Jewish people, was not Semitic.

      You have a warped childish view of what it means to be Jewish, and if anything our exchanges have proven it is that you are incapable of learning anything on these points.

      You are unable to give a single accredited first world scientist or university faculty member who will say in public that the Koestler hypothesis is factual.

      In fact the only people who believe it at this time are demented nut jobs like yourself.

      If you are demented enough to believe that the Book of Revelations has any contact with reality, that is proof enough that you are incapable of a rational analysis of these issues and facts.

      I do feel sorry for you, you are wallowing in a muddle of hatreds and misapprehensions, and do not have the mental strength to pull yourself out of the muddle.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 5, 2010

  162. Teller, Oppenheimer, Einstein, all Khazars, genius, or demons? They all collaborated to build the nuclear warheads unleashed on Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Are they heroes,or villains? David Ben Gurion, inventor of TNT, villain or hero? Theodore Herzl, the lunatic, who began the First World Zionist Convention, in 1897, hero, or villain? Ariel Sharon, mass murderer at Deir Yassin, hero or villain? Karl Marx, villain, or hero? Benjamin D’Israeli, villain or hero? Did you know that Adolph Hitler was the grandson of Baron Rothschild, of Vienna? Hero, or Villain? Mayer Amschel Rothschild, hero, or villain? Was Abraham Lincoln a Khazar? Abraham is not a common name, among the goyim? Can you think of another goy, named Abraham? Can you think of another goy, named Lincoln? What is the goyim? In the Khazar language, or Yiddish, it means “cattle.” The cattle are restless, and the Khazars are in danger. Beware of the stampede.

    Comment by Ron | May 5, 2010

    • Clearly, your remarks indicate your prejudices and paranoia.

      You are also wrong about Yiddish, it is also not ‘a Khazarian language’.

      Ron, when it comes to anything having to do factually with the Jewish, Hebrew people you are an ignoramus.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 5, 2010

  163. Leslie, you are the demented one, in total denial, in total defiance of the facts. You and your kindred spirits are trying to hang on to power, but your grip is slipping. While you are a sycophant of the ruling elite Khazars, personally, you have no power, and thus, no gold. Do you see any Rothschilds, Warburgs, Rockefellers, Fuggers, Kuhns, Loebs, etc., on this blog? Of course, they are too busy wreaking havoc on an uninformed and unsuspecting world, to waste their precious time on some inanity like this. That merely documents your irrlevancy, Leslie Swhartz. You are a peasant Khazar, Leslie Schwartz. They do not give a damn about you, but you are their most ardent supporter/defender. They would just as soon throw you under the bulldozer, as they did Rachel Corrie. As one Rothschild once said, “One million dead jews are not worth the value of one cow in Palestine.” So much for unity, and mutual love among Khazars, huh?

    Comment by Ron | May 5, 2010

    • Ron, what you have written again is a non sequitur, you can not be in denial of something that is not true in the first place.

      You never have said anything that is true about Jews, Hebrews, Khazars, or anything else for that matter.

      You are paranoid though and like any like paranoid, delusional ignoramus you mistake your delusional imaginings for truth.

      Sorry, Ron, that is your problem, not mine, and I feel no need to deny what is not true in the first place.

      These crooked, mangled thoughts are yours not mine, and I am not responsible for straightening them out.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 5, 2010

  164. Leslie, read The Thirteenth Tribe, in its entirety. It is free on the internet. Listen to Benjamin Freedman, as he speaks the truth. Read the writings of Eustace Mullins, John O. Beaty, Alfred Lilienthal, Nesta Webster, and numerous others. The Encyclopedia Judaica, and numerous other prestigious reference sources say that current world jewry is overwhelmingly Khazar. You can lie all you want, and your “accredited Khazar” scientists and propagate nonsense all they want, but that will not alter one helix of your Mongoloid DNA. Mongolian, Mongoloid, what’s the difference? Yes, one is Down’s Syndrome, and the other originated in Mongolia. You are the former, so that explains your lack of intellect.

    Comment by Ron | May 6, 2010

    • I’ve read it (13th Tribe) several times, as well as nearly everything Eustace Mullins published.

      Whoever says modern Jewish populations are predominantly of Khazarian descent are wrong, and this has been established by scientific DNA testing, there have been dozens of studies confirming this.

      It does not matter how many ethnographic studies misstate facts, they are still mistaken.

      You are really pathetic, you are so overwhelming consumed by this dementia and hatred.

      Like I said its your problem, not mine.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 6, 2010

  165. Confirmed by Khazar propagandists, not by anyone else. Where is the objectivity? Qui bono?

    Comment by Ron | May 7, 2010

    • Wrong, confirmed by geneticists world wide, in accredited universities and medical centers.

      And you are unable to give us the name of one legitimate geneticists in a first world university or medical research center who will agree with the nonsense you keep posting, that all modern Jewish populations are Khazarian descendants. Like I said Ron, put up or shut up.

      The only person you are going to influence with this tripe you keep posting is another hate filled ignoramus like yourself.

      You are totally ignorant on the entire topic.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 7, 2010

  166. Ron,

    Here is someone you should become familiar with, a person who was a mentally ill hater like you who came back to reality, and human decency;
    ____

    http://www.frankmeeink.com/

    Frank Meeink became a SkinHead at 13. by 18 he was roaming the country as a SkinHead leader and Neo-Nazi recruiter, with gangs that would beat people indiscriminately. In Illinois he had his own cable-access TV show, “The Reich”. He was finally arrested and convicted of kidnapping and beating a member of a rival SkinHead gang.

    While in prison he befriended men he used to think he hated, men of different races. After being released from prison, Meeink tried to rejoin his old SkinHead pals but couldn’t bring himself to hate those whom he now knew to be his friends.

    Now a noted speaker, author and founder of Harmony Through Hockey, Frank’s life stands for tolerance, diversity and mutual understanding in racial, political and all aspects of society. Frank is truly an inspiration in any time of strife and conflict.
    ____

    Just as you now believe all sorts of totally asinine theories due to your irrational hatreds, this individual should be an example for you, that is if you are a true Christian.

    Given that Frank Meeink admitted his insane hatreds to himself, and overcame them, and returned to reason and rationality, perhaps there is hope for you?

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 8, 2010

  167. Leslie, live on in your fantasy world. The only “accredited scientists” you can cite are your own Khazar apologists, who attempt to perpetuate the myth of Khazar Hebrews, which is an impossibility. You cannot convert to the seed/DNA. The Hebrew religion is the world’s only blood religion, and you simply cannot join it. There is a divine reason for this genetic exclusivity. If Yahweh wanted a global covenant, he would not have chosen Abram, with whom to make this exclusive contract. The interloper may use his vast economic resources to rewrite history, but that does authenticate the disinformation. Hate has nothing to do with, I merely repudiate the most cruel hoax in human history. When DNA experts in China, India, and other advanced societies, with no ax to grind, no agenda, jump on board with your Khazar “exerts,” then we will have something to discuss. Until then, the jury is out.

    Comment by Ron | May 10, 2010

    • Ron, you ARE mentally unbalanced.

      All of this crap you post is imaginary hate based BS.

      It does not merit a detailed response, it is total garbage.

      In your paranoid world, everyone who does agree with your BS is a “Khazarian Jew”, which is just more BS.

      As I have said before, the only people who would agree with you and dispute the scientific proof I have presented are more mentally deranged hate filled ignoramuses like yourself.

      Hundreds of scientific research studies and articles from them are available on the internet which illustrate the range of ethnicities among Jewish populations and scientific testing backed up by accredited Universities and Research hospitals have proved the Koestler hypothesis wrong conclusively.

      As to your ideas as to religion, you are equally deranged in those beliefs as well, these are so far off the mark they do not merit any response whatsoever.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 10, 2010

  168. “experts”

    Comment by Ron | May 10, 2010

    • Indeed, experts, and not mentally deranged hate filled ignoramus like your self.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 10, 2010

  169. Here is another case study in the redemption of a hater who repented.

    How do you know if YOU need redemption?

    Well if your drawn to web pages like this one every day to put up some additional race and or religion based words of hate, (as Ron is) you are no Christian and you need to change direction 180 degrees, and take up the work for your redemption.

    http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/18860/ex-skinhead-offers-a-lesson-in-redemption-in-berkeley/

    Ex-skinhead offers a lesson in redemption in Berkeley
    by dan pine, Bulletin Correspondent
    Follow j. on and
    The Jews have a word for it: tshuvah, meaning “turning” or “repentance.” Tim Zaal is not Jewish, but he embodies the essence of tshuvah.

    A former neo-Nazi skinhead with a violent history, Zaal now renounces his past. Under the aegis of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, he frequently speaks to Jewish groups, apologizing for his actions and telling his life story as a cautionary tale about the corrosive dangers of hate.

    Last weekend, Zaal spoke to a small audience at Berkeley’s Chabad House, sponsored by Chabad’s student group, The Farbrengen Society.

    It was an incongruous sight: the imposing 6-foot-3-inch figure of Zaal, 38, still with shaved head and fearsome jailhouse tattoos, side-by-side with kippah-covered Chabadniks. His first words to the gathering: “I’m no longer a skinhead, so you don’t have to be afraid of me.”

    Zaal began his presentation by screening “The Wave,” a simplistic yet powerful after-school TV special from the ’80s based on a real-life 1967 experiment in mob psychology.

    In the film, a charismatic high school history teacher seeks to explain the acquiescence of Nazi-era Germans by exhorting students to launch their own “movement.” Things get out of hand, as some unwilling participants are roughed up and scorned. Finally, the teacher reveals the truth to his stunned students, who realize they’d become complicit thugs.

    After the film, Zaal recounted his own history, growing up in a working-class neighborhood in L.A. County’s San Gabriel Valley. When his older brother was shot by a black gang and nearly killed, Zaal experienced a profound fear of racial minorities. “That’s where hate comes from,” he said. “It’s a reaction to fear.”

    As a teen, Zaal discovered heavy metal, punk rock and racist literature. In time, he met notorious white power leader Tom Metzger, later becoming his bodyguard and chief lieutenant.

    Thus began Zaal’s indoctrination into the ideology of the white power movement, which foresees a coming race war, and requires adherents to prepare with paramilitary training and acts of violence.

    “We believed we were in ZOG-occupied territory: Zionist Occupied Government.” said Zaal. “Metzger was my new Daddy,”

    For years, Zaal “ate, slept, and drank white power,” covering his body with Nazi tattoos, and immersing himself in the movement. In the early ’90s, he was convicted of aggravated assault on an Iranian couple, and sentenced to a year in prison.

    Time in jail only fueled his fury. Upon parole, Zaal launched a new group, the Western Hammerskins, which today is a worldwide hate organization. “I wanted to be the next Hitler,” said Zaal.

    Once in his 30s, Zaal began to have twinges of conscience, and he started questioning the illogical arguments of his racist theories. Why, for example, should the movement endorse Holocaust revisionism when it was supposedly a good thing to kill Jews?

    The kicker came when his then-wife told Zaal if she ever learned that their young son had even one drop of non-white blood in him, she would personally kill the child.”This is Aryan family values,” said Zaal. “The message is pure evil.”

    Zaal thus headed down the long road of repentance. He left his wife (a committed racist serving a long prison sentence for her hate crimes), left the movement and started reaching out for help. He began by opening himself up to Judaism and Jews. “My first time in a synagogue was very confusing,” Zaal recounts. He also assumed custody of his son, 10, who he says is a very disturbed boy.

    Zaal also warned that the white power movement is growing ever more sophisticated and insidious, eschewing shaved heads and jackboots, preferring now to blend in with mainstream society and recruiting via the Internet.

    Audience members were moved by Zaal’s presentation. Said Baruch Goldberg of Berkeley, “I thought it was encouraging that after having gone through that, he could see through the lies and want to do good.”

    The admiration ran both ways. Said Zaal to his all-Jewish audience, “People in the movement believe Jews are evil. But I can tell you, they don’t know what they’re missing.”

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 10, 2010

  170. Leslie Schwartz, I do admire your tenacity, even if it is born of delusions. You are nothing, if not doggedly rooted in your individual/group psychosis, which really is quite dangerous for the world. Leslie, tell me, have you ever read “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion?” Please, expound upon them. Do you think that they are a forgery? Are they factual, hate speech, or what?

    Comment by Ron | May 11, 2010

  171. Ron, the idea that a single ‘race’ or religious group would or could take over and control all of humanity, all nations, the media of all nations, is beyond ridiculous.

    I hope that you will gather the experience and outlook in life to realize just how preposterous the whole paranoiac belief you share really is.

    And I can assure you, if all ‘Jews” were somehow to organize around the idea that they should control humanity, the nations, the media and religious ideas of all of humanity, they would not formulate such a crude, blunt force, and blatant approach.

    Don’t you know that similarly ridiculous and false assertions are made about Jesuits, Mason’s, ‘Illuminati’,
    Christian Zionists, aliens from Zeta Riticula, etc.?

    The problem is that with your paranoid blinders on, you can not see or admit the facts which show the allegations about the protocols of zion are absurdly false.

    Consider your assertion that every university in every advanced nation and every biological and medical department in every such University and hospital is controlled by Jews, and specifically “Kazarian Jews”; its preposterous.

    All you have to do is look thru the names of who are present in those departments to realize how false your paranoid ideas are.

    Jews certainly do tend towards occupations in science and medicine and law, though. But they hardly constitute a means of absolute control, forcing others to support ideas or practices that they as Christians, Muslims, Buddhists would not otherwise support.

    The same is true in government, media, business management, etc.

    Reality isn’t so simple, with villain’s like cartoonishly evil characters as you or the protocols of zion hypothesize to exist.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 11, 2010

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  173. All of this talk about Ashkenazi Jews being Khazars is BS, its disproven by genetic testing. At most, 12% of modern Jewish populations have some haplotypes in common with Khazars, but they also have haplotypes in common with ancient Jewish populations. And this nonsense is one of the most commonly repeated bits of BS on the internet.

    Its also irrelevant.

    However, some people use it because they think it means Ashkenazi (European Jews) can not have a claim to a homeland in the middle east, since they are not ethnically identical to Jews who lived in the middle east 2000 years ago. But then Jews of 2000 years ago are not genetically identical to the immediate descendants of Abram, who likely was not Semetic, since he was a member of the Sumerian nobility, who were refugees of a destroyed civilization on the east coast of India, which is now under water, due to the end of the last ice age. Those people (founders of the Sumerian high civilization) were a mix of Australoid and Caucasoid peoples, as is shown in excavations of Sumerian nobility, and this mix of features still exists to some extent in some modern Jewish populations.

    The Assyrian and Babylonian civilizations (derivative or offshoot civilizations of Sumeria) were Semitic because as the Arabian pennsula became a desert, Semitic peoples migrated in large numbers eastward into the Mesopotamian region. And just to make this all more confusing, Semitic peoples had an earlier genetic influence from peoples migrating southward from the Eurasian Steppes.

    All of this s proven by genetic testing.

    The truth is our (everyone’s) genetic makeup is very complex, and notions of race as this Khazarian myth presumes it to be is nonsense scientifically.

    But who is to say, does god’s promise to ancient Jews (made to Abram – Abraham) depend on their mix of genetic haplotypes? That questions also introduces religion into the discussion and is also unresolvable.

    The whole topic makes some people irrational to the point where the facts do not matter to them.

    I believe the real issue is how can Jews and Palestinians live in peace in the middle east. All the rest is really BS.

    I am just really tired of hearing this Khazarian BS repeated over and over again, by people who think this gives them some leverage over Jews.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 13, 2010

    • Hi,

      1980 Jewish Almanac
      “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.”
      (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3).

      The Jewish Encyclopedia:
      “Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania.”

      The American Peoples Encyclopedia
      … for 1954 at 15-292 records the following in reference to the Khazars: “In the year 740 A.D. the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A century later they were crushed by the incoming Slavic-speaking people and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews.

      rgds

      Comment by mosesman | May 13, 2010

      • Its wrong to call Khazarians mongolian or Asiatic, and its wrong because it mis-identifies their origins.

        Its also wrong to assert that Khazarian descendants formed the major part of any Jewish population in a nation of Europe.

        These definitions are based on outdated ethnographic studies and are not born out by genetic studies of those Jewish populations.

        And there are several million contemporary Jews in Israel, who certainly are Israelites.

        And further, no one knows precisely what the origins of the term “Hebrew” is, but as a slang term it is used interchangeably with Jew.

        Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 13, 2010

  174. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrews

    Hebrews
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This article is about the Hebrew people. For the book of the Bible, see Epistle to the Hebrews.
    Hebrews (or Hebertes, Eberites, Hebreians; Hebrew: עברים or עבריים, Standard ʿIvrim, ʿIvriyyim Tiberian ʿIḇrîm, ʿIḇriyyîm, “traverse or pass over”) is a term used in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) and is regarded by many scholars as being synonymous with the Israelites.

    In the Bible there are numerous references to Hebrews, but the exact scope of the references is the subject of some debate. For example, Abraham is referred to once as the Test Hebrew (i.e. Ivri). (Genesis 14:13) The term Hebrew occurs both as a name given to the Children of Israel by other peoples, and one used to refer to themselves. For example, Joseph says he came from the “land of the Hebrews” in Genesis 40:15, but that may be using terminology which is familiar to an Egyptian. YHWH the God of Israel, also uses the description “God of the Hebrews” when instructing Moses on how to address Pharaoh in Exodus 3:18, but that may be a reference to the terminology of the Egyptians for the Israelites. But the term is also used in Exodus 1:16-19 when addressing an Egyptian; but in 2:11 and 2:13 the term is used in the same passages that refer to the Children of Israel. The term is also used in a general sense in Exodus 21:2, Deuteronomy 15:12 and Jeremiah 34:9 to refer directly to the Children of Israel. Jonah calls himself a Hebrew in Jonah 1:9.

    The Hebrews are generally regarded as either the same people or as ancestors of the Israelites, but some regard the use of the term by the Egyptians as referring to all peoples who came “across the river” (meaning a category of foreigner) of which the Israelites were a small part.

    Contents [hide]
    1 Etymology
    2 Hebrews vs. Israelites vs. Jew
    2.1 Political implications
    3 Language
    4 Habiru vs. Hebrews
    5 See also
    6 References
    6.1 Bibliography
    6.2 Notes
    [edit]Etymology

    The origin of the term remains uncertain.[1] The biblical word Ivri (Hebrew: עברי), meaning to traverse or pass over, is usually rendered as Hebrew in English, from the ancient Greek Ἑβραῖος and Latin Hebraeus. In the plural it is Ivrim, or Ibrim.

    The term is believed to be derived from the word eber, or ever, meaning beyond, or the “other side” and refers to Abraham, and the Children of Israel, who crossed over the Jordan River, into the land of Canaan.[citation needed] In Genesis 10:21 Shem, the elder brother of Japheth and first son to Noah is referred to as the ancestor of the Hebrews.[citation needed]

    Some authors believe Hebrew/Ibri denotes the descendants of the biblical patriarch Eber (Hebrew עבר), son of Shelah, a great grandson of Noah and an ancestor of Abraham[2], though the term has not been found in biblical or extra-biblical sources for any tribe or nation other than Abraham and his descendants.[3]

    The name “Hebrew” could also be related to the seminomadic Habiru people, who are recorded in Egyptian inscriptions of the 13th and 12th centuries BC as having settled in Egypt.[3]

    [edit]Hebrews vs. Israelites vs. Jew

    See also: Israelites, Who is a Jew?, and History of ancient Israel and Judah
    Israelites are defined as the descendants of Jacob, son of Isaac, grandson of Abraham. Eber, an ancestor of Jacob (6 generations removed), is a distant ancestor of many people, including the Israelites, Ishmaelites (including Adnanites), Edomites, Ammonites, Midianites, Qahtanite, Nahorites(including Aramites) and Moabites. Among historical scholars, there is some disagreement about the relationship between the Hebrews and Israelites.

    The terms “Hebrews” and “Israelites” usually describe the same people, called Hebrews before the conquest of the Land of Canaan and Israelites afterwards.[3][4] Occasionally, “Hebrews” is used to designate the Jews, who use the Hebrew language.[5] The Epistle to the Hebrews was probably written for Jewish Christians.[6]
    In some modern languages, including Greek, Italian, Romanian, and many Slavic languages, the name Hebrews survives as the standard ethnonym for Jews, but in many other languages in which there exist both terms, it is considered derogatory to call modern Jews “Hebrews.”

    The term “Jew” describes all followers of the Jewish faith. The word comes from the Latin Iudaeus meaning “from the Iudaea Province”. The Latin was derived from Hebrew: יְהוּדִי‎, Yehudi which sometimes refer to the members of the Biblical tribe of Judah but, most often, refers to the people of the kingdom of Judah.

    [edit]Political implications
    Beginning in the late 19th century century “Hebrew” terminology became popular among secular Zionists; in this context the word alluded to the transformation of the Jews into a strong, independent, self-confident secular national group (“the New Jew”) sought by classical Zionism. This use died out after the establishment of the state of Israel, when “Hebrew” was replaced with “Jew” or “Israeli.”[7] At the fringes of Zionist thought, the Canaanites, who were radically opposed to Judaism, drew a sharp distinction between “Jews” and “Hebrew”.

    [edit]Language

    Within the area known as the Land of Israel and prior to the establishment of the Israelite civilization, the Land of Israel was dominated by Phoenician, Philistines, and Canaanite tribes. There is a modern debate to the degree that the biblical account of a mass emigration to the Land of Israel is accurate or whether, as some archaeologists believe, that the Israelites simply arose as a subculture within Canaanite society[citation needed]. The Hebrews lived within the Land of Israel by at least the 2nd millennium BCE and in addition to speaking Hebrew also spoke Canaanite languages and dialects, which played a role in the Hebrew languages. The extent of the distinction between the culture of the Canaanites and the Hebrews is a matter of great debate, touching as it does on strong religious sensibilities. It has been argued that the Israelites were themselves Canaanites, and that “historical Israel”, as distinct from “literary” or “Biblical Israel” was a subset of Canaanite culture. It is also known that Israelites and later the subdivision of Israelites known as the Judeans spoke Hebrew as their main language and it is still used in Jewish holy scriptures, study, speech and prayer. Since the late 19th century, Hebrew has undergone a secular revival, to become the primary everyday language of Jews in Israel and became one of the official languages of the State (the other being Arabic).

    [edit]Habiru vs. Hebrews

    Some argue that the name “Hebrew” is related to the seminomadic Habiru people, who are recorded in Egyptian inscriptions of the 13th and 12th centuries BC as having settled in Egypt.[1] This is rebutted by others who propose that the Hebrews are mentioned in these Egyptian texts as Shasu.[8]

    [edit]See also

    Israelites
    Semitic peoples
    [edit]References

    Jewish Encyclopedia
    Biblical History The Jewish History Resource Center
    [edit]Bibliography
    Ancient Judaism, Max Weber, Free Press, 1967, ISBN 0-02-934130-2
    [edit]Notes
    ^ a b “Hebrew”. Encyclopædia Britannica. Ultimate Reference Suite.. Chicago: Encyclopædia Britannica. 2009.
    ^ Jewish Encyclopedia article on Eber
    ^ a b c entry in britannica.com
    ^ Hebrews entry in Jewish Encyclopedia
    ^ entry in thefreedictionary.com
    ^ Encyclopedia Britannica: Hebrews, Epistle to the
    ^ Shavit, Yaacov (1987). The New Hebrew Nation. Routledge. pp. xiv.
    ^ Rainey, Anson (2008-11). “Shasu or Habiru. Who Were the Early Israelites?”. Biblical Archeology Review (Biblical Archaeology Society) 34 (06 (Nov/Dec)).

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 13, 2010

  175. Zacharia Stichin, one of the foremost scholars in the deciphering of the Sumerian language and culture has written that the term ‘hebrew’ refers to the ‘people of the crossing’, which is a reference to the Sumerian people and their mythology that there is a regular periodic crossing of earth’s planetary orbit around the dun by a 10th planet, Nibiru, which occurs approximately every 3600 years.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 13, 2010

    • Quoting the Wikipedia article above;

      “The origin of the term remains uncertain.[1] The biblical word Ivri (Hebrew: עברי), meaning to traverse or pass over, is usually rendered as Hebrew in English, from the ancient Greek Ἑβραῖος and Latin Hebraeus. In the plural it is Ivrim, or Ibrim.

      The term is believed to be derived from the word eber, or ever, meaning beyond, or the “other side” and refers to Abraham, and the Children of Israel, who crossed over the Jordan River, into the land of Canaan.[citation needed] In Genesis 10:21 Shem, the elder brother of Japheth and first son to Noah is referred to as the ancestor of the Hebrews.[citation needed]”

      Therefore we can see that the term ‘hebrew’ retained something (but not all and not a precise record) of its original meaning in post – Sumerian usage, among ancient Egyptians, etc.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 13, 2010

  176. More on the origins of the term ‘hebrew’

    http://www.biblesearchers.com/ancients/patriarch/abram1.shtml

    “The Abram as some picture in the Hebrew scriptures was not a marauding nomad. When arriving in Egypt, he is immediately taken to the presence of the king of Egypt. From there he engages in social, scientific and political discourse and negotiates treaties with dignitaries at high levels. When cohabitating with the Canaanites, we find Abram careful to avoid local conflicts even with local rights such as water wells. Here we see a person trained in the fine arts of negotiation and diplomacy.

    Ancient linguists early compared the Hebrew word Ibri with the word Hapiru which the Egyptian, Assyrian and Babylonians in the seventeenth and eighteenth century called groups of western Semites who pillaged and invaded the borders of the civilized city states. They were the bandits of the era. Yet when we see Abraham becoming involved in the War of the Kings, he refuses to take any booty for himself, reflecting the high conduct of a person of his stature.

    The Royal Lineage of Abram

    Here was a family of royal lineage, who claimed descent from the first born from the House of Shem: Arphaxad, Selah, Eber, Peleg, Reu, Serug, Nahor, Terah, and Abram. Yet it is to Eber in which the biblical name Hebrew or Ibri is derived which gives the family of Abraham its greatest identity. Sitchen claims that the root word means “to cross” and rather than the Semitic origin we must look to Sumerian linguists for the meaning. He therefore directs us to look to the biblical suffix i when applied to a person means “a native of”. Therefore Gileadi meant a native of Gilead. In the same token, Ibri meant a native of the place called “Crossing”, which was the Sumerian name for Nippur: NI.IB.RU. To Sitchen, this was the Original Navel of the Earth, the pre-diluvium center of civilization. When transferring linguistics from Sumerian to Akkadian/Hebrew, the n was dropped off. So Abram, the Ibri, was actually Abram of Ni-ib-ri, a man of Nippurian origin. (Sitchen, Zechariah, The Wars of Gods and Men, Avon Books, The Hearst Corp. 1350 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10019 p. 294-295)

    Nippur was noted in ancient Sumerian society as a consecrated city, the navel or center of Sumerian religious society. It was the nerve center where astronomy was utilized and entrusted to the priestly caste and where the Nippurian calendar originated as soon as the orbits of the post-diluvium sun, earth, and moon were calculated. Scholars know today this calendar was synthesized about 4000 BC in the age of Taurus. The Hebrew calendar was derived from this Nippurian calendar as it based its origin on the beginning year of 3760 BC (where 1997 is the Jewish year of 5757) The Jewish sages recount that these are the years that have passed “since counting [of years] began” (Ibid p.296) “

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 13, 2010

  177. Leslie, the evidence of history speaks for itself. Kark Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin were of Khazar blood lineage. Is that a co-incidence, or what? Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the Warburgs, the Rockefellers/Rockenfelders, Kuhns, Loebs, Fuggers, de Medicis, and others, of the same ilk, were all Khazars. Is all of that a co-incidence, or what? I do not believe in co-indences, only in the conspirtatorial nature of man. Since the beginning, mankind has subscribed to conspiracies, to gain power, wealth, and the submission of others to the will of the conspiratories. That is a fact of the human condition. Khazars are no different; in fact, Khazars are notorious warriors, traders, and the like, in the pursuit of power, until such time as the military might of Genghis Khan toppled the Khazarian Empire, in the 13th century. So, yes, I do believe in the authenticity of “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” which were not meant to ever see the light of day, but, like most conspiracies, someone was careless, and it did get out. Yes, the Illuminatis, and the Jesuits, are also involved, but as subservients to the “Elders of Zion.” Adam Weishaupt, a “Jesuit,” created the Illuminatis, and Free Masonry, as a “Khazar” ploy to control the goyim, who are always in pursuit of gold and power, subservient to the power of Zion.
    Leslie, you are bright, and with some work, you could be a real force, for justice, truth, and enlightenment. Do more research, but do not make the mistake of trying to make the facts fit your theory.

    Comment by Ron | May 14, 2010

  178. Ridiculous;

    “Leslie, the evidence of history speaks for itself. Kark Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin were of Khazar blood lineage”

    OK time to put up or shut up, where is your proof of this non-sense? How about facing reality and maintaining a higher intellectual standard than wishful thinking? Where is your proof of this specific allegation.

    Simply wrong;

    “I do believe in the authenticity of “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” which were not meant to ever see the light of day, but, like most conspiracies, someone was careless, and it did get out. ”

    – The POZ are entirely bogus, and were part of a plot by Russian covert police to setup people for elimination. They are laughably crude and would be unworkable in practice.

    Ron, time to face the larger picture. The world is complicated, there are many factors, including people and organizations who do not have humankind’s best interests in mind, only their own selfish interests. But where reality conflicts with your beliefs, these people are not all Jewish, Khazarian, Jesuits, Illuminati, Mossaud, CIA, Christian Zionists, Rockefeller CFR lackies, or aliens from Zeta Reticula.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 14, 2010

  179. It is intellectually lazy to just pick an imaginary enemy to hate and blame for everything, reality is not so simple.

    Here is a good book, available on line for you to read, by someone, a Muslim person living in the UK who has done his homework. This will give you an idea of how complex embedded power groups are in human society and how long they have been at the game.

    http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/

    Terrorism and the Illuminati: A Three Thousand Year History

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 14, 2010

  180. Leslie, just google all of the above-referenced Khazars, and you will find that they were all of “Jewish/Khazar” origins. You do not want to know the truth. I know that this is difficult for you, given all the lies and myths that you have been taught. It was equally difficult to Benjamin Freedman, and others. When you have been so absolutely inculcated with lies and myths, the truth is shocking to your system. The perfectly human response is denial, total denial. I empathize with your dilemma. May Yahweh have pity on you, and all like you.

    Comment by Ron | May 14, 2010

  181. Wrong and more proof of your lazy sloppy thinking and biases;

    “Leslie, just google all of the above-referenced Khazars, and you will find that they were all of “Jewish/Khazar” origins.”

    What you will find is that these people are accused of such by other lightweight accusers like yourself who also have no proof. And scientifically it is entirely implausible since most Jews are not Khazarian in their background.

    You are attempting to use guilt by association, and guilt by accusation.

    Like I said find us one university professor in one first world accredited university who supports your bogus theories.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 14, 2010

  182. Leslie, your “first world” universities do not have a monopoly on knowledge. When the “first world” was a “wasteland,” there were universities in Kemet, Kush, China, and other portals of knowledge. The Civilization of India had universities when the Gauls, Celtics, Anglo-Saxons were still wearing loincloths. Give me a break!

    Comment by Ron | May 14, 2010

    • No breaks for you, you are a loud empty drum, and you need to learn a few thing about the real world.

      It is intellectually lazy to just pick an imaginary enemy to hate and blame for everything, reality is not so simple.

      Here is a good book, available on line for you to read, by someone, a Muslim person living in the UK who has done his homework. This will give you an idea of how complex embedded power groups are in human society and how long they have been at the game.

      http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/

      Terrorism and the Illuminati: A Three Thousand Year History

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 14, 2010

  183. Besides, Leslie, your “first world” universities are under the sway of the “Khazar Empire,” as the Khazars have all the money, seventy percent of the wealth of the United States is owned by the Khazars? Do you really expect any objectivity or credibility, with respect to Khazar DNA, with that kind of lobby at play? You must be kidding, right?

    Comment by Ron | May 14, 2010

    • Right Ron, you just made yourself the laughingstock of any reasonable person when you say;

      ” Leslie, your “first world” universities are under the sway of the “Khazar Empire,” as the Khazars have all the money, seventy percent of the wealth of the United States is owned by the Khazars? Do you really expect any objectivity or credibility, with respect to Khazar DNA, with that kind of lobby at play? You must be kidding, right?”

      Right Ron, every university in every first world nation, and every medical, genetics, biology, and anthropology department in every case is controlled by your mythical (proven to not exist) ‘Khazarian Jews’, who are the fount of all evil in the world.

      And you can’t find one of them who has the certified knowledge to back up your bogus views, because they are all controlled by Khazarian Jews.

      As I said, like all haters, your paranoia has put blinders on your reason and common sense, and you have made yourself a simple minded bigot who entirely deserves to be ignored.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 14, 2010

      • Leslie, read Dr. John O. Beaty’s writings about how the Khazars had hijacked the curriculum at SMU in 1951. We all know that all the the college textbook publishers are Khazar owned, grade school, as well. How can a child in the western world get an objective educational process, with this domination by one group, determined to mislead the world about its pedigree. Surely, your intellect will allow you to entertain the notion of the global deception, first world, third world, the whole nine yards. Stealth is the Khazar way, their words, not mine.

        Comment by Ron | May 15, 2010

  184. To the reasonable minds perusing this blog, please google “The Jewish Utopia,” and learn what you need to know. It was published in 1932, and this copy was found in the University of Texas Library, but may only be read, in house, with special permission. Gee, I wonder why!

    Comment by Ron | May 15, 2010

    • Ron, your crazy;

      “We all know that all the the college textbook publishers are Khazar owned, grade school, as well. How can a child in the western world get an objective educational process, with this domination by one group, determined to mislead the world about its pedigree.”

      You say ‘Khazar Jews’ control every university in every first world nation, and every department in every such university, and you say they control all of the publishing companies, and they control the majority of all the money in these countries.

      Ridiculous, impossible, paranoid, absurd.

      And the Khazar lineage for modern Jewish populations you assert is nonsense is scientifically disproven.

      The world does not conform to your paranoid hateful insanity.

      You are an idiot.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 15, 2010

    • What all of your posts prove to me is that you are immune to reason and like any delusional paranoid, your cling to your views no matter what real world evidence is presented to you.

      I would ask you to take any of these irrational beliefs and substitute another target hate group for them and think about how realistic the assertion would be.

      Thus for “Khazar Jews” control all the world’s money, all the school text book publishers, all the universities and all the departments in them in the entire first world nations, substitute;

      – Jesuites
      – Illuminati
      – Masons
      – Aliens from Reta Reticula

      And then if you think the statement then seems extreme you have made at least some progress.

      I have asked you to check out the on line, free book, written by a scholar of covert and overt powers within human society, spanning a 3,000 year history (who happens to be a Muslim, with no need to defend any Jewish group from anything), and you clearly have not read this book, not a sentence of it.

      Terrorism and the Illuminati: A Three Thousand Year History

      http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/

      This book is highly detailed, well researched and if you really wanted to know something about these sorts of factors within human society you would read the book.

      But obviously Ron, you are mired in your “Khazar Jew” hate/blame theory for all things – morass.

      Why think, discover, learn, understand and deal with the real world when you can simply hate and blame your chosen targets of hatred and be safe inside your fantasy world, where every answer is already known – the (imaginary) Khazar
      Jews are to blame.

      With that sort of approach to the world Ron, I have to say that while I do not hate you, I do pity you. And sorry to say, I don’t think much of your intellect or ability to deal with the real world.

      You have a mind, why not develop the habit of actually using it?

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 15, 2010

    • John O. Beaty was centured and refuted by his own entirely non-Jewish university.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 15, 2010

  185. - Ron you are not going to earn anyones confidence for your hate/blame theories citing a nut job like John O. Beaty, he was centured and refuted by his own entirely non-Jewish university.

    John O. Beaty was an anti-semite who believed and asserted numerous bizarre accusations against Jews in general his written works did not prove.

    After making many anti-semetic or anti-Jewish claims his written works were thruoghly investigated by his own university, Southern Methodist University, and the found them to be false and unsubstaniated;

    Here is an excerpt from the summary paragraph below;

    “Such claims garnered support, certainly, but also charges of anti-Semitism and shoddy research, and SMU responded by setting up a committee—comprised of members of the SMU board of trustees and several Methodist bishops—to investigate Dr. Beaty’s claims. SMU President Umphrey Lee charged the Board of Trustees with addressing the allegations Dr. Beaty made in his 1954 pamphlet. The Board established a special committee charged with investigating those claims, and that committee’s findings—depositions, exhibits, and final report—are a major portion of the collection. That committee eventually found his charges to be unsupported by any evidence, and the Board of Trustees subsequently voted to censure him.”

    See in detail the following;

    http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/smu/00034/smu-00034.html

    John O. Beaty controversy papers

    A Guide to the Collection

    Overview

    Creator: Beaty, John Owen, 1890-
    Title: John O. Beaty controversy papers
    Inclusive Dates: 1949-1964
    Abstract: Contains the papers of Dr. John Beaty, English professor at Southern Methodist University from 1919 to 1957. The papers pertain to controversy surrounding his 1954 publication of a pamphlet entitled “How to Capture a University,” which asserted that un-Christian and even communist influences were infiltrating SMU. This collection includes copies of that pamphlet, in addition to depositions and exhibits taken by a school committee, newspaper clippings, and letters both condemning and supporting his charges.
    Accession No: SMU 1992.0167
    Extent: 3 boxes (1.5 linear feet)
    Language: Material is in English.
    Repository Southern Methodist University Archives, DeGolyer Library, Southern Methodist University
    Biographical Note

    John Owen Beaty (1890-1961) taught English at Southern Methodist University, from 1919 until his retirement in 1957. During this time, he also served as head of the English Department from 1927 until 1940. Beaty, a native of Crow, West Virginia, received his B.A. and M.A. from the University of Virginia, and later completed his Ph.D. in philosophy at Columbia University in 1921. Professor Beaty also spent a semester studying in France at the University of Montpelier.

    Dr. Robert Hyer, first president of Southern Methodist University, appointed Beaty to the English Department in 1918. Beaty taught courses in sophomore English, as well as in Old English and the history of the English language. He served in active duty during World War II in the Military Intelligence service, and rose to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Army. He remained in the army reserves for a total of thirty one years.

    Dr. Beaty published fourteen books, including “Race and Population” (1928), “Swords in the Dawn” (1937), “Image of Life” (1940), “The Iron Curtain over America” (1951), and “Crossroads.” Dr. Beaty also served as a co-editor of “Facts and Ideas,” and “Famous Editions of English Poets,” as well as working with the Modern Language Association of America and the Dictionary of American Biography. His writing was not confined to his own areas of academic interest, as he also wrote various newspaper articles on foreign affairs. Dr. Beaty was a member of Phi Beta Kappa, and other honors include membership in the Modern Language Association, Texas Institute of Letters, the American Legion, and serving as president of the Conference of College Teachers of English.

    Claims made in his 1951 work “The Iron Curtain over America,” as well as a pamphlet published shortly thereafter, “How to Capture a University,” triggered much controversy within SMU during the early 1950s. Dr. Beaty was charged with being anti-Semitic and spreading claims in his work that either could not be supported with the references he cited, or that were the product of inappropriate use of sources. “The Iron Curtain over America” attracted a great deal of attention and apparently was widely read, going through eight reprintings in 1952 alone. The context of the times when these two works appeared is especially important: the fear of communist expansion worldwide in the years after World War II, the fall of China to communist forces in 1949, and domestic efforts—both on the part of the Truman administration and by Congress (including by Senator Joseph McCarthy) to expose communist infiltration—gave Beaty’s work a very receptive audience. “The Iron Curtain over America” charged that communism could be characterized as a Jewish conspiracy, and that world communism was rapidly gaining ground everywhere, with little or no response from the Democratic Truman administration. His later pamphlet argued that Southern Methodist University, while responsible for teaching Christianity and promoting Christian values, was nevertheless being infiltrated by communist and un-Christian influences.

    Such claims garnered support, certainly, but also charges of anti-Semitism and shoddy research, and SMU responded by setting up a committee—comprised of members of the SMU board of trustees and several Methodist bishops—to investigate Dr. Beaty’s claims. SMU President Umphrey Lee charged the Board of Trustees with addressing the allegations Dr. Beaty made in his 1954 pamphlet. The Board established a special committee charged with investigating those claims, and that committee’s findings—depositions, exhibits, and final report—are a major portion of the collection. That committee eventually found his charges to be unsupported by any evidence, and the Board of Trustees subsequently voted to censure him.

    Dr. Beaty continued to serve in the English department until his 1957 retirement. He later moved to Virginia, and died in September 1961.

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    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 15, 2010

    • I guess we have to add that Khazarian Jews control all Southern Methodist Universities as well.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 15, 2010

  186. Leslie, your research skills are quite impressive. The point of Dr. Beaty’s writings was, that, even in a parochial university, such as Southern Methodist University, or Baylor University, which is Baptist,by the way, the curriculum or the mission of the university, which should always be the dissemination of true knowledge, not some mission of propaganda, to mislead the students, and indeed, the world, as to the true history of the Hebrew people, as to who is, and who is not authentic. Aah, the power of the gold is immense. The entire Ivy League schools have all been compromised by the gold of the Khazars. The University of Chicago was founded and funded by Rockefeller/Rockenfelder money, so from its outset, no objectivity or credibility could ever be possible. Extreme resources does not make for credibility, despite all of the “accreditation,” which is doled out by the establishment. Even prestigious institutions, such as Georgetown University, Notre Dame, and numerous others, have fallen victim to the Khazar Gold. It is a plague on the world of academe.
    Leslie, you have a splendid mind. However, your agenda compromises your integrity. What a shame, as you have so much to offer. Many other Khazars have overcome the brainwashing, and have evolved into splendid people. Keep hope alive, Leslie, and long life and happiness to you, and all like you.

    Comment by Ron | May 18, 2010

    • Ron,

      You are in a mental rut.

      You keep repeating the same unsupportable views, which have been addressed and rejected by reasonable people of all ethnic and religious backgrounds, and they reject your views and Dr. Beaty’s views as unsupportable.

      Why would a Baptist university be compelled to censure Dr. Beaty if his views were not both unsupportable and offensive as well?

      The fact is, they, the commission at the university which investigated Dr. Beaty kept faith with the truth, that was their mission, and they kept fidelity to the truth, therefore they had to censure Dr. Beaty for his writings which otherwise would mislead people, just as you Ron have been mislead.

      You wrote; “The entire Ivy League schools have all been compromised by the gold of the Khazars.”

      How ridiculous, Ron, people in these institutions have intelligence, integrity, their sense of self and sense of right verses wrong would not allow them to be compromised in they way you suggest. These people are not ignorant beggars, they are proud, independent scholars, who have successfully charted their own course in life, and they rejected Dr. Beaty’s contentions, just as they would reject yours if they were to investigate your beliefs.

      The truth is Ron, you have been mislead, and you have made yourself immune to the truth, as I said you are in a mental rut.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 18, 2010

  187. Dr. Israel Shahak, was one such luminary, who overcame the psychosis of New Khazaria, and prior to his death, wrote a scholarly work, The Weight of 3,000 Years of Judaism, and is a shining example of what one can become, through hard work and integrity.

    Comment by Ron | May 18, 2010

    • There is no society of human being united by a religious heritage, or an ethnicity, or a geographical nation in history, which does not have something they feel they could have done differently or better.

      All human societies are imperfect and have their foibles.

      But your assertions against Jewish people generally, and your presumption about who they are and what they intend are unbalanced.

      You are obsessed with this topic, else why would you keep coming back here day after day to add a new unfounded condemnation of Jewish people, or to state the same set of disproven accusations again, day after day?

      This compulsion you have is not really about Jewish people its about you, because it is you who has the extreme discomfort with Jewish people, a discomfort so great you are willing to believe comforting lies, in the face of certain proof of the contrary.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 18, 2010

    • Remember Ron, Judaism, is an outgrowth of an earlier culture, the Sumerian culture, dating back 5,000 years, NOT 3,000 years.

      The Jewish Calender is the Sumerian Nippurian Calender, the first people who became Jews, were Sumerian, they had a culture including a Sumerian mythology which was condensed and re-written in some of the sections of the old Testament.

      They evolved a religion from a time when people consulted oracles, worshiped statures and carvings, or elements of nature, like the Sun, Moon, etc.

      Judaism evolved over time and the narratives were developed at critical times in the life of the nation, exile in Babylonia, or under the pressure of foreign invasion, and cultural – religious domination, and when life as we characterize it was nasty, brutal and all to brief.

      It is a religion that has evolved over time, and one that has the cultural influences of the ancient world, Egypt, Assyria, Babylonia, etc. So it has internal conflicts, it is a cultural artifact.

      Understand that the people who follow the religion are not different than the people who follow Christianity, imperfectly, like yourself.

      I believe you need to grow up a bit and discard this hateful attitude you have developed towards, Jews and Judaism.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 18, 2010

  188. Leslie, I think the audience of this blog can judge for themselves, who is the disturbed one here, that would be you. I am not uncomfortable with the true Hebrew, but I am very uncomfortable with The Synagogue of Satan, once again, that would be you and your fellow Khazars. I did not write the Book of Revelations. It was written long ago, more than 1400 years ago, to be precise, but it is so prophetic about you, and your kind. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are also prophetic about the Khazars. All anyone has to do is to look across the pages of history, and see the fingerprints of the Khazars, in all the infamy, and tragedy of the world, to draw a most reasonable conclusion that you are the most dangerous, murderous, genocidal conspirators in human history. Ironically, you cloak yourselves in the wonder of the Hebrew blood religion, and the faith of Yahweh, which has nothing to do with your origin, your belief system, your culture, and your agenda. It is merely your form of stealth, to seduce the entire world to capitulate to your control, your New World Order, and your tyranny. Pigs will fly before you will ever succeed in this quest. We are not all fools, Leslie, and I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield, and then I will destroy you, and all like you.

    Comment by Ron | May 19, 2010

    • Ron, you are a hate filled nut job.

      You can’t defend anything you have asserted with facts, all of your proofs lead back to some other discredited nut job like your self.

      Your words of irrational hatred and bizarre notions condemn you.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 19, 2010

  189. Leslie, all you do is post non-sensical verbiage, to support your absurd posture on the history of the Khazars, of which you are unequivolcally of that lineage. It is typical of such lunacy. Koestler, Freedman, Lilienthal, and many honest Khazars have abandoned the hoax of Khazar Jewry, and become Christians. They have the intellectual as well as the spiritual integrity to abandon the most cruel hoax in human history. All the histrionics in the world will not change your DNA, or human history. It just shows how maniacal you and your ilk are, to have your way in the world. However, you have been exposed. You cannot control the internet, like you have the electronic media, the printed media, and the book publishing business, which gives you a visegrip on the dissemination of truth and knowledge. All of that kind of control is extolled in “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” which you and your kind contend are a forgery, but the history speaks for itself. You Khazars are the most heinous group of Satanic organisms, to ever walk the surface of the earth. I would like to call you human, but that would be an insult to all other humanoid organisms. There can only be but one solution to this problem, and you already know the answer, The Final Solution. The Synagogue of Satan must be destroyed, once, and for all time.

    Comment by Ron | May 19, 2010

    • Ron,

      As you know, but refuse to acknowledge, the scientific and academic community have been investigating the actual genetic heritage of mankind, including that of Jewish populations, and among the many significant discovers made within recent decades, and specifically regarding Jewish populations, the Koestler Hypothesis, based on dated ethnographic studies, has been thoroughly refuted.

      Of course, you refuse to acknowledge this since it totally invalidates your entire bizarre theory of the universe, but none-the-less, it is true.

      Genetics disprove these false self serving ethnographic views, as thoroughly as the NAZI eugenics and similar race hatred theories have been refuted.

      So try as you and other nut jobs will try, over and over again, your views have been put into the dust bin of history, with the other self serving, ethnic/race hatred garbage as they should be.

      And yes, people who will look into these discussion will have to judge, whether your repeating the same hate filled non-sense day after day, can possibly elevate non-sense and hatred to truth.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 19, 2010

  190. I would like all readers of this dialog to be accurately informed of the sort of mental disease and motivations, of such people as Ron carry, and what sort of policies they favor.

    Make no mistake, Ron’s theory, and compulsions, are identical in character to those of Hitler.

    And you may think I exaggerate. Therefore, I ask you to consider the analysis I present below, in verbatim, from a book on Hitler, by Eric Zuesse.

    I defy anyone to differentiate in any meaningful way the sort of deranged “thoughts” and beliefs of Hitler, from those of Ron on this page.

    Here are the first few pages of Mr. Zuesse’s book; and here is a link to the book on Amazon.

    From the book, “Why the Holocaust Happened: Its Religious Cause”, by Eric Zuesse

    from the first pages;

    A Map of the Argument:
    How Hitler Came to the Conclusion That all Jews Must be Killed

    ” – quote
    The argument to follow is going to be complex, because reality is complex. This conceptual map will show, in broad outline, the interrelationships between the parts.

    Each chapter of the book will deal with a different aspect of this complex whole. Without a map, one might lose one’s way. You can think of this outline, therefore, as being like a street-map to a city. Only the main streets are shown, but that will be enough, it will even get you to all the side-streets.

    The basic theme of this section dealing with Hitler and the Holocaust consists of two parts:

    First, it is accepted that the Holocaust would not have happened if Hitler had not wanted it to happen.

    Second, the case is presented that the reason why Hitler wanted it to happen is that in 1919, when he first entered politics, Hitler came to the conclusion that the only way possible for him to deal with certain personal problems that had long plagued him, and also the only way for him to achieve his spiritual salvation as a Christian, would be for him to execute God’s will on Earth, as expressed in “The Bible-Monumental History of Mankind.” (as he phrased the matter), and to cleanse the world of the “original sin” of the “blood poisoning” of “The Aryan” or “Children of God” (or pure blooded Christians) that has occurred by “miscegenation” with “the Jew,” whom Christ had identified in John 8:44 as being the child of Satan. Hitler, as a fundamentalist Christian to whom the Bible was “history” instead of myth, had concluded that this “race-mixing” violated “Racial purity the highest law” of God, and thus constituted “a terrible fact” producing “misery forever.” And he was determined to end it.

    Throughout his life, Hitler suffered certain physical ailments that, evidently, made him feel miserable on many occasions, even though doctors could never diagnose the cause. Hitler was convinced that the problem must lie in his blood. First, he tried leeches to purify it — he did not know of what, or how. This got him nowhere.

    Then, in 1919, right after Germany’s defeat in World War I. he came to the solution that he pursued for the rest of his life. In private notes to himself, for what he intended to be his first book, The Germanic Revolution — Volume I, he outlined his interpretation of the meaning of his health problems, even though he did not mention those health-problems specifically. He was here concerned only with what he felt to be the broader significance of those problems — the reason why God was punishing him for his own “original sin.” His notes explored the meaning of “original sin” without any personal reference at all. This was typical of him: Hitler always universalized his personal problems, which in any event he felt were nobody’s business but his own.

    In these notes, Hitler divided Mankind into two categories, in accord with biblical passages, such as I Peter 1–2 defining “God’s chosen people,” and John 8:44 and Matthew 27:25 defining the children of Satan. As defined by the Christian Bible God’s people are Christians, purified by Christ’s blood, and Satan’s people are the Jews, who for that reason had shed His blood. In Hitler’s notes, “original sin” consisted of the “blood poisoning” of “The Aryan” or “Children of God,” by “miscegenation” with “the Jew.” In this context, Hitler’s own “original sin” for which God was punishing him became clear: Hitler had always believed (as it turns out falsely) that he was, or might be, the grandson of a Jew — the unknown father of Hitler’s own illegitimate father. Hitler had to “atone” for “this curse” of his having Satan’s blood coursing through his veins: only thus could he win “Paradise.”

    In a separate writing by Hitler at around the same time, a letter explaining how society should deal with the problem of “the Jews.” Hitler gave first expression to his subsequently relentless view that they have to be “eliminated.” Again, he did not mention his personal problems: his ailments, and the now-assumed cause for them, his own “blood poisoning” by “the Jew.” However, when he wrote Mein Kampf in 1924, he filled in more details of what was by then his full-fledged theory for the Holocaust that was to come: for example, that “Paradise” (his term for a disease free world in which God’s People lived uncontaminated with the “blood poisoning” from the people of Satan) must be restored in order finally to end original sin and the miseries it causes.

    This was the real meaning behind such statements from Hitler as when he said, only two years later, on 18 December 1926, that, “The teaching of Christ [John 8:44, etc.] have laid the foundations for the battle against Jews as the enemy of Mankind: the work that Christ began, I shall finish. Hitler was actually referring here to his subsequent “final solution” to “the Jewish problem”.

    Professional historians, perhaps concerned to avoid the possibility of offending religious believers in what is still an overwhelmingly religious society, have uniformly failed to report Hitler’s biblical grounded theory for the Holocaust, even though Hitler’s most detailed statement of it was sprinkled throughout Mein Kampf, and so is hardly challenging to document.”

    end quote ” – End of the verbatim quote from the book.
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    \

    I defy anyone to define analytically any difference in character between the diseased mind and thoughts of Adolf Hitler, and those of Ron, who has written in similar total non-sense into this page.

    And barring such impossible analysis to show a difference, I ask why anyone with a decent character and mind should not ignore the like of Ron and the several others of his ilk to who cling to such non-sense as this web page thesis presents.

    These theories have been long ago found to be false, and no matter how many times this topic is raised from the dead, and no matter how many “Rons” who believe these false ideas write in to repeat this non-sense, it will remain false, disproved, non-sense.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 19, 2010

  191. Leslie, may I remind you that, until quite recently, the scientific community thought that Pluto was a planet. Now the scientific community has decided that Pluto is not a planet. Do I make myself clear, the scientific community revises history, and changes its mind, all the time. At one time, the scientific community thought that the earth was flat, and that you would fall off of the edge, if you ventured too far. At one time, the scientific community thought that the sun revolved around the earth. Now, we know that the earth revolves around the sun. So, so much for your human genome, which will evolve, and opinions will change. You are so desperate to be of Hebrew DNA, buy you can never, ever be that. Accept that reality, and get a life.

    Comment by Ron | May 20, 2010

    • Yes, Ron, at one point scientist called Pluto a planet, and now given the fact that they have learned a great deal more about the solar system and its planets and planetoids, and meteors, the ort cloud and such, they have reclassified Pluto as not a planet.

      Therefore all science is suspect, how can they be right about anything if having learned some new things they changed the classification of things, and reclassified things differently later, that they had once classified with an earlier, more limited data base of information.

      How can we trust their judgement then, is that your ‘reasoning’?

      You right Ron, that means we just can’t trust science or scientists.

      And after all they are probably all Jew-Khazars who are not trust-able in the first place.

      And I would discuss DNA science a bit more with you (again) but your too dense and too committed to your NAZI-like racial theories for any real information to sink into your thick skull.

      Ron, with reasoning like that, I assure you I am not concerned with what you think and believe.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 20, 2010

    • Ron, you are incredibly stupid, obstinate and ill informed.

      Can you tell us what real scientist, with any credibility has ever used the term “Hebrew DNA”.

      There is no such thing and it is only in your bigoted ignorant mind that such a asinine concept exists.

      You live in a total hate fantasy world, and other than total nut jobs like yourself, no one else shares your warped hateful views.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 21, 2010

  192. leslie, let me break down a thousand more notches, for your ignorant ass. “Seed of Abraham,” Abraham’s DNA? Comprendez, asshole? Probably not, but that is the best I can do. All others understand, but inferior DNA precludes your comprehension.

    Comment by Ron | May 21, 2010

    • Ron, you totally ignorant moron, no one but hate filled ignoramuses like yourself would be stupid enough to believe that anything such as “Abraham’s DNA” or “Hebrew DNA” bears any resemblance to reality.

      These are just figments of your personal dementia.

      I have explained many time now what real scientists say about the constructs of real human DNA of real human population groups but you are literally too stupid to understand what is being discussed, you prefer your hate fantasies and delusion notions like “Abraham’s DNA” or “Hebrew DNA” which do not exist, IGNORAMUS.

      Again, you total fool, show us one real scientist in an accredited university who uses such terms as have been obsolete and disproven for more than 50 years and would never have been used by anyone but a hate mongering NAZI like your self in the first place.

      You are literally too stupid and too self-misinformed to participate in a constructive discussion of anything remotely related to this topic.

      Ron, you really are nothing but subhuman trash.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 21, 2010

  193. Who Controls The Federal Reserve System?
    By Victor Thorn
    5-9-2

    Now that we know the Federal Reserve is a privately owned, for-profit corporation, a natural question would be: who OWNS this company? Peter Kershaw provides the answer in”Economic Solutions” where he lists the ten primary shareholders in the Federal Reserve banking system.

    1)The Rothshcild Family-London 2)The Rothschild Family-Berlin 3) The Lazard Brothers-Paris 4)Israel Seiff-Italy 5) Kuhn-Loeb Company-Germany 6)The Warburgs-Amsterdam 7)The Warburgs-Hamburg 8)Lehman Brothers-New York 9)Goldman Sachs-New York 10)The Rockefeller Family Family-New York

    Now I don’t know about you, but something is terribly wrong with this situation. Namely, don’t we live in AMERICA? If so, why are seven of the top ten stockholders located in FOREIGN countries? That’s 70%! to furhter convey how screwed-up this system is, Jim Marrs provided the following data in his phenomenal book, “Rule By Secrecy.” He says that the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which undeniably controls the other eleven Federal Reserve branches, is essentially controlled by two financial institutions:

    1)Chase-Manhattan(controlled by the Rockefellers)–6,389,445 shares–32.3%
    2)Citibank–4,051,851 shares–20.5%s

    Thus, these two entities control nearly 53% of the New York Federal Reserve Bank. Doesn’t that boggle your mind? Now, considering how many trillions of dollars are involved here, and how the bankers are WAY above our “selected” officials in Washington, D.C., do you think the above-listed banks and families have an inordinate amount of say-so in how our country is being run? The answer is blindingly apparent.

    Where does the money come from?

    We all know that the Federal Reserve CORPORATION prints money-then it loans it, at interest, to our government. But wait unti you see what a total scam this process is. But before we get to the meat of the issue, let’s remember one thing about the very essence of banking-primarily that money should have some type of standard upon which its value is based. In the case of America, we operate on what is call a “gold standard” (i.e. our mone is backed by gold).

    So, with that in mind, let’s look at how money is acutally created, and at what cost. If the Federal Reserve wants to print 1,000 one-hundred ($100) bills, their total cost for ink, paper, plates, labor, etc. would be approximately $23.00 (according to Davvy Kidd in “Why A Bankrupt America”). Now, if you do the math, the total cost of 10,000 bill would be $230.00 ($0.023 x 10,0000). But, and here’s the catch–10,000 $100 bills equal $1,000,000! So, the Federal Reserve can “create a million dollars, then LEND it to the U. S. Government (with interest) for a total cost of $230.00! That’s not a bad deal, huh?

    Incidentally, that interest rate is 8%. With one trillion dollars of paper currency in circulation, that is 80 billion dollars in interest per annum, just to use their money. Every 12.5 years, yields one trillion dollars in interest, even if the government has a balanced budget, or even a surplus, you are still drowning in debt to this private banking cartel.

    The banking industry call this process “seignorage.” I call it outright THEFT. Why? Well, regardless of the immense profit margin ($1,000,000 for $230), plus the huge interest payments, our government then needs to STEAL the American people’s money to payoff thier debts via a mob-like agency called the IRS. So the bankers steal from the government, then the government turns around and steals from the people. I’m no genius, but who do yuou think is getting screwed in theis process? US-the people at the bottom rung of the ladder.

    Whats worse is that-now catch your breath-there’s NO MORE gold left in Fort Knox! It’s all gone. In other words, the GOLD STANDARD that our financial system was based upon is now an illusion. We can’t convert our money inot gold–only other currency. The entire underlying basis of our money in now a lie–a sham. The Federal Reserve has becom so arrogant that they’ve becoma literal MONEY MAKING MACHING, creating currency out of thin air! So that where the Fed gets their money–they literally make it, then lend it to us so they can make even MORE money off of it.

    Money As A Religion

    The above-detasiled process has become so ridiculous that William Grieder, former assistant managing editor of the Washington Post, worte a book in 1987 entitled, “Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country” that details how the Controller have conditioned us to accept this absurd situation.

    “Give me control of a nation’s money, and I care less who writes her law”– Mayer Amschel Rothschild–1773

    “To modern minds,” he writes, “it seemed bizarre to think of the Federal Reserve as a religious institution. Yet the conspiracy theorists, in their own demented way, were on to something real and significant. the Fed did also function in the realm of religion. Its mysterious powers of money creation, inherited from priestly forebears, shielded a complex bundle of social and pslychological meanings. With its own form of secret incantation, the Federal Reserve presided over awesome social ritual, transactions so powerful and frightening they seemed to lie beyond common understanding.”

    Mr. Grieder continues, “Above all, money was a function of faith. It required implicit and universal social consent that was indeed mysterious. To create money and use it, each one must blieve, and every one must believe. Only then id worthless pieces of paper take on value.”

    Do you get it? MONEY is an ILLUSION! Why? Because the gold standard upon which our money is supposed to be based has been eliminated. There’s no more gold in Fort Knox. It all GONE! Now, money really IS only paper!!! In the past, money was supposed to represent something of tangible value. Now its’s simply paper!

    Taken one step furhter, many of us don’t even use paper money any more! Why? Well, here’s scenario. Many place of emloyment directly deposit thier employees’ paycheck into the bank. Once the money is there, when bill time comes around, the person in question can write a stack of checks to pay them. Plus, when they need gasoline they can use a credit card; and groceries a debit card. If this person goes out for dinner on Friday night, they can charge the tab on their Diner’s Card. But what about the tip? They simply scribble in the amount at the bottom of the check. So far, the prson hasn’t spend a single dollar bill. Plus, if you bring electronic banking into the picture, we’ve virtually eliminated the use for money. And, God forbid, what happens when encoded microchips are implanted into the back of our hand?

    In essence, money has bemoce nothing more than an illusion–an electronic figure or amount on a computer screen. That’s it! As time goes on, we have an incresing tendency toward being sucked into this Wizard of Oz vortex of unreality. Think about it. Americans as a whole are carrhying mor personal debt than in any other time in history. Plus our government keeps goign further and further into the hole, with no hop of ever crawling out, no matter who is president, or which party controls Congress. But we have less and less actual MONEY! We’re being enslaved by the debt of electronic blips on a computer screen! And 70% of the banks that control this debt via the Federal Reserve exist in foreign countries! What in God’s name is going on? As author William Bramley says, “The result of this whole system is MASSIVE debt at every level of society.”

    We’re getting screwed in a sickening way, folks, and the people doing it are demented magician-priests that use the ILLUSION of money as their control device. And I hat to say it, but if we allow things to keep going as they are, the situation will only get worse. Our only hope . . .ONLY HOPE. . . is to immediately take drastic action and remedy this crime

    Mr. Thorn’s assessment of the situation is both timely and prophetic. This crisis is the gift of The Synagogue of Satan, the Khazars. This is all they bring to the table, war, famine, bankruptcy, and tyranny. What’s your pleasure, fellow citizens of the world?

    Comment by Ron | May 21, 2010

    • More of your pathetic demented delusional hate vision that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality.

      That is some mental hell hole you have created for yourself.

      But like a pig bathing in its own shit, you enjoy rolling around in it.

      Why don’t you just stick to the NAZI hate boards where people are stupid enough and sick enough mentally to enjoy the shit bath you have created?

      Otherwise your self made CRAP comments do not deserve further comment.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 21, 2010

  194. The Rothschilds vs US Presidents

    (1)William Henry Harrison–posioned on April 4, 1841, accoding to Mardi Gras secrets he was killed and and conspired against by the Confederate Army. Albert Pike and Caleb Cushing co-conspired in the arsenic poisoning of William Henry Harrison on that fateful day.

    (2)Nine years later, after the murdering of William Henry Harrison, who served the shortes term in office, only 31 days, Zachary Taylor was posioned the same way, died on July 9, 1850, by arsenic poisoning, by the Confederates, Albert Pike and Caleb Cushing.

    (3)James Buchanan was posioned as well by arsenic, but he survived, according to valid sources, all three Presidents were obstructing Illuminati-House of Rothschild plans for the US Civil War.

    (4)The House of Rothschild recognized that a sovereign government printing debt-free paper money would break their power. Lincoln retaliated and demanded that the U. S. Treasury Department print interest free money, known as”Greenbacks>”

    (5)Lincoln’s assassin, John Wilkes Booth, was a member of Pike’s Knights of The Golden Circle. He ws in New Orleans during the winter of 1f863-64, and conspired with Pike, Benjamin Slidell, and Admiral Baird, to assasinate Lincoln.

    (6)Abraham Lincoln died a martyr, after being shot in the back of the head, execution style, by John Wilkes Booth, on April 14, 1865, died the following day, from the critical gunshot wound.

    (7) For assassinating Abraham Lincoln, Pike, Benjamin Slidell, an August Belmont(Rothschild’s Northern agent) were made Secret Kings of the Mystic Krewe of Camus. Andrew Johnson, Vice President, became President and pardoned Albert Pike.

    (8)Albert Pike rewarded Andrew Johnson the thirty-third degree rite of passage. This was his reward for receiving the pardon.

    (9)President James A. Garfield, understood the financial system, and he stated: Whoever controls the volume of money in any county is absolute maste of all industry and commerce.”

    (10)After only four months in office, President Garfield was shot a a railroad station on July 2, 1881, by Charles Guiteau, of France. Garfied was recovering fully at the hospital, but then dies mysteriously on August 11, 1881, only a month later.

    (11)Leon Czolgosz joined The Knights of the Golden Eagle, and as seduced to assasinate President William McKinley, by the infmaous woman anarchist Emma Goldman, and succeeded. McKinley died six days later, on September 14, 1901.

    (12)Theodore Roosevelt became President after William McKinley was shot and killed. Roosevelt received passage into the 33rd degree and became a Secret King of the Mystic Krewe of Camus.

    (13)And this leads to our conclusion . . . That the assassination of JFK by the International Banking Cartel. JFK’s Plan was to end the Vietnam War. We lost more than 58,000 lives in Vietnam. The Private Bankers were profiting from the War. JFK signed in law Executive Order 11110, to abolish the Federal Reserve System, and printed interest free silver certificates five months later. And, of cours, on November 22, 1963, JFK was assassinated. Problem solved, President Lyndon Baines Johnson, on the same November 22, 1963, issued Executive Order 11111, rescinding Executive Order 11110. Of course, in addition to JFK’s monetary policy, he also opposed Israel acquiring nuclear weapons. In less than two years after the JFK assassination, 600 pound of enriched plutonium disappeared while en route to a nuclear power plant in Pennsylvania, which somehow ended up on New Khazaria/Israel. Go figure. Qui bono? Is is really a mystery who orchestrated the assassination of the young American president? Is it any mystery, why Jack Ruby(Rubinstein) felt compelled to “spare Jackie Kennedy the agony of a public trial for Oswald, the fall guy?”

    Comment by Ron | May 21, 2010

    • More NAZI inspired conspiracy theories, central theme as always, the evil Jews did it.

      Jews killed Kennedy, Jews started the US Civil War, Jews funded Lincoln assassination, Jews started WWI, Jews started WWII, there was no WWII holocaust: but if there was the Jews did it to themselves, Jews did 9/11, etc.

      All total NAZI inspired bull shit.

      Further, has nothing to do with the topic of this page, which is also total BS.

      But such bull shit draws NAZI conspiracy mongering flies.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 21, 2010

  195. The Synagogue of Satan is the scourge of the earth. The Synagogue of Satan is the Khazars, Leslie, and all like him?What’s your pleasure, citizens of the world, maintain the status quo, or fight to be free? The world is waiting!! Your children and grandchildren are waiting!!

    Comment by Ron | May 21, 2010

    • The “Synagogue of Satan” exists only in your demented mind, ignoramus, just like your “Abraham/Hebrew DNA”.

      But I know this is all you are capable of. This crap has crowed out anything actually having to do with reality in the warped mental landscape of yours.

      What a sick, stupid moron you are.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 21, 2010

    • Yes, hate monger unite!!! You have nothing to lose but your sanity, like Ron has, if he ever had it to begin with.

      Rise up and kill the evil Jew.

      –Message brought to you by your local hate mongering delusional NAZI shit spewer.–

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 21, 2010

  196. I consider Ron to be the perfect example of a weak minded bigot who has bought into every piece of anti Jewish hate mongering nonsense that has made its way onto the internet.

    I urge everyone to go back over this page and re-read several times if necessary everything that Ron has posted and ask your self;

    1) Are these the views of a man with an contemporary, modern education?

    2) Is this individual even mentally capable of absorbing and understanding simple scientific concepts even a high schooler could comprehend?

    3) Does this fellow even operate with a sane world view, or is he some sort of compulsive religious nut job driven by idiosyncratic pseudo-religious mumbo-jumbo he has fixated on and compulsively repeats over and over again?

    4) Is this fellow capable of discerning between total trash and fiction that gets posted on the internet, verses real science, sociology, history?

    I think his posts prove exactly the answer to these questions, without a doubt.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 21, 2010

  197. And BTW, back to the topic.

    The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

    And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

    I gave the same challenge to Ron, but as you can see from the above, he could not provide such a cite and offered only more of his warped paranoiac excuses and delusions in response to the challenge.

    Such hate filled non-sense is fine if you are an obsessive compulsive pseudo-religious weak minded hate monger like Ron, but anyone with an education who is not similarly a bigot will hold to a higher standard of proof than the well known set of often repeated anti-Jewish internet conspiracy theories.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 21, 2010

  198. Well, Leslie, the only “scientists” you can cite are Khazar propagandists, whose sole purpose for living is to perpetuate the myth of Khazar authenticity as the “Seed of Abraham,” which is an impossibilty. Yes, asshole, Abraham did indeed have a DNA of his very own. No other human being has had the identical DNA of this man. All of his descendants share commonality with his DNA, but you, Khazar piece of shit, do not, and never will. The last postings I made merely reflect the evil nature of your Khazar bastards, making a strong case for your ultimate destruction, which is prophesied, and will come to pass.

    Comment by Ron | May 22, 2010

    • Wrong, check out the cites I gave you, many scientists involved in those studies were not Jewish and like all PARANOID HATERS, YOU always have an excuse for the reason other people do not agree with your non-sense.

      In your case the excuse is that all modern Geneticists are from your hate target group, as are all academic departments in all first world universities, in all the sciences that matter in this instance, history, sociology, biology, genetics, etc.

      And you are so ignorant about science, it obviously will do not good to remind you again that the concepts you cling to “Abraham’s DA or Hebrew DNA” are not in fact a scientific concept, it is just more of your bogus religious beliefs, that have nothing to do with reality.

      Anyone like yourself who believes the “Book of Revelation” is factual or meaningful or determinative in reality, is so far removed from sensibility and a realistic view of human society as you have shown, it is a waste of time to attempt a discussion with them.

      You live in a hate dream world with villains of your own construction, and facts, science, reason are beyond your comprehension because they do not fit in with your ridiculous hateful biases.

      What your communications have shown is that you are immune from fact, reality, common sense, human decency, reality.

      You are a sick hater, and most people fortunately have a better grip on reality.

      And no matter how many times you repeat your obsessive pseudo religious constructions, they will never describe the real world.

      Clearly, you live in a hate filled world you deserve to inhabit.

      You have created a hell, and now you occupy your creation.

      Beyond NAZIs and other like hate-mongers, I think you will find out just how much most people want you to keep your hate filled negativity and delusions to your self.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 23, 2010

  199. To the intelligent minds reading this blog, Leslie cannot conceive that an individual such as”Abraham,” could have a unique DNA, that no other human being could have, nor can Leslie believe that Abraham’s descendants would always have markers in their DNA, common only to the descendants of Abraham, and that those markers would have a great deal of commonality with the original source, Abraham.

    Nor can Leslie believe that Yahweh would make a covenant with Abraham, “Of thy seed, I shall make a great nation . . .” Leslie cannot believe in the Book of Revelations, written ny John of Patmos, in 95 A.D. I realize that Leslie Schwartz is not a Christian, and would appear, from the record that he is not much of a follower of the tenets of Abraham and Moses, either. It would appear that what he really believes in, is The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, in which it literally says that “Lucifer” is our God, the “Light Bearer.” Please read The Protocols for yourselves, and you decide. Leslie ridicules me for believing in the writings of John of Patmos. The New Testament was written in Greek, never in the Hebrew tongue. There was a reason for that. With the fall of the Masada, Yahweh was finished with Ysrael, i.e., is the correct spelling of ancient Ysrael. The True Hebrews were banished from Jerusalem, for the curse of disobedience, described in Deutoronomy 28: 1-64. Yahweh promised that they would be put in iron collars, and removed in ships a vast distance from any land that they knew, and that they would hear tongues never heard by any of them before. Does that sound like the experience of any Khazars? I think not. Leslie says that I am filled with hate, but, once again, he is mistaken. I am committed to the defeat of “The Synagogue of Satan,” which if they would relinquish their chokehold on the governments of men, and on the global economy, I would glady embrace them. However, the likelihood of that is neglible, as pigs will fly, and hell will freexe over, before any of us will live to see that. Having said all of that, all the righteous souls in the world will have to make a deliberate choice, expediency, or Armageddon, to free this world, and your children, your progeny from this tyranny imposed by “The Synagogue of Satan,” aka The Khazars.

    Comment by Ron | May 24, 2010

    • Ron does not comprehend that Abram, an individual who lived approximately 3800 years ago could not possibly have descendent’s identical in their DNA haplotype complements alive in this day in age, nearly 4 millennium later.

      Ron further does not understand that the ancient predecessors to the Hebrew people and the Hebrew people themselves did not have a single set of genetic ancestors, or a single ancestor, period.

      Neither does Ron realize the Jewish people, the ancient tribes while said to all be the offspring of Jacob, did not in fact remain a single in-breeding population, nor did they remain without influxes of new populations, and individuals, all of which contributed the DNA heritage of their collective decedents, Jews, Hebrews in the succeeding millennium.

      Ron can not grasp the normal genetic range of change in a population over a period of nearly 4,000 years and at the same maintain a coherent notion of the meaning of the birthright of all Jewish people.

      Ron has never grasped the fact that the Jewish people are the linear descendent’s of a culture which existed well before 5700 years ago, and that the mission given to Abram, was as much a part of that earlier society, that of the Sumerian’s, as the mission was a part of the life of Jewish people 3000 years ago when most Christians (falsely) seem to believe the Jewish culture originated and that the mission is still alive in the lives of Jews today.

      Ron does not realize these things because if he did, he would have understood the simple fact, (which I mentioned 9000 times), that more than 3800 years ago the individuals in the populations which became the ancestors to the Hebrew people were not primarily Semitic.

      Ron does not get it, that you do not now and did not then have to be ethnically Semitic to be Jewish, and that people who have a different genetic heritage than some Jewish populations which do have a Semitic ethnicity, are non-the-less just as Jewish as those who do.

      Ron does not comprehend the range, accuracy and depth of the modern science of genetics which have been applied in studies of Jewish populations around the world, and which have disproven the hypothesis put forward by Koestler that most modern Jews are all descendent’s of Khazarian converts to Judaism in the middle ages.

      Ron would rather believe that his target hate group, who are responsible in Ron’s warped world view for all evil in the world; “Khazar Jews”, who is in his warped view, all lying and therefore must control all media, all governments, all universities, all scientific studies, which if Ron had to admit evidence from those sources, Ron notions would be (and as they are here all) exposed to the ridicule and rejection that those freakishly unrealistic, and absurd notions or Ron’s deserve.

      Ron would rather believe in proven frauds like the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ than face reality, where his notions and the like have been disproven thousands of times, thousands of ways.

      And it really bothers Ron that people he does not like, alive today, may be in fact the actual physical, genetic, and cultural descendent’s of Abraham, even though their DNA complements may not be identical to Abram, having some, but not necessarily all of the same haplotypes as Abram had, yet still being the cultural, religious, genetic and religious inheritors of a tradition that spans nearly 6000 years, and inheritors of the promise made nearly 4000 years ago to Abram.

      Ron does not understand many of the fundamental characteristics of the people who have inherited the promise made to Abraham, and that most of all it is God (not Ron and not some later day Jewish sage or prophet, and not some later day ‘Christian’ writer) who determines who is to be considered among those who are Abram’s inheritors, and that promise itself has not a thing (NOTHING) to do with ethnicity, genetics, Christian notions of biblical genealogy, and Christian religious notions written by people one and two thousand years later who were then and who are now complete strangers to Judaism, and those Christian then and now, who like Ron, try to impose their own religious notions on a people, history and a culture which is utterly foreign to them are attempting to judge and determine something utterly foreign to them, which they have no right to do.

      Ron does not comprehend that Jesus was not a Christian, and the notions of “Christianity” composed by the inventors of the new (actually, borrowed and reworked several many times over, ‘Christian’ religion; including Peter and Paul, and Emperor Constantine are in fact heretics of the religion of Jesus and Judaism and that people who do keep fidelity with the religion of Jesus, would utterly reject the fundamental beliefs of most modern day ‘Christians’.

      Ron’s world view and education are so limited he is afraid to learn and prefers his inbred religious fantasies, and refuses to expose himself to some actual human history, such as written by a Muslim scholar about the real history of Christianity, (and other religions including Judaism) as he would find in a free on line book, by David Livingstone at;

      http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/

      Note, of course this on line book does not contain all the truth but it is a good place to start especially for people like Ron who’s exposure to real accounts of people, societies and religions is so inhibited and withdrawn from fact and reality.
      ___

      And BTW, back to the topic.

      The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

      And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 24, 2010

  200. Poor Leslie, I thought he was educated, but I was sadly mistaken. He can never understand that there would be enough commonality to trace anyone back to an original seed, based on the DNA, no matter that the original source was several millenia ago. Not even Leslie’s own son would have the identical DNA to his own, if he has a son, which for the sake of civilization, I hope he does not. “Three generations of imbeciles is enough,” to quote former Associate Supreme Court Justice Olliver Wendell Holmes. Leslie thinks that only scientist can authenticate Koestler, or refute him. He fails to realize that scientists are often than not wrong, due to fallacious reasoning on all things, such as that Pluto was a planet, which it is clearly not, or that the world was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth. I bet Leslie even thinks that humans evolved from apes. He definitely evolved from apes, correction, he did not evolve from apes. Leslie is an ape, with the typical ape’ s irrational mind.

    Comment by Ron | May 25, 2010

    • Ron, you are such an uneducated ass.

      You do not know the first thing about genetics.

      Like it or not real geneticists have tested the Koestler hypothesis, which was based on a limited ethnographic study and by genetically testing thousands of people in many groups on several continents, they found that the Koestler hypothesis was wrong.

      Modern day Jewish populations have groups of genetic markers, haplotypes in common with ancient Hebrew populations, both Sephardic and Ashkenazi populations have these markers in common with ancient populations, and only 12% at most have haplotypes in common with Khazarian people, yet most of these people also have the ancient haplotype markings which show their genetic relationship to ancient Hebrew populations as well.

      That should be simple enough to understand, but given that Ron is such an uneducated person and believes in all sorts of non-sense in general such as his ridiculous notions of elements of Christianity, this seems too much for his comprehension.

      How many people, adults do you meet that believe in the most ridiculous and extreme pretensions of their own religion, particularly Christianity, which has some particularly absurd aspects, yet, this is all Ron is capable of understanding.

      Mix together an uneducated simpleton, with a very heavy dose of internet fallacies, and the worst aspects of the hobbled together religion of Christianity, and you have the warped mind and viewpoints Ron exhibits.

      Ron simply is not capable of understanding a modern science such as genetics which would require him to set aside many of his absurd mis-educated, prejudicial notions, and thus the moronic, pathetic, even unintentionally humorous writings that arise, such as the above.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 25, 2010

  201. Leslie, you are no geneticist, so why don’t you get one to post some of that “expertise” here. Your only gift is that you are a “certified asshole.” You are a Khazar bastard, and the bastardy of the army of Genghis Khan, who conquered your ancient homeland of Khazaria, in the 13th century, and you Khazars have been in search of an identity every since. Alas, you found the “God of Abraham,” which you have distorted into “The Synagogue of Satan,” the words of John of Patmos, not mine, written in 95 A.D. Whether or not you subscribe to Revelations, is irrelevant to me, and to the Christian world. You are irrelevant to me. So, asshole Leslie, I will see you in hell!

    Comment by Ron | May 26, 2010

    • If morons are destined for hell, then clearly that is where you are headed, but you will have to enjoy it without my company.

      I HAVE posted a number of excerpts of articles by geneticists.

      Take the time to read them so you will actually know something.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 26, 2010

  202. Harold Wallace Rosenthal, Leslie Schwartz’s Khazar brethren admits that the Khazars’ sole goal for existence is global conquest, and that they have controlled every president since FDR. I will go you one further than that. The presidents that refused to be controlled, were killed, four by gunshot, three by poisoning. There is no more sinister force on earth, than The Synagogue of Satan, the Khazars.

    Comment by Ron | May 26, 2010

    • Only an bigoted ignoramus like yourself believes in these asinine concepts like “Synagogue of Satan”, “Protocols of Zion” and that all Jews are Khazars.

      Moron.

      To bad you don’t deserve a more respectful response.

      If you want to know anything on this topic, take a mental enema and then take the time to read my previous posts, only then will you have the chance to overcome your warped views and profound ignorance.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 26, 2010

  203. Leslie, my dear asshole, there is no reason to disbelieve The Synagogue of Satan. After all, is incorporated in The Holy Bible, the greatest selling publication of all time. Also, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, do fit the pages of history, perfectly. I do not believe in coincidence. Of course, all Jews are Khazars; however, no Hebrews are Khazars. For you see, there is no such thing as a “Jew.” The letter “J” does not exist in the Hebrew alphabet, the Greek alphabet,the Roman Latin alphabet, the Aramaic alphabet, and not even the English alphabet, until recent times.

    As Benjamin Freeman points out in his lectures, which may be heard at http://www.iamthewitness, the word “Jew” is a creation of the Khazar interlopers. Due to vast ignorance of the Goyim, they have fallen, line, hook, and sinker, for this Khazar nonsense, that they are “The Chosen,” how laughable that Yahweh would “choose” some mongrelized Turkic/Mongolian mutts for something noble. Mr. Freedman abandoned this fantasy, became a Roman Catholic, and denounced this greatest hoax in human history.

    As, for your posts, Leslie, I would not even waste the time it would take, to even peruse all of that Khazar propaganda bullshit. You are so pathetic. Nobody, with any intellect and integrity would even delude himself with such nonsense. You are even more deluded than the Father of Zionism, Theodore Herzl. Zionism is doomed.

    Comment by Ron | May 27, 2010

    • Once again, your posts reveals you to be a bigoted ignoramus.

      You are immune to information and rationality, you are incapable of learning anything if it does not suit your ignorant, bigoted, mistaken views.

      I will not waste my time rebutting the specifics of your dementia.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 28, 2010

  204. DNA TESTING FOR ETHNICITY

    Ethnicity and race can be contentious and problematic. On the other hand, DNA testing can:
    -reveal whether a person’s ancestors belong to a certain ethnic group.
    –reveal genetic markers for health conditions associated with certain ethnic groups.

    There are some pitfalls with regard to genetic testing if you “belong” to one ethnicity or other. If the tests are run on the DNA of the Y Chromosone (passed through the paternal line) or the mitochondria (maternal line) the results will probably be more exact. The downside to these tests is that they will only tell you about one lineage, either the paternal (father’s father’s father, etc.) or the maternal (mother’s mother’s mother, etc.). This represents only a small portion of your many, many ancestors.

    Admixture testing,on the other hand, looks at genetic markers from your entire genome. Unfortunately, this type of testing is only in its infancy, and the results should be taken with a grain of salt. Because of this, unscrupulous companies and unscrupulous “experts” may promise more than they can deliver, in terms of what ethnic group you may belong to.

    So, the long and the short of it is, nobody can say, for sure, who is the “Seed of Abraham, neither Ashkenazim, nor Sephardim, may, indeed, be of the lineage of Abraham. I give great credence to the research and conclusions of Alfred Koestler, Benjamin Freedman Alfred Lilienthal, and others. It is time to put an end to the greatest hoax in human history.

    Comment by Ron | May 27, 2010

    • You are so ignorant Ron.

      You just do not get it.

      Your concepts of race and ethnicity are no different than the NAZI concept.

      There is no such thing as ethnicity or race in the terms you mistakenly believe it to exist.

      And you would know that if you had read the posts I entered here, by real scientists, geneticists.

      As to your ideas of a ‘religious’ nature they are equally ignorant and equally have no intersection with reality.

      Like I said above I am not going to waste my time responding to your demented bigoted, ignorant views.

      I can assure you of one thing though, no one else but another bigoted ignoramus, NAZI will agree with your demented views.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 28, 2010

  205. Leslie, you are psychotic. You are such a Khazar partisan, you cannot be reasoned with. Of course, race and ethnicity are real science. The latest post was written by scientists. DNA technology is in its infancy, and quite imprecise. Everything about it, at this juncture, is speculative. Courts accept it, but what do judges know about DNA, or genetics? Nothing, just like your ignorant ass knows nothing. You want to be the sole proprietor of the right to be called a “jew,” that you are quite insane. The word “jew” does not even exist in Hebrew, as no “j” exists in that language, nor the Greek, nor the Roman Latin alphabet, and not even english until a few short centuries ago, when a hook was addded to the letter “i,” at the bottom, curving to the left. The word “jew” was invented by you “Khazar” bastards, so that you could masquerade as “The Chosen People.” You have chosen yourselves, as Yahweh only has you bastards destined for extermination. For the longest, I thought the Third Reich committed atrocities against humanity, but upon revisitation to the “Final Solution,” perhaps their conclusions should be reconsidered. If this psychosis, which you and your ilk persist, what other option is there? Certainly not capitulation to your tyranny!

    Comment by Ron | May 28, 2010

    • Wrong.

      Geneticists no longer use the concept of race.

      And ethnicity is also an illusion when you actually test people and see how many genetic influences real human beings have.

      Just because you can test for paternity does not mean you can test someone and prove how closely they were related to someone 3800 years ago.

      These three points prove your total, unrelenting ignorance of the entire subject of genetics.

      If I use the term Jew it is because I am using English, whether or not ancient people called themselves Jewish,. or Hebrew is irrelevant to the past, when the ancient people referred to them selves as a member of a tribe, or of a region.

      As I explained many posts above the origins of the term Hebrew are believed to be from the Sumerian / Egyptian term, meaning “people of the crossing”.

      And glad to see you are finally getting to what you believe, with that “destined for extermination” NAZI crap.

      And right, Ron, you are no hater are you?

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 28, 2010

  206. THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION

    PROTOCOL 1

    . . . Putting aside fine phrases we shall speak of the significance of eaht thought: by comparisons and deductions we shall throw light upon surrounding facts.

    What I am about to set forth, is our system from the two points of view, that of ourselves and that of the goyim(i.e., non-jews).

    It must be noted that men with bad instincts are more in number than the good, and therefore the best results in governing them are attained by violence and terrorizatiion, and not by academic discussions. Every man aims at power, everyone would like to become dictator, if only he could, and rare indeed are the men who would not be willing to sacrifice the welfare of all for the sake of securing thier own welfare.

    What has restrained the beasts or prey who are called men? What has served for their guidance hitherto?

    In the beginnings of the structure of society they were subjected to brutal and blind forces; afterwards–to Law, which is the same force, only disguised. I draw the conclusion that by the law of nature right lies in force.

    Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one’s party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier if the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, so called liberalism, and for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears: the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for a single day exist without guideance, and the new authority merely fits into place of the old already weakened by liberalism.

    In our day the power which has replaced that of the rulers who were liberal is the power of Gold. Time was when faith ruled. The idea of freedom is impossible of realization because no one knows how to use it with moderaton. It is enough to hand over a people to self-government for a certain length of time for that people to be turned into a disorganized mob. From that moment on we get internecine strife, which soon develops into battles between classes, in the midst of which States burn and their importance is reduced to that of a heap of ashes.

    Whether a State exhausts itself in its own convulsiton, whether its internal discord brings it under the power of external foes–in any case it can be accounted irretrievably lost: it is in our power. The despotism of Capital, which is entirely in our hands, reaches out to it a straw that is the State, willy-nilly, msut take hof of: if not–it goes to the bottom.

    Should anyone of a aliberal mind say that such reflections as the above are I would put the following questions:–If every State has two foes and if in regard to the external foe it is allowed and is not considered immoral to use every manner and art of conflict, as for example, to keep the enemy in ignorance of plans of attack and defence, to attack him by night or in superior numbers, then in what way can the sme means in regard to a worse foe, the destroyer of the structure of society and the commonweal be called immoral and not permissible?

    It is possible for any sound logical mind to hope with any success to guide crowds by the aid or reasonable counsels and arguements, when any objection or contradiction, senseless though it may be, can be made and when such objection may find more favour with the people, whose powers of reasoning are superficial? Men in masses and the men of the masses, being guided solely by pretty passions, paltry beliefs, customs, traditions and sentimenta theorism, fall prey to party dissension, which hinders any kind of agreement even on a basisi of a perfectly reasonable argument. Every resolution of a crowd depends upon a chance or packed majority, which, in its ignorance of political secrets, puts forth some ridiculous resolution that lays in the administration a seed of anarchy.

    The political has nothing in common with the moral. The ruler who is governed by the moral is not a skilled politician, and is therefore unstable on his throne. He who wishes to rule must have recourse both to cunning and make-believe. Great natinal qualities, like frankness and honesty, are vices in politics, for they bring down rulers from their thrones mroe effectively and more certainly than the most powerful enemy. Such qualities must be the attributes of gthe kingdoms of the goyim, but we msut in no wise be guided by them.

    Our right lies in force. The word “right” is an abstract thought and proved by nothing. The word means no more than:–Gve me what I want in order that thereby I might have a proof that I am stronger than you.

    Where does right begin? Where does it end?

    In any State in which there is a bad organization of authority, an an impersonality of laws and of the rulers who have lost their personality amid the flood of rights ever multiplying out of leberalism, I find new right–to attack by the right of the strong, and to scatter to the winds all existing forces of order and regulation, to reconstruct all all institutions and to become the sovereign lord of those who have left tous the rights of their power by laying them down voluntarily in their liberalism.

    Our power in the present tottering condition of all forms of power will be more invincible than any other, because it will remain invisible until the moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning can any longer undermine it.

    Out of the temporary evil we are now compelled to commit will emrege the good of an unshakeable rule, which will restore the regular course of the machinery of the national life, brought to naught by liberalism. The result justifies the means. Let ush, however, in our plans, direct our attention not so much to what is good and moral as to what is necessary and uselful.

    Before us is a plan in which is laid down strategically the line from which we cannot deviate without running the risk of seeing the labour of many centuries brought to naught.

    In order to elaborate satifactory forms of action it is necessary to have regard to the rascality, the slackness, the instability of the mob, its lack of capacity to understand and rspect the conditions of its own life, or its own welfare. It msut be understood that the might of a mob is blind, senseless and unreasoning force ever at the mercy of a sugguestion from any side. The blind cannot lead the blind without bringing them to an abyss; consequently, members of the mob, upstart fomr the people even though they should be as a genius for wisdeom, yet having no understanding of the political, cannot come forward as leaders of the mob without bringing the whole nation to ruin.

    Only one trained from childhood for independent rule can have understanding of the words that can be made up of the poltical alphabet.

    A people left to itself, i.e., to upstarts from its midst, brings itself to ruin by party dissensions escited by the pursuit of pwoer and honours and disordrs arising therefrom. Is it possible for the masses of the people calmly and without petty jealousies to form judgments, to deal with the affairs of the country, which cnnot be mixed up with personal interest? Can they defend themselves from an external foe? It is unthinkable, for a plan broken up into as many parts as there are heads in the mob, loses all homogeneity, and therby becomes unintelligible of execution.

    It is only wiht a despotic ruler that plans can be elaborated extensively and clearly in such a swy as to distribute the whole properly among the sevral parts of the machinery of State: from this the conclsuion is inevitable tha a saisfactory form of government for any countlyr is onee that concentrates in the hands of one responsible person. Without an absolute despotism there can be no existence of civilization whih is carried on not by the masses but by their guide, whosoever that person may be. The mob is a savage and displays its savagery at every opportunity. The moment the mob seized freedom in its h ands it quickly turns to anarchy, which in itself is the highest form of savagery.

    Behold the alcoholisxed animals, bemused with drink, the right to immodrate use of which comes along with freedom. It is not for us and our to walk that road. The peoples of the goyim ar ebemused with alcolholic liquors; their your has gronw stupid on classicism and from early immorality, into which it has been inducted by our special agents–by tutors, lackeys, governesses in the houses of the wealthy, by clerks and others, by our women in the places of dissipation frequented by the goyim. In the number of these last I count also the so-called “society ladies,’ voluntary followers of the othrs in corruption and luxury.

    (To be continued)

    Comment by Ron | May 28, 2010

    • Right, and if you are stupid enough to believe this utter crap and non-sense is anything more than fodder for stupid ignoramuses like Ron, then you, and him and the rest of you NAZIs can believe it is a real plan for world domination.

      Most people are not so ignorant.
      ____________

      I consider Ron to be the perfect example of a weak minded bigot who has bought into every piece of anti Jewish hate mongering nonsense that has made its way onto the internet.

      I urge everyone to go back over this page and re-read several times if necessary everything that Ron has posted and ask your self;

      1) Are these the views of a man with an contemporary, modern education? [No]

      2) Is this individual even mentally capable of absorbing and understanding simple scientific concepts even a high schooler could comprehend? [Definitely not]

      3) Does this fellow even operate with a sane world view, or is he some sort of compulsive religious nut job driven by idiosyncratic pseudo-religious mumbo-jumbo he has fixated on and compulsively repeats over and over, and over and over, and over and over, again? [No, he is a obsessive compulsive, fixated hater]

      4) Is this fellow capable of discerning between total trash and fiction that gets posted on the internet, verses real science, sociology, history? [No he can't tell fact from fiction]

      I think his posts prove exactly the answer to these questions, without a doubt. [Yes, they do]
      ___

      And BTW, back to the topic.

      The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

      And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 28, 2010

  207. The only scientists, “with real education,” according to Leslie Schwartz, are his fellow Khazar propagandists, who have about as much credibility as Pinnochio. What a fool! He cannot accept the fact that his whole life has been a fraudulent lie. He is so in denial. His family did him such a disservice, inculcating him with the greatest hoax in human history. In the meantime, to the reasonable minds reading this blog, “Google” “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” and really learn everything you ever wanted to know about Leslie Schwartz, and his ilk.

    Comment by Ron | May 29, 2010

    • Ron

      Proof you pay no attention to reality;

      “The only scientists, “with real education,” according to Leslie Schwartz, are his fellow Khazar propagandist”

      You did not look at the articles I referred you to, and you have done no research on this topic on your own.

      In fact this is total proof you have no interest in reality when it contradicts one of your racial – ethnic biases.

      You have no capacity to learn anything that will prove your prejudices are wrong, and there is plenty of this evidence out in the real world of facts, which you pay no attention to.

      No one but you can turn yourself from an ignorant misinformed bigot, to a person who DOES pay attention to reality.

      You ought to spend some time thinking about this Ron because if these are your intellectual habits (and they surely are), then you are going to make a lot of mistakes in life in things that will really matter to you.

      You can not live in a hate filled dream world and also be a well adjusted sane individual, and this characteristic which you exhibit proves to anyone paying attention to this dialog, exactly how maladjusted, bigoted, ignorant, and stupid you really are.

      You are absolutely wrong, and no one interested in the truth will take your mistaken prejudicial opinions for truth, except for like minded hate filled ignorant NAZI types just like you.

      Once again, I challenged you;

      The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

      And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

      And you have failed to do this, in your one attempt to respond you entered a made up quote, because you prefer to be a liar than to admit you are wrong, and you are so stupid you thought no one would actually notice and call you on your lie, but I did.

      Exactly how do you square being a hate filled ignorant liar and calling yourself a “Christian” at the same time?

      Obviously you are no Christian in the positive sense of the term.

      You are just a fool, liar, ignoramus, repetitive boor, hate filled bigot, and positively stupid and you prove this time and time again by your posts on this page.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 29, 2010

  208. (continuation of Protocol 1, followed by Protocol 2)

    Our countersign is–Force and Make-believe. Only force conques in political affairs, especially if it be concealed in the talents essential to statesmen. Violence must be the principle, and cunning and make-believe the rule for governments which do not want to lay down their crowns at the feet of agents of some new power. This evil is the one and only means to attain the end, the good. Therefore, we must not stip at bribery, deceit and treachery when they should serve towards the attainment of our end. In politics one must know how to seize the property of others without hesitation if by it we secure submission and sovereignty.

    Our State, marching along the path of peaceful conquest, has the right to replace the horrors of war by less noticeable and more satifactory sentences of death, necessary to maintain the terror which tends to produce blind submission. Just but merciless severity is the greatest factor or strength in the State: not only for the sake of gain but also in the name of duty, for the sake of victory, we must keept to the programme of violence and make-believe. The doctrine of squaring accounts in precisely as strong as tghe means of which it makes use. Therefore, it is not so much by the means themselves as by the doctrine of severity that we shall triumph and bring all governments itno subjection to our super-government. It is enough for sthem to know that we are merciless of all disobedience to cease.

    Far back in ancient tgimes we wre the first to cry among the mases of the people the words “Liberty, Equality,Fraternity,” words many times repeated since those days by stupid poll-parrots who from all sides round flew down the baits and with them carried away the well-being of the world, true freedom of the individual, formerly who well guarded against the pressure of the mob. The would-be-wise men of the goyim, the intellectuals, could not make anything out of the uttered words in thier abstractness; did not note the contradiction of their meaning and inter-relation: did not see that in nature there is no equality, cannot be freedom: Nature herself has established inequality of minds, and capacities, just as immutably as she has established subordination to her laws: never stopped to think that the mob itself, that the adept, though he be a fool, can yet rule, whereas the non-adept, even if he were a genius, understands nothing in the political–to all these things the goyim paid no regard; yet all the time it was based upon these things that dynastic rule rested; the father passed on to the son a knowledge of the course of political affirs in such wise that none should know it but members of the dynasty and none could betray it to the governed. As time went on the meaning of the dynastic transference of the true position of affairs in the political was lost, and this aided the success of the cause.

    In all corners of the earth the words “Liberty, Equalityu, Fraternity” brought to our ranks, thanks to our blind agents, whole legions who bore our banners with enthusiasm. And all the time these words were a canker-worms at work boring into the well-being of the goyim, putting an end everywhere to peace, quiet, solidarity and destroying all the foundations of the goy States. As you will see later, this helped us to our triumph; it gave us the possibility, among other things, of getting into our hands the master card–the destruction of privileges, or in other words of the very existence of the aristocracy of the goyim, that class which was the only defence people and countries had against us. On the ruins of the natural and genealogical aristocracy of the tgoyim we have set up the aristocracy of our educated class headed by the aristocracy of money. The qualifications of this aristocracy we have established in wealth, which is depended upon us, and in knowledge, for which our learned elders provide the motive force.

    Our triumph has been rendered easier by the fact that in our relations with the men whome we wanted we have always worked upon the most sensitive chords of the humand mind, upon the cash account, upon the cupidity, upon the insatiability of material needs of man; and each one of these human weaknesses, taken alone, is sufficient to paralyse initiative, for it hands over the will of men to the disposition of him who has bought their activities.

    The absraction of freedome has enabled us to persuade the mob in all countries that their government is nothing but the steward of the people who are the owners of the country, and that the steward may be replaced like a worn-out glove.

    It is this possibility of replacing the
    representatives of the people which has placed them at our disposal, and, as it were, given us the power of appointment.

    Comment by Ron | May 29, 2010

    • Ron

      Proof you pay no attention to reality;

      “The only scientists, “with real education,” according to Leslie Schwartz, are his fellow Khazar propagandist”

      You did not look at the articles I referred you to, and you have done no research on this topic on your own.

      In fact this is total proof you have no interest in reality when it contradicts one of your racial – ethnic biases.

      You have no capacity to learn anything that will prove your prejudices are wrong, and there is plenty of this evidence out in the real world of facts, which you pay no attention to.

      No one but you can turn yourself from an ignorant misinformed bigot, to a person who DOES pay attention to reality.

      You ought to spend some time thinking about this Ron because if these are your intellectual habits (and they surely are), then you are going to make a lot of mistakes in life in things that will really matter to you.

      You can not live in a hate filled dream world and also be a well adjusted sane individual, and this characteristic which you exhibit proves to anyone paying attention to this dialog, exactly how maladjusted, bigoted, ignorant, and stupid you really are.

      You are absolutely wrong, and no one interested in the truth will take your mistaken prejudicial opinions for truth, except for like minded hate filled ignorant NAZI types just like you.

      Once again, I challenged you;

      The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

      And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

      And you have failed to do this, in your one attempt to respond you entered a made up quote, because you prefer to be a liar than to admit you are wrong, and you are so stupid you thought no one would actually notice and call you on your lie, but I did.

      Exactly how do you square being a hate filled ignorant liar and calling yourself a “Christian” at the same time?

      Obviously you are no Christian in the positive sense of the term.

      You are just a fool, liar, ignoramus, repetitive boor, hate filled bigot, and positively stupid and you prove this time and time again by your posts on this page.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | May 29, 2010

  209. Leslie, I no longer acknowledge you or your psychosis. You have no integrity, objectivity, or logic. You are obssessed with your fantasy world. Koestler was right on the money. DNA research is still in its infancy. Nobody can authenticate the ethnicity of any individual or group definitively.

    I am more concerned about the savage, rogue attack on the relief ships headed to Gaza by commandos, from New Khazaria/Israel, slaughtering innocent peeople, trying to help the beleagured people of Gaza. Isn’t it enough that the IDF forces murdered Rachel Corrie on March 29, 2003? She was an American saint, trying to prevent the IDF from bulldozing the home of a Palestinian physician in Gaza, who was not a combatant. For her trouble, Rachel Corrie was steamrolled by a 40,000 pound John Deere bulldozer. He ran her over forward, then backed over her dead body again. No apology, no reparations for her family, no reaction or expression of outrage from George Dumbya Bush, who was a mere pupped of AIPAC, as is Obama.
    In 1967 the Israel Air Force attacked The U.S.S.Liberty, killing 34 U. S. Navy personnel. Once again, no apology, no reparations for their families. The world must declare war on New Khazaria/Israel, the most rogue terrorist state in human history. It must be dismantled and destroyed forever. There can be no hope for peace, as long as New Khazaria/Israel exists.

    Comment by Ron | June 1, 2010

    • Ron, your biases are obvious.

      You accept any bit of propaganda as truth as long as it is anti – Jewish, or anti – Israel.

      As you should know, probably do know, but again choose to lie about it, for example.

      USA President Johnson ordered the Israelis to shoot at the USS Liberty, he said in fact, “I want that G-dammed boat on the bottom”.

      The Israeli pilots who were sent out to shoot at the ship could not believe their orders, at first they disobeyed, and refused to shoot at the ship, and only after being threatened by their commanders with a court marshal did they shoot at the ship.

      They could have easily sunk the USS Liberty but didn’t. They tried to do the least damage possible, but could not ignore the orders.

      And why did US President Johnson want the Liberty sunk?

      So he could blame the Egyptians, or someone other than Israel and then he would have the US public support to put US troops on the ground in the middle east.

      In this Johnson failed.

      But they tried again, and succeeded using the False Flag attacks on 9/11/01 as an excuse to put Us troops on the ground permanently in the middle east.

      OK, why would they want this?

      Because oil is a strategic reserve, because controlling oil in the middle east and in the Caspian Basin is a means of countering Russian and Chinese influence in the world.

      So it comes down to power politics, and Israel in these cases is merely a bystander to the power politics of larger nations.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 1, 2010

  210. Expulsions of “Jews” froh host districts, cities and countries:

    544, Dioces of Clement(France)
    561, Dioces of Uzes(France)
    612, Visigoth(Spain)
    642, Visigoth Empire
    855, Italy
    876, Sens
    1012, Mainz
    1181, France
    1290, England
    1306, France
    1348, Switzerland
    1349, Heilbronn(Germany
    1349, Hungary
    1388, Strasbourg
    1394, Germany
    1394, France
    1422, Austria
    1424, Fribourg & Zurich
    1426, Cologne
    1432, Savory
    (to be continued, as there is just no end to it. I wonder why. Is is mere prejudice, or is there more to it?)

    Comment by Ron | June 1, 2010

    • Look in the mirror Ron.

      It is prejudice, promoted by numskulls like yourself.

      It is jealousy, envy, frustration over an inability of the majority to control a willful minority which has different religious practices than the majority.

      Why were English Pilgrims and later Quakers expelled from Europe and literally force into the the North American wilderness where they came to worship and live free of prejudice?

      Because a resentful majority could not control an equally willful minority.

      Hardly a new or unheard of circumstance, it has occurred on every continent, with nearly every religious and ethnic minority experiencing the same type of prejudice that has been directed against Jews.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 1, 2010

  211. (Continuation of the list of expulsions of Jews from host districts, cities, and countries:

    1438, Mainz
    1439, Augsburg
    1446, Bavaria
    1453, Breslau
    1454, Wurzburg
    1485, Vincenza (Italy)
    1492, Spain
    1495, Lithuania
    1497, Portugal
    1499, Germany
    1514, Strasbourg
    1519, Regensburg
    1540, Naples
    1542, Bohemia
    1550, Genoa
    1551, Bavaria (again)
    1555, Pesaro
    1559, Austria
    1561, Prague
    1567, Wurzbug, Genoese Republic
    1569, Papal States
    1571, Brandenburg

    From the record, it would appear that these “Khazars/Jews” simply cannot live in peace with others. Even in the US, there is a super loyalty to Israel, that supersedes any loyalty to the US. This long list of expulsions would suggest that there is a problem of assimilation with this population. Perhaps that is predicated upon a predeliction for control, particularly economic control, based on gold holdings, and other forms of wealth to subjugate the indigenous populations of these countries, which ultimately alienates the indigenous population beyond any level of tolerance for this subversive infiltration.

    Comment by Ron | June 2, 2010

    • No Ron, its you and bigots like you who can’t get along with other people, who mistake their prejudices for fact.

      Here is an update for you, Jewish populations around the world;

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

      Country or Region Jewish population Total Population % Jewish Notes
      Israel 5,393,000 7,117,000 75.8% [1]
      United States 5,275,000 301,469,000 1.7% [1]
      Europe 1,506,000 710,000,000 0.2% [4]
      France 490,000 64,102,000 0.8% [1]
      Canada 374,000 32,874,000 1.1% [1]
      United Kingdom 295,000 60,609,000 0.5% [1]
      Russia 225,000 142,400,000 0.2% [1]
      Argentina 184,000 39,922,000 0.5% [1]
      Germany 120,000 82,310,000 0.1% [1]
      Australia 104,000 20,788,000 0.5% [1]
      Poland 100,000 38,163,895 0.27% [79]
      Brazil 96,000 188,078,000 0.05% [1]
      Ukraine 77,000 46,481,000 0.2% [1]
      South Africa 72,000 47,432,000 0.2% [1]
      Hungary 49,000 10,053,000 0.5% [1]
      Mexico 40,000 108,700,000 0.04% [1]
      Asia (excl. Israel) 39,500 3,900,000,000 0.001% [4]
      Belgium 31,200 10,419,000 0.3% [4]
      Italy 28,600 58,884,000 0.05% [4]
      Turkey 17,800 72,600,000 0.02% [4]
      Iran 10,800 68,467,000 0.02% [4]
      Romania 10,100 21,500,000 0.05% [4]
      New Zealand 7,000 4,306,400 0.2% [4]
      Greece 5,500 11,100,000 0.05% [4]
      Cuba 1,500 11,450,000 0.013% [80]
      Total 13,156,500 6,455,078,000 0.2% [1]

      In fact, as the Wikipedia points out, the major problem for maintaining Jewish populations around the world is the tendency for them to assimilate;

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

      Demographic changes

      Assimilation

      Since at least the time of the Ancient Greeks, a proportion of Jews have assimilated into the wider non-Jewish society around them, by either choice or force, ceasing to practice Judaism and losing their Jewish identity.[98] Assimilation took place in all areas, and during all time periods,[98] with some Jewish communities, for example the Kaifeng Jews of China, disappearing entirely.[99] The advent of the Jewish Enlightenment of the 1700s (see Haskalah) and the subsequent emancipation of the Jewish populations of Europe and America in the 1800s, accelerated the situation, encouraging Jews to increasingly participate in, and become part of, secular society. The result has been a growing trend of assimilation, as Jews marry non-Jewish spouses and stop participating in the Jewish community.[100] Rates of interreligious marriage vary widely: In the United States, they are just under 50%,[101] in the United Kingdom, around 53%, in France, around 30%,[102] and in Australia and Mexico, as low as 10%.[103][104] In the United States, only about a third of children from intermarriages affiliate themselves with Jewish religious practice.[105] The result is that most countries in the Diaspora have steady or slightly declining religiously Jewish populations as Jews continue to assimilate into the countries in which they live.”

      _______

      Ron, once again you prove YOU CAN get everything wrong 100%.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 3, 2010

  212. PROTOCOL NO.2

    It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as is possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground, where the nations will not fail to perceive in the assistance we give the strength of our predominance, and this state of things will put both sides at the mercy of our international agentur; which possess millions of eyes ever on the watch and unhampered by any limitations whatsoever. Our international rights will then wipe out national rights, in the proper sense of right, and will rule the nations precisely as the civil law of States rules the relations of their subjects among themselves.

    The administrators, whome we shall choose from the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the world. As is well known to you, these specialists of ours have been drawing to fit them for rule the information they need from our political plans, from the lessons of history, from observations made of the events of every moment as it passes. The goyim are not guided by practical use of unprejudiced historical observations, but by theoretical routine without any critical regard for consequent results. We need not, therefore, take any account of them–let them amuse themselves until the hour strikes, or live on hopes of new forms of enterprising pastime, or on the memories of all they have enjoyed. For them let that play the principal part which we have persuaded them to accept as the dictates of science(theory). It is with this object in view that we are constantly, by means of our press, arousing a blind confidence in these theories. The intellectuals of the goyim will puff themselves up with their knowledge and without any logical verification of it will put into effect all the information available from science, which our agentur specialists have cunningly pieced together for the purpose of educating their minds in the direction we want.

    Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empy words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzche-ism. To us Jews, at any rate, it shoudl be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the goyim.

    It is idispensable for us to take into account of the thoughts, characters, tendencies of the nations, in order to avoid making slips in the political and in the direction of administrative affairs. The triumph of our system, of which the component parts of the machinery may be variously disposed according to the temperament of the peoples met on our way, will fail of suces if the practical application of it be not based upon a summing up of the lessons of the past in the light of the present.

    In the hands of the States of to-day there is a great force that creates the movement of thought in the people, and that it is the Press. The part played by the Press is to keep pointing out requirements, supposed to be indispensable, to give voice to the complaints of the people, to express and to create discontent. It is in the Press that the triumph of freedom of speech finds its incarnation. But the goyim States have not known how to make use of this force; and it has fallen into our hands. through the Press we have gained the power to ifluence while remaining ourselves in the shade; thanks to the Press we have had to gather it out of oceans of blood and tears. But is has paid us, though we have sacrificed many of our people. Each victim on our side is worth, in the sight of God, a thousand goyim.

    Comment by Ron | June 2, 2010

    • You would have to be as stupid and blind and bigoted as Ron is to think this is anything but crap.

      I can tear every sentence of it apart, but just starting from the top;

      “The administrators, whome we shall choose from the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the world.”

      Well, do Clinton, Bush I, Bush II, Obama, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Eisenhower, Carter, Ford, etc. do they conform to this description, or did they go to the finest schools, and were they, did they have life time public (military) service which distinguished them?

      Etc., this “document” is crap and only a bigoted fool would believe it has any credibility.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 3, 2010

  213. PROTOCOL NO. 3

    To-day I may tell you that our goal is now only a few steps off. There remains a small space to cross and the whole long path we have trodden is ready now to close its cycle of the Symbolic Snake, by which we symoblize our people. When this ring closes, all the State of Europe will be locked in its coil as in a powerful vise.

    The constitution of scales of these days will shortly break down, for we have established them with a certain lack of accurate balance in order that they may oscillate incessantly until they wear through the pivot on which they turn. The goyim are under the impression that they have welded them sufficiently strong and they have all along kept on expecting that the scales would come into equilibrium. But the pivots–the kings on their thrones–are hemmed in by their representatives, who play the fool, distraught with their own uncontrolled and irresponsible power. This power they owe to the terror which has been breathed inot the palaces. As they have no means of getting at their people, into their very midst, the kings on their thrones are no longer able to come to terms with them and so strengthen themselves against the seekers of power. We have made a gulf between the far-seeing Sovereign Power and the blind force of the people so that both have lost all meaning, for like the blind man and his stick, both are powerless apart.

    In order to incite seekers after power to a misuse of power we have set all forces in opposition to one another, breaking up their liberal tendencies towards independence. To this end we have stirred up every form of enterprise, we have armed all parties, we have set up authority as a target for every ambition. Of States we have made gladiatorial arenas where a host of confused issues contend . . . A little more, and disorders and bankruptcy will be universal . . .

    Babblers inexhaustible have turned into oratorical contest the sitting of Parliament and Adminstrative Boards. Bold journalists and unscrupulous pamphleteers daily fall upon executive officials. Abuses of pwoer will put the final touch in preparing all institutions for their overthrow and everything will fly skyward under the blows of the maddened mob.

    All people are chained down to heavy toil by poverty more firmly than ever they were chained by slavery and serfdom; from these, one way and another, they might free themselves, these could be settled with, but from wnat they will never get away. We have included in the constitution such rights as to the masses appear fictitious and not actual rights. All thes so-called “people’s Rights” can exist only in ideea, which can never be realized in practical life. What is it to the proletariat labourer, bowed double over his heavy toil, crushed by his lot in life, if talkers get the right to babble, if journalists get the right to scribble any nonsense side by side with good stuff, once the proletariat has no ohter profit out of the constitution save only those pitiful crumbs which we fling them from our table in return for their voting in favour of what we dictate, in favour of the men we palce in power, the servants of our agentur. . . Repbublican rights for a poor man are no more than a bitter piece of irony, for the necessity he is under of toiling almost all day gives him no present use of them, but on the other hand, robs him of all guarantee of regular and certain earnings by making him dependent on strikes by his comrades or lockouts by his masters.

    The people under our guidance have annihilated the aristocracy, who were their one and only defense and froster-mother for the sake of their own advantage which is inseparably bound up with the well-being of the people. Nowadays, with the destruction of the aristocracy, the people ahve fallen inot the grips of merciless money-grinding scoundrels who have laid a pitiless and cruel yoke upon the necks of the workers.

    We appear on the scene as alleged saviors of the worker from this oppression when we propose to him to enter the ranks of our fighting forces–Socialists, Anarchists, Communists–to whom we always give support in accordance with an alleged brotherly rule (of the solidarity of all humanity) of our social masonry. The aristocracy, which enjoyed by law the labour of the workers, was interested in seeing that the workers were well fed, healthy, and strong. We are interested in just the opposite–in the diminution, the killing out of the GOYIM. Our power is in the chronic shortage of food and physical weakness of the will, and he will not find in his own authorities either strength or energy to set against our will. Hunger creates the right of capital to rule the worker more surely than it was given to the aristocracy by the legal authority of kings.

    By want and the envy and hatred which it engenders we shall move the mobs and with their hands we shall wipe out all those who hinder us on our way.

    When the hour strikes for our Sovereign Lord of all the World to be crowned it is these same hands whcih will sweep away everything that might be a hindrance thereto.

    The goyim have lost the habit of thinking unless prompted by the suggestions of our specialists. Therefore, they do not see the urgent necessity of what we, when our kingdom comes, ashall adopt at once, namely this, that it is essential to teach in national schoolsone simple true piece of knowledge, the basis of all knowledge–the knowledge of the structure of human life, of social existence, which requires division of labour, and consequently, the division of men inot classes and conditions. It is essential for all to know that owing to difference in the objects of human activity there cannot be any equality, that he who by any acto of his compromises a whole class cannot be equally responsible before the law with him who affect no one bu only his own honour. The true knowledge of the structure of society, into the secrets of which we do not admit the goyim, would demonstrate to all men that the positions and work must be kept within a certain circle, tkhat they may not become a source of human suffering, arising from an education which does not correspond with the work which individuals are called upon to do. After a thorough study of this knowledge the peoples will voluntarily submit to authority and accept such position as is appointe to themin the State. In the present state of knowledge and the directions we have given to its development the people, blindly believing anything in print–cherishes–thanks to the promptings intended to mislead and to its own ignorance–a blind hatred towards all conditions wich it considers above itself, for it has no understanding of the meaning of class and condition.

    This hatred will be still be further magnified by the effects of an economic crisis, which will stop dealings on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open tous and with the aid of the gold, which is all in our hands, a universal economic crisis whereby we shall throw upon the streets whole mobs of workers simultaneously in all the countries of Europe. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those, wom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from the cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

    “Ours” they will not touch, because the moment of attack will be known to us and wel shall take measures to protect our own.

    We have demonstrated that progress will bring all the goyim to the sovereignty of reason. Our despotism will be precisely that; for it will know how by wise severities to pacificate all unrest, to cauterise liberalism our of all institutions.

    When the populace has seen that all sorts of concessions and indulgences are yielded it in the name of freedom it has imagined itself to be sovereign lord and has stormed its way to power, but, naturally, like every other blind man it has come upon a host of stumbling blocks, it has rushed to find a guide, it has never had the sense to return to the former state and it has lalid down its plenipotentiary powers at our feet. Remember the French Revolution, to which it was we who gave the name of “Great”: the secrets of its preparations are well known tous for it was wholly the work of our hands.

    Ever since that time we have been leading the peoples from one disenchantment to another, so that in the end they should turn also from us in favour of that KIng_Despot of the blood of Zion whom we are preparing for the World.

    At the present day we are, as an international force, invincible, because if attacked by some we are supported by other States. It is the bottomless rascality of the goyim peoples, who crawl on their bellies to force, but are merciless toward weakness, unsparing to faults and indulgent to crimes, unwilling to bear the contradictions of a free social system but patient kunto martyrdom under the violence of a bold despotism–it is those qualilties which are aiding us to independence. From the premier-dictators of the present day the goyim suffer patiently and bear such abuses as for the least of them they would have beheaded twenty kings.

    What is the explanations of this pehnomenon, this curious inconsequence of the masses of the peoples in their attitude towards what would appear to be events of the same order?

    It is explained by the fact these dictators whisper to the peoples through their agents that through these abuses they are inflicting injury on the States with the highest purpose–to secure the welfare of the peoples, the international brotherhood of them all, their solidarity and equality of rights. Naturally they do not tell the peoples that this unification must be accomplished only undr our sovereign rule.

    And thus the people condemn the upright and acquit the guilty, persuaded ever more and more that it can do whatsoever it wishes. Thanks to the state of things the people are destroying every kind of stability and creaing disorders at every step.

    The word “freedom’ brings out the communities of men to fight against every kind of authority, even against God and the laws of nature. For this reason, we, when we come inot our kingdom, shall have to erase this word from the lexicon of life as implying a principle of brute force which turns mobs into bloodthirsty beasts.

    These beast, it is true, fall asleep again and every time when they have drunk thier fill of blood and at such time can easily be riveted into their chains. Butif they be not given blood they will not sleep and continue to struggle.

    Comment by Ron | June 4, 2010

  214. Please stay tuned, for Protocol 4. It only get better, as you look back across the pages of history, and see that the Protocols have been the works, for quite some time, despite the protestations of Leslie Schwartz, the propagandist, and notorious liar.

    Comment by Ron | June 4, 2010

    • Yawn.

      Good luck on your anti-Jew crusade, Ron.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 4, 2010

  215. PROTOCOL NO. 4

    Every republic passes through several stages. The first of these is comprised in the early days of mad raging by the blind mob, tossed hither and thither, right and left: the second id demagogy, from which is born anarchy, and that leads to despotism–not any longer legal and overt, and therefore responsible despotism, but to unseen and secretly hidden, yet nevertheless sensible felt despsotism in the hands of some secret organization or other, whose acts are the more unscrupulous inas much as it works behind a screen, behind the backs of all sorts of agents, the changing of whom not only does not injuriously affect but actually aids the secret force by saving it, thnaks to continual changes, from the necessity of expending its resources on the rewarding of long services.

    Who and what is in a positon to overthrow an invisible force? And this is precisely what our force is. Gentile masonry blindly serves as a screen for us and our objects, but the plan of action of our force, even its very abiding-place remains for the whole people an unknown mystery.

    But even freedome might be harmless and has its place in the State economy without injury to the well-being of the peoples if it rested upon the foundation of faith in God, upon the brotherhood of humanity, unconnected with the conception of equality, which is negatived by the very laws of creation, fo they have established subordination. With such a faith as this a people might be governed by a warship of parishes, and would walk contentedly and humbly under the guiding hand of its spiritual pastor submitting to the dispositions of God upoon earth. This is the reason why it is indispensable for us to undermine all faith, to tear out of the minds of the GOYIM the very principle of Godhead and the spirit, and to put in its place arithmetical calculations and material needs.

    In order to give the goyim no time to think and take note, their minds must be diverted towards industy and trade.
    (to be continued, followed by Protocol 5)

    Comment by Ron | June 4, 2010

  216. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocols_of_Zion

    The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    The Protocols of the (Learned) Elders of Zion (Russian: “Протоколы сионских мудрецов” or “Сионские протоколы”) is one of many titles given to an antisemitic text purporting to describe a plan to achieve global domination by the Jewish people. Following its first public publication in 1903 in the Russian Empire, a series of articles printed in The Times in 1921 revealed that much of the material was directly plagiarized from earlier works of political satire unrelated to Jews. [1]

    .. the Wikipedia article goes on a great length to give the full histories of this forgery, which it seems there are several version of, and who wrote them, how they played into history, that is the history of anti-Jewish mental illness, or “scapegoatism” to coin a phrase.

    Perhaps we know what sort of person would believe them to be genuine? That is someone who hates Jews, blames them for all the evil in the world done by humanity, ignoramuses, the un-educated, the gullible, people utterly un-self aware of their deep biases, etc.

    People like Ron, the un-Christian who believes every bit of non-sense that makes its way into the internet, so long as it conforms to his personal biases, like his deep hatred of Jews.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 5, 2010

  217. (Continuation of Protocol No.4)
    Thus, all the nations will be swallowed up in the pursuit of gain and in the race for will not take note of their common foe. But, again, in order that freedom may ocne for all disintegrate and ruin the communities of the goyim, we must put industry on a spculative basis: the result of this will be that what is withdrawn from the land by industy will slip through their hands, and pass into speculation, that is, to our classes.

    The intensfied struggle for superiority and shocks delivered to economic life will create, nay, have already crested, disenchanted, cold and heartless communities. Such communites will foster a strong aversion towards the higher political and religion. Their only guide is gain that is Gold, which they will erect ito a veritable cult, for the sake of those material delights which it can give. Then will the hour strike when, not for the sake of attaining the good, not even to win welath, but solely out of hatred toward the privileged, gthe lower classes of the goyim will follow our lead against our rivals for power, the intellectuals of the goyim.

    Comment by Ron | June 7, 2010

  218. Protocol No. 5

    What form of administrative rule can be given to communities in which corruption has penetrated everywhere, communities where riches are attained only by the clever surpries tactics of emis-swindling tricks; where the feelings towards faith and country are obliterated by cosmopolitan convictions? What form of rule is to be given to these communities if not that despotism which I shall describe to you later? We shall create an intensified centralization of government in oreder to grip in our hands all the forces of the community. We shall regulate mechanically all the actions of the political life of our subjects by new laws. These new laws will withdraw one by one all the indulgences and lieberties which have been permitted by the goyim, and or kingdom will be distinguished by a despotism of such magnificent proportios as to be at any moment and in every place in a position to wipe out any goyim who oppose us by deed or word.

    We shall be told that such a despotism as I speak of is not consistent with the progress of these days, but I will prove to you that it is.

    In the times when the peoples looked upon kings on their thrones as on a pure manifestion of the will of God, they submitted without a murmur to the despotic power of kings: but from the day when we insinuated in their minds the conception of their own rights they beganto regard the occupants of thrones as mere ordinary mortals. The holy unction of the Lord’s Annointed has fallen from the heads of kings in the eyes of the people, and when we also robbed them of their faith in God the might of power was flung upon the streets into the place of public proprietorship and was seized by us.

    Moreover, the art of directing masses and individuals by means of cleverly manipulated theory and verbiage, by regulation of life in common and all sortu of other quirks, in all which the goyim understand nothing, belongs likewise to the specialists of our administrative brain. Reared on analysis, observation, on delicacies of fine calculation, in this species of skill we have no rivals, any more than we have either the drawing up on plans of political actions and solidarity. In this respect the Jesuits alone might have compard with us, but we have contrived to discredit them in the eyes of the unthinking mob as an overt organization, while we ourselves all the while have kept our secret organization in the shade. However, it is probably all the same to the world who is its sovereign lord, whether the head of Catholicism or our despot of the blood of Ziion! But to us, the Chosen People, it is very far from being a matter of indifference.

    For a time perhaps we mioght be successfully dealt with by a coalition of the GOYIM of all the world: but from this danger we are secured by the discord existing among them whose roots are so deeply seated that they can never now be plucked up. We have set one against another the personal and antional reckonings of the goyim, religious and racial hatreds, which we haave fostered into a huge growth in the course of the past twenty centuries. This is the reason why there is not one State which would anywhere receive support if it were to raise its arm, for every one of them must bear in mind that any agreement against us would be unprofitable to itself. We are too strong–there is no evading our power. The nations cannot dome to even an inconsiderable private agreement without our secretly having a hand in it.

    Per Me reges regnant. “It is through Me that Kings reign.” And it was said the prophets that we were chosen by God Himself to rule over the whole earth. God had endowed us with genius that we may be equal to our task. Were genius in the opposite camp it would still struggle against us, but even so a newcomer is not match of the old-established settler: the struggle would be merciless between us, such a fight as the world has never yet seen. Aye, and the genius on their side would have arrived too late. All the wheels of the machinery of all Stated go by the force of the engine, which is in our hands, and that engine of the machinery of States is–Gold. The science of political economy invneted by our learned elders has for long past been giving royal prestige to capital.

    Capital, if it is to co-operate untrammeled, must be free to establish a monopoly of industry and trade: this is alsready being put in execution by an unseen hand in all quarters of the world. This freedom will give political force to those engaged in industry, and that will help to oppress the people. Nowadays is more important to disarm the poeples than to lead them into a war: more important to use for our advantage the passions which have burst into flames than to quench thier fire: more important to catch up and interpret the ideas of others to suit ourselves than to eradicate them. The principal object of our directorate consts in this: to deblitate the public mind by crticism; to lead it away from serious reflections calculated to arouse resistance; to distract the orces of the mind towards a sham fight of empty eloquence.

    In all ages the peoples of the word, equally with individuals, have accepted words for deeds, for they are content with a show and rarely pause to note, in the public arena, whether promises are followed by performance. Therefore, we hsll establish show institutions which will give eloquent proof of their benefit to progress.

    We shall assume to ourselves the liberal physiognomy of all parties of all directions, and we shall give that physiognomy a voice in orators who will speak so much tht they will exhaust the patience of their hearer and produce abhorrence of oratory.

    In order to put public opinion into our hands we must bring it into a state of bewilderment by giving expression from all sides to so many contradictory opinions and for such lenght of time as will suffice to make the GOYIM lose thier heads in the labyrinth and come to see that the best thing is to have no opinion of any kind in matter political, which is not given to the public to understand, because they are understood only by him who guides the public. This is the first secret.

    The second secret requisite for the success of our govenrment is comprised in the following: To multiply to such an extent national failings, habits, passions, conditions of civil life, that it will be impossible for anyone to know where he is in the resulting chaos, so that the people in consequence will fail to understand one another. This measure will also serve us in another way, namely, to sow discord in all parties, to dislocate all collective forces which are still unwilling to submit to us, and to discourage any kind of personal initiative which might in any degree hinder our affair. There is nothing more dangerous than personal initiative: if it has genius behind it, such initiative can do more than can be done by millions of people among whom we have sown discord. We msut so direct the educatio of the goyim communities that whenever they come upon a matter requiring initiative they may drop their hands in despairing impotence. The strain which results from freedom of action saps the forces when it meets with the freedomof another. From this collision arise grave moral shocks, disenchantments, failures. By all these means we shall so wear down the goyim that they will be compelled to offer us international power of nature that by its position will enaable us without any violence gradually to absorb all the State force of the world and to foram a Super-Government. In place the rulers of to-day we shall set up a bogey which will be call ehe Suepr-Governemnt Administration. Its hand will reach out in all directions like nippers and its organization will be of such colossal
    dimensions that it cannot fail to subdue all the nations of the world.

    Comment by Ron | June 8, 2010

  219. PROTOCOL NO. 6

    We shall soon begin to establish huge monopolies, resevoirs of colossal riches, upon which even large fortunes of the goyim will depend to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of the States on the day after the political smash . . .

    You gentlemen here present who are economists, just strike an estimate of the significance of this combination! . . .

    In every possible way we must develop the significance of our Super-Government by representing it as the Protector and Benefactor of all those who voluntarily submit to us.

    The aristocracy of the goyim as a political force, is dead–we need not take it into account; but as landed proprietors they can still be harmeful to us from the fct that they are self-sufficing in the resources upon which they live. It is essential therefore for u at whatever const to deprive them of their land. This object will be best attained by increasing the burden upon landed property–in loading lands with debts. These measures will check land-holding and keep it in a state of h umbe unconditional submission.

    The aristocrats of the goyim, being hereditarily incapable of contenting themselves with little, will rapidly burn up and fizzle out.

    At the same time we must intensively patronize trade and industry, but, first and foremost, speculation, the part played by which is to provide a counterpoise to industry: the absence of speculative industry will multiplay capital in private hands and will serve to restore agriculture, freeing the land from indebtedness to the land banks. What we want is that industry should drain off rom the land both labour and capital and by means of speculation transfer into our hands all the money in the world, and thereby throw all the goyim into the ranks of the proletariat. Then the goyim will bow down before us, if for no other ereason but to get the right to exist.

    To complete the ruin of the industry of the goyim we shall bring to the assistance of speculation the luxury which we have developed among the goyim, that greedy demand for luxury which is swallowing up everything. We shall raise the rate of wages, which however, will not bring any advantage to the workers, for, at the same time, weh shll produce a rise in prices of the first necessities of lief, allgeging that it arises from the decline of agriculture and cattle-breeding: we shall further undermine artfully and deeply the source of production, by accustoming the workers to anarchy and to drunkeness and side therewith taking all measures to extirpate from the face of the earth all the educated force of the GOYIM.

    In order that the true meaning of things may not strike the GOYIM before the proper time we shall mask it undr and alleged ardent desire to serve the working classes and the great principles of politicl economy about which our economomic theories are carrying on an energetic propaganda.

    Comment by Ron | June 10, 2010

  220. PROTOCOL NO. 7

    The intensification of armaments, the increase of police forces–are all essential for the completion of the aforementioned plans. What we have to get at is that there should be in all tghe States of the world, besides ourselves, on the masses of the proletariat, a few millionaires devoted to our interest, police, and soldiers.

    Throughout all Europe, and by means of relations with Europe, in other continents alos, we must create ferments, discords, and hostility. Therein we gain a double advantage. In the first palce we keep in check all countries, for they well know that we have gthe power whenever we like to create disorders or to restore order. All these countries are accustomed to see in us an idsipensable force of coercion. In the second place, by our intrigues we shall tangle up all the threads which he have stretched into the cabinets of all the Stqates by means of politics, by economic treaties, or loan obligations. In order to succeed in t hiswe msut use great cunning and penetration during negotiations and agreements, but, as regards what is called the “official language,” we shall keep the opposite tactics and assume the mask of the goyim, whom we have taught to look only at the outside of whatever we present to their notice, will still continue to accept us as the benefactors and saviors of the human race.

    We must be in a position to respond to evey act of oppostion by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should alos venture to stand collectivelt together against us, then we must offer resistance by universal war.

    We must compel the governments of the goyim to take action in the direction favoured by our widely conceived plan, already approaching the desired consummation, by what we shall represent as public opinion, secretly prompted by us through the means of that so-called “Great Power”–the Press, which with a few exceptions that may be disregarded, is already entirely in our hands.

    In a word, to sum up our system of keeping the governments of the goyim in Europe in check, we shall show our strength to one of them by terrorist attempts and to all, if we allow the possibility of a general against us, we shll respond with the guns of America or China or Japan.

    PROTOCOL NO. 8

    We must arm ourselves with all the weapons which our opponents might employ aginst us. We must search out in the vry finest shades of expression and the knotty points of the lexicon of law justification for those cases where we shall have to pronounce judgments that might appear abnormally audacious and unjust, for it is important that these resolutions should be set forth in expressions that shall seem to be the most exalted moral principles cast into legal form. Our directorate must srround itself with all of htese forces of civilization among which it will have to work.n It will surround itself with publicists, practical jurists, administrators, diplomats, and finally, with persons prepared by a special super-educational training in our special schools. These chords are the cast of mind of the goyim, their tendencies, shortcoming, vices and qualities, the partcularities of classed and conditions. Needless to say that the talented assistants of authorityu, of whom I speak, will be taken not from among the goyim, who are accustomed to perform their administrative work without giving themselves the trouble to think what its aim is, and never consider wht it is needed for. The adminsitrators of the goyim sign papers without reading them, and they serve either for mercenary reasons or from ambition.

    We sahll surround our government with a whole world of economists. That is the reason why economic sciences from the principal subjcec of the teaching given to Jews. Around us again will be a whole constellation of bankers, industrialists, capitalists, and–the main thing–millionaires, because in substance everything will be settled by the question of figuress.

    For a time, until there will no longer be any risk in entrusting responsible posts in our States to our brother-Jews, we shll put them in the hands of persons whose pat and reputation ar such that between them and the peole lies an abyss, persons who, in the case disobedience to our instructions, must face criminal charges or disappear–this in order to make them defend our interest to thier last gasp.

    (to be continued)

    Comment by Ron | June 10, 2010

  221. PROTOCOL NO. 9

    In applyingour principles let attention be paid to the character of the people in whose country you live and act; a general, identical application of them, until such time as the people shall have been re-edeucated to our pattern, cannot have success. Bu, by approaching their application, cautiously you will see that not a decade will pass befoe the most stubborn character will change and we shall add a new people the ranks of those already behind us.

    The word of the liberal, which are in effect the words of our Masonic watchword, namely, “liberty, Equality, Fraternity,” will, when we come into our kingdom, be changed by us into words no longer of a watchword, but only an expression of idealism, namely, into: “The right of liberty, the duty of equality, the ideal of brotherhood.” That is how we shall put it,–and so we shall catch the bull by the horns. Defacto we have already wiped out every kind of rule except our own, although de jure there still remian a good many of them. Nowadays, if any States raise a protest against us it is only pro forma at our discretion, for their anti-Semitism is indispensable to us for the management of our lesser bretheren. I will not enter into furhter explanations, for this matter has formed the subject of repated discussions amongst us.

    For us there are no check to limit the range of our activity. Our Super-Government subsists in extra-legal conditons wheich are described in the accepted terminology by the energetic and fociable word–Dictatorship. I am in a positon to tell your with a clear conscience that at the proper time we, the law-givers, shall execute judgment and sentecne, we shall slay and we shall spare, we, as head of all our troopes, are mounted on the steed of the leader. We rule by force of will because in our hands are the fragments of a once powerful party, now vanquished by us. And the weapons in our hands are limitless ambitions, burning greediness, merciless vengeance, hatreds and malice.

    It is from us that the all-engulfing terror proceeds. We have in our service persons of all opinions, retorating monarchists, demagogues, socialist, communists, and utopian dreamers of every kind. We have harnessed them all to the tasks: each one of them, on his own account is boring away at the last remnants of authority, is striving to overthrow all established for order. By these acts all States are in torture: they exhort to tranquillity, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace: but we will not give them peace until they openly acknowledge our international Super-Government, and they show submissiveness.

    The people have raised a how about the necessity of settling the question of Socialism by way of an international agreement. Division into fractional parties has given them into our hands, for, in order to carry on a contested struggle one must have money, and the money is all in our hands.

    We might have reason to apprehend a union between the “clear-sighted” force of the goy kings on their thrones and the “blind” force of the goy mobs, but we have taken all the needful measures against such possibility: between the one and the other force we have erected a bulwark in the shape of a mutual terror between them. In this way the bind force of the people remains our support and we, and we only, shall provide them with a leader and, of course, direct them along the road that leads to our goal.

    In order that the hand of the blind mob may not free itself from our guiding hand, we must evey now and then enter into close communion with it, if not actually in person, at any rate through some of the most trusty of our bretheren. When we are acknowleded as the only authority we shall discuss with the peole personally on the market places, and we shall instruct them on questions oof the political in such wise as may turn them in the direction that suits us.

    Who is going to verify what is taught in the village schools? But what an envyoy of the government or a king on this throne himself may say cannot become immediately known to the whole State, for it will be spread aborad by the voice of the people.

    In order not to annihiliate the instituions of the goyim before it is time we have touched them with craft and delicacy, and have taken hold of the ends of the springs which move their mechanism. These springs lay in a strict but just sense of order; we have replaced them by the chaotic license of liberalism. We have got our hands into the administration of the law, into the conduct of elections, into the press, into liberty of the person, but principally into education and training as being the coner-stone of a free existence.

    We have fooled, bemused and corrupted the youth of the GOYIM by rearing them in principles and theories which known to us to be false, although it is by us, they they have been inculcated.

    Above the existing laws without substantially altering them, and by merely twisting them into contradictions of interpretations, we have erected something grandiose in the way of results. These results found expression first in the fact that the interpretations masked the laws: afterward they entirely hid fomr the eyes of the governments owing to the impossibility of making anything out of the tangled web of legislation.

    This is the origin of the theory of course of arbitration.

    You may say the goyim will rise upon us, arms in hand, if they gurss what is going on befroe the time comes; but in the West we have against a manoeuvre of such appalling terror that the stoutest hearts quail–the undergrounds, metropolitans, those subterranean corridors which, before the time comes, will be driven undr all the capitals and from whence those capitals will be blown into the air with all their organisations and archives.

    PROTOCOL NO.10

    To0day I begin with a proposition of what I said before, and I beg you to bear in mind that governments and peoples are content in the political with outside appearances. And how, indeed, are the goyim to perceive the underlying meaning of things when their representatives give the best of their energies to enjoying themselves? For our policy it is of the greaates importance to take cognisance of this detai; it will be of assistance to us when we come to consider the division of the law of association, of equality before the law, of the inviolability of property, of the dwelling, of taxation(the idea of concealed taxes), of the reflex force of the laws. All these qeustions ae such as ought not to be touched upon directly and openly before the people. In cases where it is indispensable to touch upon them they must not be categorically named, it must merely be declared without detailed expositon that the principles of contemporary law are acknowledged by us. The reason of keeping silecne in this respect is that by not naming a principle we leave ourseleves freedom of action, to drop this or that without attracting notice; if they were all aategorically named they would all appear to have been already given.

    The mob cherished a special affection and respect for the geniuses of political power and accepts all their deed of violence with the admiring response: “rascally, well yes, it is rascally, but it’s clever! . . . a trick, if you like, but ow craftily played, how magnificently done, what impudent audacity!” . . .

    We count upon attracting all nations to the task of erecting the new fundamental structure, the project for which has been drawn up by us. This is why, before everything, it is indipsensable for us to arm ourselves and to store up in ourselves that absolutely reckless audacity and irresistble might of the spirit which in the person of our active workers will break down all handrances in our way.

    When we have accomplished our coup d’etat we shll say then to the various peoples: “Everything has gone terribly badly, all have been worn out with sufferings. We are destroying the causes of your torment–natinalities, frontiers, differences of coinages. You are at liberty, of course, to pronounce sentence upon us, but can it possibly be a just one if it is confirmed before you make any trial of whqt we are offering you.” . . . Then will the mob exalt us and bear us up in their hands in a unanimous triumph of hopes and expectations. Voting, which we have made the the instrument which will set us on the throne of the world by teaching even the smallest units of numbers of the human race to vote by means of meetings and agreeements by groups, will then have served its prulposed and will play its part then for the last time by a unanimity of desire to make close acquaintance with us before condemning us.

    To secure this we must have everybody vote without distinction of classes and qualifications, in order to establlish an absolute majority, which cannot be got from the educated propertied classes. In this way, by inculcating in all a sense of self-importance, we shall destroy among the goyim the importance of the familty and its educational value and remove the possibility of individual minds splitting off, for the mobe, handled by us, will not let them come to the front nor even give them a hearing'; it is accustomed to listento us only who payit for obedience and attention. In this way we shall create a blind, mighty force which will never be in a postion to move in any direction without the guidance of our agents set at its head by us as leaders of the mob. The people will submit to this regime because it will know that upon these leaders will depend its earnings, gratifications and the receipt of all kinds of benefits.

    A scheme of government should come ready made from one brain, because it will never be clinched formally if it is allowed to be split into fractional parts in the minds of many. It is allowable, therfore, for us to have cognizance of the scheme of action but not to discuss it lest we disturb its artfulness, the interdependence of its component parts, the practical force of the secret meaning of each clause. to discuss and make alterations in a labour of this kind by means of numerous votings is to impress upon it the stamp of all ratiocinations and misunderstandings which have failed to penetrate the depth and nexus of its plottings. We want our schemes to be forcible and suitably concocted. Therefore, WE OUGHT NOT TO FLING THE WORK OF GENIUS OF OUR GUIDE to the fangs of the mob or even of a select company.

    These schemse will not turn existing institutions upside down just yet. They will only affect changes in their economy and consequently in the whole combined movement of their progress, which will thus be directed along the paths laid down in our schemes.

    Unde various names there existrs in all countries approximately one one and the same thing. Representation, Ministry, Senate, State Councial, Legislative and Executive Corps. I need not explain to you the mechanism of the relation of these institutions to one another, because you are aware of all that; only tke note of the fact that each of the above-named institutions corresponds to some important function of the State, and I would beg you to remark that the word “important” I apply not to the institution but to the function, consequently it is not the institutions which are important but their functions. These institutions have divided up among themselves all the functions of government–administrative, legislative, executive, wherefore they have come to operate as do the organs of the human body. If we injure one part in the machinery of State, the Stae falls sick, like a human body, and will die.

    When we introduced into the State organism the poison of Liberalism its whole political complexion underwent a change. States have been seized with a mortal illness–blood poisoning. all that remains is to await the end of their death agony.

    Liberalism produced Continental States, which took the place of of what was the only safeguard of the goyim, namely Despotism; and a constitution, as you well know, is nothing else but a school of discords, misunderstanding, quarels, disagreements, fruitless party agitations, party whims–in a word, a school of everything that serves to destroy the prsonaity of State activity. The tribune of the “talkeries” has, no less effectively than the Press, condemned the rulers to inactivity and impotence, and thereby rendered them useless and superfluous, for which reason indeed they have been in many countries deposed. Then it was the era of republics became possible of realisation, and then it was that we replaced the ruler by a caricature of a government–by a president, taken fromthe mob, from the midst of our puppet creatures, our slaves. This was the foundation of the mine which we have laid under the goy peoples.

    In the near future we shall establish the responsiblity of presidents.

    By that time we hall be in a position to disregard forms in carrying through matters for which our personal puppet will be responsible. What do we care if the ranks of those striving for power should be thinned, if there should arise a deadlock from the impossibiltiy of finding presidents, a deadlock which will finally disorganize the country.

    On order that our scheme may produce this result we shall arrange elections in favor of such presidents as have in their part some dark, undiscovered stain, some “Panama” or other–then they will be trustworthy agents for the accomplishment of our plans out of fear of revelations and fromthe natural desire of everyone who has attained power, namely the retention of privileges, advantages and honor connected with the office of president. The chamber of deputies will provide cover for, will protect, will elect the president, but we sahll take from it the right to propose new, or make changes in existing laws, for this right will be given by us to the responsible president, a puppet in our hands. Naturally, the authority of the president will then become a target for evry possible form of attack, but we shall provide him with a means of self-defense in the right of appeal to that same blind slave of ours–the majority of the mob. Independently of this we shall invest the president with right of declaring a state of war. We shall jsutify this last right on the ground that the president as chif of the whole army of the country must have it at his disposal, in case of need of the defense of the new republich constitution, the right to defend which will belong to him as the responsible representative of this constitution.

    Besides this we shall, with the introduction of the new republican constitution, take from the Chamber the right of interpellation on government measures, on the pretext of preserivng politcal secrecy, and, further, we shall by the new constituion reduce the number of representatives to a minimum, thereby propotionately reducing political passions and the passion for politics. If, however, they should, which is hardly to be expected, burst into flame, even in this minum, we shall nullify them by a stirring appeal and a reference to the majority of the whle people . . . Upon the president will depend the appointment of presidents and vice-presidents of the Chamber and the Senate. Instead of constant sessions of Parliaments we shall reduce their sittings to a few months. Moreover, the president, as chief of the executive power, will have the right to summon and dissolve Parliament, and in the latter case, to prolong the time for the appointment of a new parliamentary assembly. But in ordr that the consequences of all these acts which in substance areillegal, should not, prematurely of our plans, fall upon the responsiblity established by us of the president, we shall instigate minister and other officials of the higher administration about the president to evade his dispositons by taking measures of their own,, for doing which they will be made the scapegoats in his place. . . . This part we especially recommend to be given to be played by the Senate, the Council f Minister, but no to an individual official.

    The president will, at our discretion, interpret the sense of such of the existing laws as admit of various interpretation: he will further annul them when we indicate to himthe necessity to do so, besides this, he will have the right to propose temporary laws, and even new departures kn the govrnment constitutional working, the pretext for the one and other being the requirements for the supreme welfare of the State.

    (to be continued)

    Comment by Ron | June 11, 2010

  222. Nothing but propaganda, that only the ignorant would think is genuine.
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    And BTW, back to the topic.

    The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

    And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

  223. Right, and if you are stupid enough to believe this utter crap and non-sense is anything more than fodder for stupid ignoramuses like Ron, then you, and him and the rest of you NAZIs can believe it is a real plan for world domination.

    Most people are not so ignorant.
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    I consider Ron to be the perfect example of a weak minded bigot who has bought into every piece of anti Jewish hate mongering nonsense that has made its way onto the internet.

    I urge everyone to go back over this page and re-read several times if necessary everything that Ron has posted and ask your self;

    1) Are these the views of a man with an contemporary, modern education? [No]

    2) Is this individual even mentally capable of absorbing and understanding simple scientific concepts even a high schooler could comprehend? [Definitely not]

    3) Does this fellow even operate with a sane world view, or is he some sort of compulsive religious nut job driven by idiosyncratic pseudo-religious mumbo-jumbo he has fixated on and compulsively repeats over and over, and over and over, and over and over, again? [No, he is a obsessive compulsive, fixated hater]

    4) Is this fellow capable of discerning between total trash and fiction that gets posted on the internet, verses real science, sociology, history? [No he can't tell fact from fiction]

    I think his posts prove exactly the answer to these questions, without a doubt. [Yes, they do]
    ___

    And BTW, back to the topic.

    The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

    And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 12, 2010

  224. (continuation of Protocol No. 10)

    By such measures we shall obtain the power of destroying little by little, step by step, all that at the outset when we enter on our rights, we are compelled to introduce into the constitutions of States to prepare for the transition to an imperceptible aboliton of evey kind of constitution, and then the time to come to run every forgm of government into our depsotism.

    The recongntin of our depsot may also come beofe the destruction of the constitution; the moment for this recognition will come when the peoples, utterly wearied by the irregularities and incompetience–a matter which we shall arrange for–of their rulers will clamor: “Away with them and give us one king over all the earth who will unite with us and annihilate the causes of discords–frontiers, nationalities, religions, State debts–who will give us peace and quiet, which we cannot find undr our rulers and representatives.”

    But you yourselves perfectly welll know that to produce the possibility of the expression of such wishes by all the nations is indispensable to trouble in all countries the peoples’ relations with their governments so as to uttrly exhaust humanity wih dissension, hatred, struggle, envy and even by the use of torture, by starvation, BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES, by want, so that the GOYIM see no other issue than to take refuge in our complete sovereignty in money and in all else.

    But if we give the nations of the world a brething space the moment we long for is harldy ever to arrive.

    ((to be continued with Protocol No. 11)

    Comment by Ron | June 14, 2010

  225. PROTOCOL NO. 11

    The State Council has been, as it wre, the emphatice expression of the authority of the ruler: it wiil be, , as the “show” part of the Legislative Corp, what may be called the editorial committes of the laws and decrees of the ruler.

    This, then is the program of the new constitution. We shall make Law, Right and Justice (1) IN THE GUISE OF PROPOSALS TO THE Legislative Corps, (2) by decrees of the president undr the guise of genral regulations, of order of the Senate and of resolutions of the State council in the guise of ministerial order, (3) and in case a suitable occasion should arise–in the form of a revolution in the State.

    Having established approximately the modus agendi we will occupy ourselves with details of those combinations by which we have still to complete the revolution in the cours of the machinery of State in the direction already indicated. By thes combinations I mean the freedo of the Press, the right of association, freedom of conscience, the voting principle, and many another that must disappear forever from the memory of man, or undergo a radical alteration the day after the promulgation of the new constitution. It is only at that moment that we shall be able at once to announce all our ordrs, for, afterwards, every noticeable alteration will be dangerous, for the following reasons: if this alteration be brought in with harsh severity and in a sense of severity and limitations, it may lead to a feeling of despair caused by fear of new alterations in the same direction; if, on the other hand, it be brought in a sense of furhter indulgences it will be siad that we have become alarmed and ar compelled to show a yielding dispostion, for which we shall get no thanks because it will be supposed to be compulsory. . . Both the one and the other are injurious to the prestige of the new constitution. What we want is that from the first moment of its promulgation, while the people of the world are still stunned by the accomplished fact of the revolution, still in a conditon of terror and uncertainty, they should recognize once of all that we are so strong, so inexpubnable, so supeabundantly filled with power, that in no case shall we take any account of them, and so far from paying any attention to thier opinions or wishes, we are rady and able to crush with irresitible power all expression or manifestation thereof at every moment and in every palce, that we have seized at once everything we wanted and shall in no case divide our power with them . . . Then in fear and trembling they will close their eyes to everthing, and be content to await what wil the end of it all.

    The goyim are a flock of sheep, and we are their wolves. And you know what happens when the wolves get hold of the flock? . . .

    There is another reason also why they will close their eyes: for we shall keep promising them to give back all the liberties we have take away as soon as we have quelled the enemies of peace and tamed all parties . . .

    I is not worth while to say anything about how long they will be kept waiting for this return of their liberties . . .

    For what purpose then have we invented this shole policy and insinuated it inot the minds of the goys without giving them any chance to examine its underlying meaning? For what, indeed, if not in order to obtain in a rooundabout way what is for our scattered tribe unattainable by the direct road? It is this which has served as the basis for our organization of

    Comment by Ron | June 14, 2010

  226. PROTOCOL NO. 11

    The State Council has been, as it wre, the emphatice expression of the authority of the ruler: it wiil be, , as the “show” part of the Legislative Corp, what may be called the editorial committes of the laws and decrees of the ruler.

    This, then is the program of the new constitution. We shall make Law, Right and Justice (1) IN THE GUISE OF PROPOSALS TO THE Legislative Corps, (2) by decrees of the president undr the guise of genral regulations, of order of the Senate and of resolutions of the State council in the guise of ministerial order, (3) and in case a suitable occasion should arise–in the form of a revolution in the State.

    Having established approximately the modus agendi we will occupy ourselves with details of those combinations by which we have still to complete the revolution in the cours of the machinery of State in the direction already indicated. By thes combinations I mean the freedo of the Press, the right of association, freedom of conscience, the voting principle, and many another that must disappear forever from the memory of man, or undergo a radical alteration the day after the promulgation of the new constitution. It is only at that moment that we shall be able at once to announce all our ordrs, for, afterwards, every noticeable alteration will be dangerous, for the following reasons: if this alteration be brought in with harsh severity and in a sense of severity and limitations, it may lead to a feeling of despair caused by fear of new alterations in the same direction; if, on the other hand, it be brought in a sense of furhter indulgences it will be siad that we have become alarmed and ar compelled to show a yielding dispostion, for which we shall get no thanks because it will be supposed to be compulsory. . . Both the one and the other are injurious to the prestige of the new constitution. What we want is that from the first moment of its promulgation, while the people of the world are still stunned by the accomplished fact of the revolution, still in a conditon of terror and uncertainty, they should recognize once of all that we are so strong, so inexpubnable, so supeabundantly filled with power, that in no case shall we take any account of them, and so far from paying any attention to thier opinions or wishes, we are rady and able to crush with irresitible power all expression or manifestation thereof at every moment and in every palce, that we have seized at once everything we wanted and shall in no case divide our power with them . . . Then in fear and trembling they will close their eyes to everthing, and be content to await what wil the end of it all.

    The goyim are a flock of sheep, and we are their wolves. And you know what happens when the wolves get hold of the flock? . . .

    There is another reason also why they will close their eyes: for we shall keep promising them to give back all the liberties we have take away as soon as we have quelled the enemies of peace and tamed all parties . . .

    I is not worth while to say anything about how long they will be kept waiting for this return of their liberties . . .

    For what purpose then have we invented this shole policy and insinuated it inot the minds of the goys without giving them any chance to examine its underlying meaning? For what, indeed, if not in order to obtain in a rooundabout way what is for our scattered tribe unattainable by the direct road? It is this which has served as the basis for our organization of SECRET MASONRY WHICH IS NOT KNOWN TO, AND AIMS WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SO MUCH AS SUSPECTED BY, THESE GOY CATTLE, ATTRACTED BY US INTO THE “SHOW” ARMY OF MASONIC LODGES IN ORDER TO THROW DUST IN THE EYES OF THEIR FELLOWS.

    God has granted to us, His Chosen People, the gift of dispersion, and in this which appears in all eyes to be our weakness, has come forth all our strength, which has now brough us to the threshold of sovereignty over all the world.

    There now remains not much more for us to build up upon the foundation of the world.

    Comment by Ron | June 14, 2010

    • Thanks for the great snoozing material Ron. ZZZzzzzzz….

      You sure are showing those evil Khazarian Jews that a brilliant guy like you knows how to fight back.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 14, 2010

  227. PROTOCOL NO. 12

    The word “freedom” which can be interpreted in various ways, is defined by us as follows:—–

    Freedom is the right to do that which the law allows. This interpretatin of the word will at the proper time be of service to us, because all freedom will thus be in our hands, since the laws will abolish or create only that which is desirable for us according to the aforesaid programme.

    We shall deal with the press i n the following way: What is the part played by the press to-day? It serve to excite and inflame those passions which are needed for our purpose or esle it serves selfish ends or parties. We shall saddle and bridle it with a tight curb: we shall do the same also with all productions of the printing press, for where would be the sense of getting rid of the attacks of the press if we remain targets for pamphlet and books? The produce of publicity, which nowadays is a source of heavy expens owing to the necessity of censoring it, will be turned by us into a very lucrative source of of income to our State: we shall lay on it a special stamp tax and require deposits of caution-money before permitting the establishment of any organ of the press or of printing offices; these will then have to guarantee our government against any kind of attack on the part of the press. For any attempt to attack us, if such still be possible, we shall inflict fines without mercy. Such measures as stamp tax, deposit of caution-money and fines secured by these deposits, will bring in a huge income to the government. It is true that party organs might not spare money for the sake of publicity, but these we shall shut up at the second attack upon us. No one shall with impunity lay a finger on the aureole of our govrnment infallibility. Tkhe pretext for stopping any publication will be the alleged plea that it is agitating the public mind without occasion or justification. I beg you to note that among those making attacks upon us will also be organs established by us, but they will not attack exclusively ponts that we have pre-determined to alter.

    Not a single annoucement will reach the public without our control Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose office they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them.

    If already now we have contrived to possess ourselves of the minds of the goy communities of such an extent that they all come near looking upon the events of the world through the colored glasses of those spectacles we are setting astrid their noses: if already now there is not a single State where there exist for us any barriers to admittance into what goy stupidity call State secrets: what will our position be then, when we shall be acknowledged supre lords of the world in the preson of our king of the world . . .

    Let us turn again to the future of the printing press. Every one desirous of being a publisher, librarian, or printer, will be obliged to provide himself with the diploma instituted therefor, which in case of default, will be immediately impounded. With such measures the insturment of thought will become an educative means in the hands of our goverment, which will no longer alllow the mass of the nation to be led astray in by-ways and fantasies about the blessing of progress. Is there any one of us who does not know that these phantom blessings art direct roads to foolish imaginings which give birth to anarchical relations of men among themselves and towards authority, because progress, or rather the idea of progress, has introduced the conception of evry kind of emancipation, but has failed to establish its limits. . .
    All the so-called liberals are anarchists, if not in fact, at any rate in thought. Every one of them is hunting after phantoms of freedom, and falling exclusively into license, that is, into the anarchy of protest for the sake of protest.

    We turne to the periodical press. We sahll impose on it, as on all printed matter, stamp taxes per sheet and deposits of caution-money, and books of less than 30 sheets will pay double. We shall reckon them as pamphlets in order, on the one hand, to reduce the number of magaziens, which are the worst form of printed posion, and, on the other, in order that this measure may force writier into such lengthy productions that they will be little read, especially as they will be costly. At the same time what we shall publish ourselves to influence mental development in the direction laid down for our profit will be cheap and will be read voraciously. The tax will bring vapid literary ambitions within bounds and and the liability to penalties will make literary men dependent upon us. And if there should be any found who are desirous of writing against us they will not find any person eager to print their productions. Before accepting any production for publication in print the publisher or printer will have to apply to the authorities for persmission to do so. Thus, we shall know beforehand of all tricks preparing against us and shall nullify them by getting ahead with explanation on the subject treated of.

    Literature and jorunalism are two of the most important eduative forces, and therefore our government will become proprietor of the majority of journals. This will neutralize the injurious influence of the provately owned press and will put us in possession of a tremendous influence over the public mind . . . If we give permits for ten journals, we shall ourselves found thirty, and so on in the same proportions. This, however, must in nowise be suspected by the public. For which reason all journals published by us will be of the most opposite, in appearance, tendencies and opinions, thereby creating confidence in us and bringing over to us our quite unsuspicious opponents, who will thus fall inot our trap and be rendered harmless.

    In the first rank will stand organs of an official character. They will always stand guard over our interest, and therefore their influence will be comparatively insignificant.

    In the second raank will be the semi-offical organs, whose part it will be to attract the tepid and indifferent.

    In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, opposition, which, in at leqst one of its organs, will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponets at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards.

    all our neewspa

    Comment by Ron | June 15, 2010

  228. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions–aristocratic, republican revolutionary, even anarchical–for so long, of course, as the constituon exists . . . . Like the Indian idol Vishnu they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required.

    (to be continued)

    Comment by Ron | June 15, 2010

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    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 16, 2010

  230. Reading Ron posts, you might think this page is about Jew hating, how to really stick it to the Jews.

    But in fact it is supposed to be about the Koestler Hypothesis, which a lot of uninformed Jew-haters think is true, but in fact it is not true.

    Here are some links to scientific papers.

    From Discover Magazine,

    Genetics & the Jews

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/06/genetics-the-jewish-question/comment-page-1/#comment-24683

    And from Dienekes blog about anthropology, many articles on genetics, not all on Jewish genetics by any degree, lots of interesting articles for people with the mental resources to comprehend the material, sorry Ron … but Ron tkae a look anyway.

    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/12/jews-intermediate-between-middle.html

    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/06/two-major-groups-of-living-jews-atzmon.html

    The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

    And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 16, 2010

  231. (Continuation of Protocol No. 12)

    When a pulse quickens thee hands will lead opinion in the directin of our aims, foa an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of the newspaper of their own cqamp will be repeating our opinion or any opinon that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will in fact follow the flag which we hang out for them.

    In order to direct our newspaper lilitia in this sense we must take special and minute care in organizaing this matter.s Under the titile of central department of the press we shall institute literary gatherings at which our agents will without attracting attention issue the orders and watlchwords of the day. By discussing and controverting, but always superficially, without touching the essence of the matter, our organs will carry on a sham fight fusillade with the official newspapers solely for the purpose of giving occasion for us to expresss ourselves more fully than could well be done from the outset in official announcements, whenever, of course, that is to our advantage.

    These attackp upon us will also serve another purpose, namely, that our subjects be convinced of the existence of full freedom of speech and so give our agents an occasion to affirm that all organs which oppose us are empty babblers, since they are incapable of finding any substantial objections to our orders.

    Methods of organization like these, imperceptibel to the public eye but absolutely sure, are the best calculated to succeed in bringing the attention and the confidence of the public to the side of our government. Thanks to such methods we shall be in a position as from time to time may be required, to excite or to tranquilize the public mind on political questions, to persuade or to confuse, printing now truth, now lies, facts or their contradictions, according as they may be well or ill received, always very cautiously feeling ourground before stepping on it . . . We shall have a sure triumph over our opponents since they will not have at their dispositions organs of the press in which they can give full and final expression to their views owing to the aforesaid methods of dealing with sthe press. We shall not even need to refute them except ver superficially.

    Trial shots like these, fired by us in the third rank of our press, in case of need, will be energetically refuted by us in our semi-official organs.

    Even nowadays, already, to take only the French press, there are forms which reveal Mason solidarity in acting on the watchword: all organs of the press are bound together by professional secrecy; like the augurs of old, not one of their number will give away the secret of his sources of information unless it be resolved to make annoucemnt to them. Not one journalist will venture to betrayh this secret, for not one of them is ever admitted to practice literature unless his whole past has some disgraceful sore or other . . . These sores would be immediately revealed. So long as they remain the secret of a few the prestige of the journalist attracts the majority of the country–the mob follows after him with enthusiasm.

    Our caluculations are especially extended to the provinces. It is indispenable for us to inflame there those hopes and impulses with which we could at any momentfall upon the capital, and we shall represent to the capitals that these expressions are the independent hopes and impuses of the provinces. Naturally, the source of them will be always one and the same–ours. What we need is that, until such time as we are in the plenitude of power, the capitals should find themselves stifled by the provincial opinion of the nations, i.e., of a majority arranged by our agentur. What we need is that at the psychological moment the capitals should not be in a postion to discuss an accomplished fact for the simpel reason, if for no other, that ilt has been accepted by the public opinion of a majority in the provinces.

    When we are in the period of the new regime transitional to that of our assumption of full sovereignty we must not admit any revelations by the press of any form of public dishonesty; it is necessary that the new regime should be thought to have so perfectly contented everybody that even criminality has disappeared . . . . Cases of the manifestation of criminality should remain known only to their victims and to chance witnesses–no more.

    Comment by Ron | June 16, 2010

  232. PROTOCOL NO. 13

    The need of daily bread forcrs the goyim to keep silence and be our humble servants. Agents taken on to ourpress from among the goyim will at our ordr dicuss anything which it is inconvenient for us to issue directly in official documents, and we meanwhile, quietly amid the din of the discussion so raised, shll simply take and carry through such measures as we wish and then offer them to the public as an accomplished fact. No one will dare to demand the abrogatin of a matter once settled, all the more s as it will be represented as an improvement . . . And immediately the press will distract the current of thought toward new questions (have we not trained people always to be seeking something new?). Into the discussion of these new qluesitons will throw themselves those of the brainless dispenser of fortuens who are not able even now to undrstand that they have not the remotes conception about the matters which they undertake to discuss. Questions of the political re unattainable for any save those who have guide it already for mane ages, the creators.

    From all this you will see that in securing the opinion of the mob we are only facilitating the working of our machinery, and you may remark that it is not for actions but for words issued by us on this or that question that we seem to seek approval. We are constantly makeing public declaration that we uided in all our undertakings by the hope joined to the conviction, that we are serving the commonweal.

    In order to distract people who may bee too troublesome from discussions of questions of the politcal we are now putting forward what we allege to be new questions of the political, namely, questions of industry. In this sphere let them discuss themselves silly! The mases are agreed to remain inactive, to take a rest from what they suppose to be poitical activity (which we trained them to in order to use them as a means of combattig the goy governments) only on condition of being found new employments, in which we are prescribing them something that looks liek the sme political object. In order that the masses themselves may not gues what they are about we further distract them with amusements, games, pastimes, passions people’s palacees . . . Soon we shall begin through the press to propose competitions in art, in sports of all kinds: these intersts will finally distract their minds from questions in which we should find ourselves compelled to oppose them. Growing more and more disaccustomed to reflect and form any opinons of their own, people will begin to talk in the same tone as we, because we alone shall be offering them new directions for thought . . . of course through such persons as we will not be suspected of solidarity with us

    Comment by Ron | June 16, 2010

  233. (Continuation of Protocol No. 13)

    The part played by the liberals, utopian dreamers, will be finally played out when oru government is acknowledged. Till such time they will continue to do us good service. Therefore we shall continue to direct their mindsto all sorts of vain conceptions of fantastic theories, new and apparently progressive: for have we not with complete success turned the brainless head of the goyim with progress, till ther is not among the goyim one mind able to perceive that under this word lies a departure from truth in all cases where it is not a question of material inventions, for truth is one, and in it there is no place for progress. Progres, like a fallacious idea, serves to obscure truth so that none may know it except us, the Chose of God, its guardians.

    When we come into our kingdom our orators will expound great problems which have turned humanity upside down in order to bring at the end under our beneficent rule.

    Who will ever suspect then that ALL THESE PEOPLES WERE STAGE-MANAGED BY US ACCORDING TO A POLITICAL PLAN WHICH NO ONE HAS SO MUCH AS GUESSED AT IN THE COURSE OF THE MANY CENTURIES . . .

    PROTOCOL NO. 14

    When we come into our kingdom it will be undesirable for us that there should exist any other religion than ours of the One God with whom our destiny is bound up by our postion as the Chose People and through whom our same destiny is untied with the destinies of the world. We must therefore sweep away all other forms of belief.. If ths gives birth to atheistswho we see to-day, it will not, being only a transitional stage, interfere with our views, but will serve as a warning for those generations which will hearkne to our preaching of the religion of Moses, taht, by its stable and thoroughly elaborated system, has brought all the peoples of the world into subjection to us. Therein we shall emphsize its mystical right, on which, as we shall say, all its eduatie power is based . . . Then at every possible opportunity we shall publish articles in which we shall make comparisons between our beneficent rule and those of past ages. The blessing of tranquillity, thout it be a tranquility forcibly brough about by centuries of agitation, will throw into higher relief the benefits to which we shall point. The errors of the goyim governments will be depicted by is in the most vivid hues. We shall implant such an abhorrence of them that the peoples will prefer trnaqullity in a state of serfdom to those rights of vaunted freedom which have tortured humanityand exhausted the very source of human existence, sources which have exploited by a mob of rascally adventurers who know not what they do. . . .. Useless changes of forms of government to which we instigated the GOYIM when we were underminng their state structures , will have so wearied the peoples that by that time that they will prefer to suffer anything under us rather tahn run the risk of enduring agian all the agitations and miseries they have gone through.

    At the same timewe shall not omit to emphasize the historical mistakes of the goy govenrments which have tormented humanity for so many centureis by their lackof understanding of everthing that constitutes the true goo of humanity in their chse after fantastic schemes of social blessings, and have never noticed that these schems kept on produing a worse and never a better state of the universal relaions which are the basis of himan life . . .

    The whole force of our principles and methods will lie in the fact that we shall prsent them and expound them as a splendid contrast to the deand and decomposed old order of things in social life.

    Our philosopher will discuss all the shortcomings of the various bliefs of the goyim, BUT NO ONE WILL EVER BRING UNDER DISCUSSION OUR FAITH FROM ITS TRUE POINT OF VIEW SINCE THIS WILL BE FULLY LEARNED BY NONE SAVE OURS, WHO WILL NEVER DARE TO BETRAY ITS SECRETS.

    In countries known as progressive and enlighened we have created a senseless, filthym, abominable literature. For some time after our entrance to power we shall continue to encourage its existence in order to provide a telling relief by contrst to the speeches, party program, which will be distributed from exalted quarter of ours . . . Our wise men, trained to become leaders of the goyim, will compose speeches, projects, memoirs, articles, which will be used by us to influence the minds of the goyim, directing them towards such understanding and forms of knowledge as have been determined by us.

    Comment by Ron | June 16, 2010

    • Ron, you should know that because you are publishing this material a lot of big fat Jews are getting very nervous.

      They are afraid that other people like yourself – ignoramuses, that is, will begin to understand how Jews are controlling their mind with microwaves, and how they are controlling everything else as well, TV re-run schedules, government, the lottery, the political elections in Zambonia, etc.

      You better watch out, they are threatening to send everyone who reads this a load of stale kishkies.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 17, 2010

  234. The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

    And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

    You may wonder why this page is filled with a bunch of Jew haters spewing their guts out.

    Well I wonder why, – the Koestler hypothesis is proven wrong by real genetic scientists, and the Jew haters can’t stand this, so they are posting their diaries of hate.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 17, 2010

  235. PROTOCOL NO. 15

    When we at last definitely come into our kingdom by the aid of coup d’etat prepared everywhere for one and the same day, after the worthlessness of all existing forms of government has been definitely acknowledged (and not a little time will pass before that comes about, perhaps even a whole century) we shall make it our task to see that against us such things as plots shall no longer exist. With this purpose we shall slay without mercy all who take arms (in hand) to oppose our coming into our kingdom. Every kind of new institution of anything like a secret society will also be punished with death. ; those of them which are now in existence, are known to us, serve us and have served us, we shall disband and send into exisle to continents far removed from Europe. In this way we shall proceed with those GOY masons who know too much; such of these as we may for some ereason spare will be kept in constant fear of exile. We sahll promulgate a law making all former members of secret societies liable to exile from Europe at the center of our rule.

    Resolution of our government will be final, without appeal.

    In the goy societies, in which we have planted and deeply rooted discord and Prostestantism, the only possbile way of restoring order is to employ meciless measures that prove the direct force of atuhority; no regard must be paid to the victims who fall, they suffer for the well-being of the futrue. The attainment of that well-being, even at the expense of sacrifices, is the duty of any kind of government that acknowledges as justification for its existence not only its privileges but its obligations. The principal guarqantee of stability of rule is to confirm the aureole of power, and this aureole is attained only by such a majestic inflexibility of might as shall carry on its face the emblems of inviolability from mystical casues–from the choice of God. Such was, until recent times, the Russian autocracy, the one and only serious foe we had in the world, without counting the Papacy. Bear in mind the example when Italy, drenched in blood, never touche a haiir of the head of Sulla who had poured forth that blood: Sulla enjoyed an apotheosis for his might in the eyes of the people, though thye had been torn to pieces by him, but his intrepid return to Italy ringed him round with inviolability. The people do not lay a finger on him who hypnotized them by his daring and strength of mind.

    Meantime, however, until we come into our kingdom, we hall act in the contrary way: we shll create and multiply free Masonic lodged in all the coutnries of the world, absorb into them all who may become or who are prominent in public activity, for in these lodges we shall find our principal intelligence office and means of influence. All these lodges we shall bring under one central administration, known to us alone and to all others absolutely unknown, which will be made of all stata of society. The most secret political plot will be known to us and will fall under our guiding hands on the very day of their conception. Among the members of thes lodges will be almost all the gents of international and national police since their service is for us irreplaceable in the respect that the police is in a position not only to use its own particular measures with the insubordinate, but also to screen our activities and provide pretexts for discontents, et cetera.

    The class of people who most willingly enter into secret societies are those wo live by their wits, careerists, and in general people, mostly light-minded, with whom we shall have no difficulty in dealing and in using to wind up the mechanis of the machine devised by us. If this world grows agitated the meaning of that will be that we have had to stir it up in order to brak up itrs too great solidarity. But if theere should arise in its midst a plot, then at the head of that plot will be no other than one of our most trusted servants. It is natural that we and no other should lead Masonic activities, for we know whither we are leading, we know the final goal of every form of activity whereas the goyim have knowledge of nothing, not even of the immediate effect of action; they put before themselves, usually, the momentary reckoning of the satisfaction of their selp-opinion in the accmplishment of their thought without even remarking that the very conception never belonged to their initiative but to our instigation of their thought . . .

    The goyim enter the lodges out of curiosity or in the hop by their means to get a nibble at the public pie, and some of them in order to obtain a hearing before the public for their impracticable and groundless fantasies; they thirst for the emotion of success and applause, of which we are remarkably generous. And the reason why we give them this success is to make use of the high conceit of themselves to which it gives birth,for that insensible disposes them to assimilate our suggestions without being on their guard against them in the fullness of their confidence tha it is their own infallibility which is giving utterance to their own thoughts and that it is impossible for them to borrow those of others . . . You cannot imagine to what extent the wises of th goyim of this condition of high conceit of themselves, and at the same time how easy it is to take the heart out of themby the slightes ill-success, though it be nothing more than the stoppage of the applause they had, and to reduce them to a slavish submissionfor the sake of winning a renewal of success . . . By so much as ours disregard success if only they carry through their plans, by so much the GOYIM are willing to sacrifice any plans only to have success. This psychology of theirs materially facilitates for us the task of setting them in the required direction. These tigers in appearance have the souls of sheep and the wind blows freely throgh their heads. We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of collectivism. . .They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflcet that this hobby-hors is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world–one unti unilike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting idividuality. . . .

    If we have been able to bring them to such a pitch of stupid blindness is it not proof, and amazingly clear proof, of the degree to which the mind of the goyim is underdeveloped in comparison with our mind? This it is, mainly, which guarantees our success.

    And how far-seeing were our leaned elders in ancient times when they said that to attain a serious endd it behooves not to stop at any means or to count the victims sacrificed for the sakd of that end. . .We have not counted the vicgtims of the seed of the goy cattle, though given them such a position on the earth as they coudl not even have dreamed of. The comparatively small number of th victims from the numbers of ours have preserved our nationality from destruction.

    (to be continued)

    Comment by Ron | June 17, 2010

  236. (Continuation of Protocol No. 15)

    Death is the inevitable end for all. It is better to bring that end nearer to those who hinder our affairs than to ourselves, to the founders of this affair. We execute masons in such wise that none save the brotherhood can ever have a suspicion of it, not even the victims themselves of our death sentence, they all die when required as if from a normal kind of illness. . . Knowing this, even the brotherhood is its turn dare not protest. By such methods we have plucked out of the midst of masonry the rool of protest agsinst our disposition. While preaching liberalism to the goyim, we at the same time keep our own people and our agents in a state of unquestioning submission.

    Under the influence the execution of the laws of the goyim has been reduced to a minimum. The prstige of the law hqs been exploded by the liberal interpretations intro-
    duced into this sphere. In the most important and fundamentr affairs and questions judge decide as we dictate to them, see matters in the light wherewith we enfold them for the administration of the goyim, of course, through persons who are our tools though we do not appear to have anything in common with them–by newspaper opinion or by other means . . .Even senators and the higher adminsitration accept our counsels. The purely brute mind of the goyim is incapable of use for analysis and oabservatiion, and still more for the foreseeing whither a certain manner of seting a question may tend.

    In this difference in capacity fo thought between the goyim and ourselves may be celarly discerned teh seal of our position on the Chosen People and of our higher quaillity of humanness, in contradistinction to the brute mind of the goyim. Their eyes are open, but see nothing before them and do not invent(unless, perhaps, material things). From this it is plain that natue herseld has destined us to guide and rule the world.

    When comes the time of our overt rule, the time to manifest its blessings, we shll remake all legislatures, all our laws will be brief, plain, stable, without any kind of interpretations, so that anyone will run right through themin submission to orders, and this principle will be carried to a grandiose height. Every abuse will trhen disappear in cnsequence of the responsibility of all donw to the lowest unit before the higher authority of the representative of power. Abuses of power subordinate to this last instance will be so mercilessly punished that none will be found anxious to try experiment with their own powers. We shall follow up jealously every action of the administration on which depends the smooth running of the machinery of the State, for slackness in this produces slackness everywhere, not a single case of illegality or abuse of power will be left withouth exemplary punishement.

    Concelament of guilt, connivance between those in the service of the administratin–all this kind of evil will disappear after the very first examples of severe punishment. The aureole of our power demnads sutiable, that is, cruel, punishments for the slightes infringements, for the sake of gain, of its supreme prestige.

    (to be continued)

    Comment by Ron | June 18, 2010

  237. Well it looks like Ron has given up on the topic of this page, the Koestler hypothesis and has decided to post any bit of total crap so long as it is anti Jewish.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 18, 2010

  238. The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

    And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

    You may wonder why this page is filled with a bunch of Jew haters spewing their guts out.

    Well I wonder why, – the Koestler hypothesis is proven wrong by real genetic scientists, and the Jew haters can’t stand this, so they are posting their diaries of hate.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 18, 2010

  239. First of all, this book and this website is not about DNA. DNA technology is still in its infancy, not definitve at all, just as speculative has the decades long theory that Pluto was a planet, which, of course, now has been debunked. So much for the absolutes of science, huh?

    (Continuation of Protocol No. 15)

    The sufferer , though his punishment may exceed his fault, will count as a soldier falling on the admnistrative field of battle in the interest of authority, principle and law, which do not permit that any of those who hold the reains of the public coach should turn aside from the public highway to their own private paths. For example: our judge will know that whenever they feel disposed to plume themselves on foolish clemency they are violating the law of justice which is intituted for the exemplary edification of menby penalties for lapses and not for display of the spirtiual qualities of the judge . . . Such qualities are proper to show in private life, but not in a public square which is the educationary basis of life.

    Our legal staff wil servce not beyond the age of 55, firstly becasue old men more obstinately hold to prejudiced opinions, and are far less capable of submitting to new directions, and second because this will give us the possibility by this measure of securing elasticity in the changing of staf, which will thusthe more easily bend undr our pressure; he who wishes to keep his place will have to give blind obedience to deserve it. In general, our judges will be elected by us only from among those who thorioughly undrstand that the part they have to play is to punish and apply laws and not to dream about the manifestations of liberalism at the expense of the educationary scheme of the State, as the goyim in these days imagine it to be . . . This method of shuffling the staff will serve also to explode any collecitve solidarity of those in the same service and will bind all to the intersts of the government upon which their fate will depand. The young generation of the judges will be trained in certain views regarding the inadmissibility of any abuses that might disturb the established order of our subjects among themselves.

    In these days the judges of the goyim create indulgence to every kind of crime, not having a just undrstanding of their office, because the rulers of the present agen in appointing judges to office take no care to inculcate them a sense of duty and consiousness of the matter which is demanded of them. As a brute beast lets out its young in search of prey, so do the goyim give their subject places of profit without thinking to make clear to them for what purpose such place was created. This is the reason why their governments are being ruined by their own forces through the acts of their own administration.

    Let us borrow from the example of the results of these actions yet another lesson for our government.

    We shall root out liberalism from all the important strategic posts of our government on which depends the training of subordinates for our State structure. Such post will fall exclusively to those who have been trained by us for administrative rule. To the possible objection that the retirement of old servants will cost the Treasury heavily, I reply, firstly, they will be provided with some private service in the place of what they lose, and, secondly, I have to remark that that ll the money in thw world will be concentrated in our hands, consequently, it is not our government that has to fear expense.

    Our absolutism will in all things be logically consecutive and therefore in each one of its decrees our suprem will be respected and unquestionably fulfilled: it will ignore all murmurs, all discontents of every kind and will destroy to the root every kind of manifestation of them in act by punishemnt of an exemplary character.

    We shall abolish the right of cassation, which will be transferred exclusively to our disposal–to the congnizance of him who rules, for we must not allow the conception among the people of a thought that there could be such a thing as a decision that is not right of the judges set up by us. If, however, anything like this should occur, we shall ourselves cassate the decision, but inflict therewith such exemplary punishment on the judge for lack of understanding of his duty and the purpose of his appointment as will preven a repetition of such cases . . . I repeat that it must be borne in mind that we shall know every step of our administratrion which only need s to be closely watched for the people to be content with us, for it has the right to demand from a good government a good official.

    Our government will have the appearance of a patriarchal paternal guadianship on the part of our ruler. Our own nation and our subject will discern in his person a father caring for their every need, their every act, their every inter-relation as subject one with another, as well as their relations to the ruler. They will then be so thoroughly imbued with the thought that it is impossible for them to dispense with this wrdhsip and guidance, if they wish to ieve in peace and quiet, that they will acknowledge the the autocracy of our ruler with a devotion bordering warship and guidance, if they wish to live in peace and quiet, that they will acknowledge the autocracy of our ruler with a devotion bordering on APOTHEOSIS, especially when they are convinced that those whom we set up do not put their own in place of his authority, but only blindly execute his dictates. They will be rejoiced that we have regulated everything in their lives as is done by wise parents who desire to train their children in the cause of duty and submission. for the peoles of the world in regard to the secrets of our polity are ever through the ages only children undr age, precisely as are alos their governments.

    As you see, I found our despotism on right and duty: the right to compel the execution of duty is the direct obligation of a government which is a father of its subjects. It has the right of the strong htat it may use if for the benefit of directing humanity towards that ordr which is defined by nature, namely, submission. Everything in thw world is in a state of submission, if not to man, then to circumstances or its own inner character, in all cases, to what is stronger. And so shall we be this something strongers for the sake of good.

    We are obliged without hesitation to sacrifice individuals, who commita breach of established order, for the exemplary punishment of evil lies a great educational problem.

    When the King of Israel set upon his sacred head the crown offered by him in consequence of their suitability will never reach the number of victims offered in the course of centuries by the mania of magnificence, the emulation between the goy goverments.

    Our King wil be in constant communion with his peoples, making to them from the tribune speeches which fasme will in that same hour distribute over all the world.

    PROTCOL NO. 16

    In order to effect the destruction of all collective forces except ours we shall emasculate the first stage of collectivism–the universities, by re-educating them in a new direction. Their officials and professors will be prepared for their business by detailed secret programmes of action from which they will not with immunity diverge, not by one iota. They will be appointed with especial precaution, and will be so placed as to be wholly dependent upon the Government.

    We shall exclude from the course of instruction State Law as also that concerns the political question. These subjects will be taught to a few dozesns of persons chosen for their pre-eminent capacities from among the number of the initiated. The universities must no longer send out from their halls milksop concocting plans for a constitution, like a comedy or a tragedy, busying themselves with questions of policy in which even their own fathers never had any power of thought.

    The ill-guided acquaintance of a large numbe of persons with questions of polity creates utopian dreamers and bad subjects, as you can see for yourselves from the example of the universal education in this direction of the goyim. We msut introduce into their education all thos principles which have so brilliantly broken up their order. But when we are in power we shall make out of the youd obedient children of authority, loving him who rules as the support and hope of peace and quiet.

    Classicism, as also any form of study of ancient history, in which there are more bad than good examples, we shall replace with the study of the programme of the future. We shall erase from the memory of men all facts of previous centuries whcih are undesirable to us, and leave only those which depict all errors of government of the goyim. The study of practical life, of the obligations of order, of the relations to people one to another, of avoidingbad and selfish examples, which spread the infection of evil, and similar questions of an educative natue, will stand in the forefront of the teachng or state of life, in no wise generalizing the teaching. This treatment of the question has special importance.

    Each state of life must be trained within strict limits corresponding to its destination and work in life. The occasional genius has always managed and always will manage to slip through into other state of life, but is the most perfect folly for the sake of this rare occasional genius to let through inot ranks foreign to them the untalented who thus rob of their places those who belong to those ranks by birth or employment. You know yourselves in what all this has ended for the GOYIM who allowd this crying absurdity.

    In order that he who rules may be seated firmly in the hearts and minds of his subjects it is necessary for the time of his activity to instruct the whole nation in the schools and on the market places about his meaning and his acts and all his beneficent initiatives.

    We shall abolish every kind of freedom of instruction. Learners of all ages will have the right to assemble together with their parents in the educational establishements as it were in a club: during these assemblies, on holidays, teachers will read what will pass as free lectures onquestins of human relations, of the laws of examples, of the limitations which are born of unconscious relations, and, finally, of the philosophy of new theories not yet declared to the world. These theories will be raised by us to the stage of a dogma of faith. On the completion of this exposition of our programme of action in the present and the future I will read you the principles of these theories.

    In a word, knowing by the experience of many centuries that people live and are guided by ideas, that thes ideas are imbibed by people only by the aid of educatin provided with equal success for all ages of growth, but of course by varying methods, we shall swallow up and confiscate to our own use the last scintilla of independence of thought, which we have for long past been directing toward subjects and ides useful to us. The system of bridling thought is already at work in the so-called system of teaching by object lessons, the purpose of which is to turn the goyim inot unthinking submissive brutes waiting for things to be presented before their eyes in ordr to form an ideas of them . . . In France one of our best aqents, Bourgeois, has already made public a new programme of teaching by object lessons.

    Comment by Ron | June 19, 2010

  240. re: Ron’s demented view of science, Jewish people, and check out the title of this page.

    To quote Ron above;

    “First of all, this book and this website is not about DNA. DNA technology is still in its infancy, not definitve at all, just as speculative has the decades long theory that Pluto was a planet, which, of course, now has been debunked. So much for the absolutes of science, huh?”

    Wrong.

    The title of this page;

    Khazar Empire, Illuminati and New World Order

    And this comes from the Koestler book about “The Thirteenth Tribe”, and Koestler’s thesis that most modern Jewish populations descend from converts to Judaism of the middle ages, who lived in the middle ages kingdom of Khazaria.

    Some people like Ron are so ignorant and bigoted that they refuse to admit that science could be right if science finds that one of their bigoted opinions is wrong; they just can’t deal with reality, and therefore they attempt to call into question all of science.

    And you can see that for yourself on this page.

    Ron can not deal with the reality of modern genetics which proves the Koestler hypothesis is wrong, so he (stupidly) attempts to call all of science into question.

    And failing to prove his view of the Koestler hypothesis, Ron spends all of his posts on attempting to defame Jewish people with every bit of internet garbage he can find.

    This is clearly ignorant, bigoted, stupid and it impeaches everything Ron has to say to everyone except another ignorant racist bigot like Ron.

    I consider Ron to be the perfect example of a weak minded bigot who has bought into every piece of anti Jewish hate mongering nonsense that has made its way onto the internet.

    I urge everyone to go back over this page and re-read several times if necessary everything that Ron has posted and ask your self;

    1) Are these the views of a man with an contemporary, modern education? [No]

    2) Is this individual even mentally capable of absorbing and understanding simple scientific concepts even a high schooler could comprehend? [Definitely not]

    3) Does this fellow even operate with a sane world view, or is he some sort of compulsive religious nut job driven by idiosyncratic pseudo-religious mumbo-jumbo he has fixated on and compulsively repeats over and over, and over and over, and over and over, again? [No, he is a obsessive compulsive, fixated Jew hater]

    4) Is this fellow capable of discerning between total trash and fiction that gets posted on the internet, verses real science, sociology, history? [No he can't tell fact from fiction, in any field, science or religion.]

    I think his posts prove exactly the answer to these questions, without a doubt. [Yes, they do.]
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    And BTW, back to the topic.

    The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

    And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 19, 2010

  241. PROTOCOL NO. 17

    The practice of advocacy produces men cold, cruel, persistent, unpriniciples , who in all cases take up an impersonal, purely legal standpoint. They have the inveterate habit to refer everything to its values for the defense and not to the public welfare of its results. They do not usually declien to undertake any defense whatever, they strive for an acquittal at all costs, caviling over every petty crux of jurisprudence and thereby they demoralize justice. For this reason we shall set this profession into narrow frames which will kep it inside this sphere of executive public service. Advocates, equally with judges, will be deprived of the right of communication with litigants; they will receive business only from the court and will study it by notes of report and documents, defending their clients after they have appeared. They will receive an honorarium without regart to the quality of the defense. This will render them mere reporters on law-business in the interests of justice and as counterpose to the proctor who will be the reporter in the interests of prosecution; this will shorten business befoe the courts. IN this way will be established a practice of honest unprejudiced defense, conducted not from personal interest but by conviction. This will also, by the way, remove the present practice of corrupt bargian between the advocates to agree only to let that side win which pays mosts . . .

    We have long past taken care to discredit the priesthood of the GOYIM, and thereby to ruin their mission one earth which in these days might still be a great hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the peoples of the world is falling lower. Freedom of conscience has been declared everywhere, so that now only years divide us from the moment of the complet wrecking of that Christian religion: as to other religions we shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature to speak of this now. We shall set clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive proportion to its former progress.

    When the time comes finally to destroy the papal court the finger of an invisible hand will point the nations towards this court. When, however, the nations fling themselves upon it, we shall come forward in the guise of its defenders as if to save excessive bloodshed. By this diversion we shall penetrate to its very bowels and be sure we shall never come out again until we have gnawed through the entire strength of this place.

    The King of the Jews will be the real Pope of the Universe, the patriarch of an International Church.

    But, in the meantime, while we are re-educating youth in the new traditional religions and afterward in ours, we shall not overly lay a finger on existing churches but we shall fight against them by criticism calculated to produce schism . . .

    In genereral, then, our contemporary press will constinue to convict State affairs, religions, incapacities of the goyim, always using the most unprincipled expressions in order by every means to lower their prestige in the manner which can only be practices by the genius of our gifted tribe . . .

    Our kingdom will be an apologia of the divinty Vishnu, in whom is found personification–in our hundred hands will be , one in each, the springs of the machinery of social life. We shall see everything without the aid of official police which, in that scope of its rights which we elaborated for the use of the goyim, hinders governments from from seeing. In our programme one-third of our subjects will keep the rest under observation from a sense of duty, on the principle of volunteer service to the State. It will then be no disgrace to be a spy and informer, but a merit: unfounded denunciations, however, will be cruelly punished that there may be no development of abuses of this right.

    Our agents will be taken from the higher as well as the lower ranks of society, from among the adminstrative class who spend their time in amusements, editors, printers and publishers, booksellers, clerks, and aslesmen, workmen, coachmen, lackeys, et cetera. This body, having no rights and not being empowered to take any action on their own account, and consequently a police without any power, will only witness and report: verification of their reporst and arrests will depend upon a responsible group of controller of police affairs, while the actual arrest will be performed by the gendarmerie and the municipal police. Any person not denouncing anything seenor heard concerning questions of polity will also be charged with and made responsible for concealment, if it be proved that he guilty of this crime.

    Just as nowadays our bretheren ar obliged at their own rist to denoucne to the kabal apostates of their own family or members who have been notice doing anything in opposition to the kabal, so in our kingdom over all the world it will be obligatory for all our subject sot observe the duty of service to the State in this direction.

    Such an orgnisatin will extirpate abuses of authority,
    of force, of bribery, everything in fact which we by our counsels, by our theories of the superhuman rights of man, have introduced into the customs of the goyim . . . But how else were we to procure that increase of causes predisposing to disorders in the midst of their adminstration? . . . Among the number of those methods one of the most important is–agents for the restoration of order, so placed as to have the opportunity in thier disintegrating activity of developing and displaying their evil inclinations–obstinate, self-conceit, irresponsible exercise of authority, and first and foremost venality.

    (to be continued, with Protocol NO.19)

    Comment by Ron | June 21, 2010

    • Yep, Ron have given up trying to prove the Koestler hypothesis is true and has given in to his desire to smear Jewish people with lies, such as this bogus Protocols of Zion crap.

      Of course, since proof of the Koestler hypothesis requires a capacity to learn and apply scientific concepts, this unfortunately is beyond Ron’s capacity.

      But Ron does have the capacity to hate and blame and to believe in non-sense, so he has no other choice it seems but to focus on his bigoted views.

      We can not ever expect Ron to rise about this bigotry because his ‘mind’ and ‘heart’ are prisoners of his diminished capacity.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 21, 2010

  242. Here are some words of advice about education and character from EDWARD LEEDSKALNIN, written in 1936.
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    Now I will tell you what education is according to my reasoning. An educated person is one whose senses are refined. We are born as brutes, we remain and die as the
    same if we do not become polished. Some are too coarse to take it.

    The main base of education is one’s “self-respect”. Any one lacking self-respect cannot be educated. The main bases of self-respect is the willingness to learn, to do only the things that are good and right, to believe only in the things that can be proved, to possess appreciation and self control.

    Now, if you lack willingness to learn, you will remain as a brute and if you do things that are not good and right, you will be a low person, and if you believe in things that cannot be proved, any feeble minded person can lead you, and if you lack appreciation, it takes away the incentive for good doing and if you lack self control you will never know the limit.

    So all those lacking these characteristics in their makeup are not educated.
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    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 21, 2010

  243. An example of how the weak minded, like Ron are mislead.

    Here is a compilation of how many weak minded people have been mislead by believing in apocalyptic end times religious scenarios, as presented in the ‘Book of Revelation’.

    Table of failed predictions based on the Book of Revelation

    http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/y2k/ccon.htm

    Christian Confusion On End-Times Nonsense

    Christianity has never been immune from error in apocalyptic teachings that have continually led Christians astray. These errors of understanding have continually made a fool of Christian expectations, especially in this century. These errors have become so rooted into much Christian thinking on the End Time as to constitute an effective delusion in the church that undermines the credibility of real biblical Christianity before the world! Like it or not, the Second coming was a failed first century prophecy and just wont happen. With the events of September 11 the craze is on again. Will they continue to turn Jesus into a joke?

    Note: There is some confusion of events starting around 1800. The Western World was deluged with pseudo-science, Eastern religion, prophecy, faith healing, speaking in tongues, and all kinds of other occult nonsense became a craze. The most lasting effects was the creation of scores of new cults, pseudo-Christian cults, New Age cults, and all types of apocalypse nonsense which had invaded many older Protestant denominations. Most of what makes up the religious right and New Age religion today (including Satanism cults) originated in the 19th century.

    Below are more places to look into this. All of these kooks from 1800-1900 copied and stole from each other; you the reader can sort it out.

    A Chronology of Confusion

    Comments and additions from Mark
    The Adventists Churches and the End-Times
    Armageddon and All That Jazz
    Pastors Play Down End-Times Speculation
    Christian Confusion and the End-Times
    Charles Nelson Darby and the End-Times
    Y2K:
    Doomsday Prophecy For Environmentalists
    Terror attacks fueling end-time theologies
    Christian Confusion On End-Times Nonsense
    220 Dates for the End of the world!!! Date Setters!
    Jews speak on y2k hype
    Sullivan County emergency crews will be ready to roll in case of Y2K problems
    Survey suggests teens not worried about Y2K
    220 more examples of prophecy.

    1654
    Archbishop Ussher of Armagh fixes the date of Creation as 4004 BC (26th October at 9 AM), and the End as 1997 AD (6000 AM of the Great Week) when the Millennium begins. He claimed to know when the earth was created (4004 BC) and is still quoted by fundamentalists today.

    1774 Ann Lee (tongues-speaking Quaker) founds the United Society of Believers in Christ’s Second Appearing (Shakers) as the Millennial church in America (promoting celibacy). She declares herself to be the reincarnation of Christ and female aspect of God’s dual nature. The Shakers win the admiration of many for their inventiveness (the circular saw, screw propeller, rotary harrow, etc.), model farms and their orderly prosperous communities.
    1800 The Millennium does not arrive. New prophecy nuts come out in droves.
    1802
    Prophetess Joanna Southcott in England begins ‘sealing’ the ’144 000′ elect for the End. Her thousands of followers include some Anglican clergy.

    1825
    Britain’s Rev Edward Irving predicts that Christ will return in 1864 (the Irvingites are the origin of the Catholic Apostolic Church, and today’s New Apostolic Church. The Old Apostolic Church is a South African break-away from this group).
    1826
    Edward Irving begins his “school of the prophets” focusing on end time issues.

    1829-1833
    Edward Irving, Henry Drummond, and John Nelson Darby develop the ‘pre-Tribulation Rapture’ theory of Christ’s Return. Darby (Plymouth Brethren) promotes the idea as part of a dispensational division of history. Through the Bible notes of a lawyer, C.I. Scofield, the Irving-Drummond-Darby ‘pre-Tribulation Rapture’ theory spreads among Christians to become the dominant End Time view in Christian circles in the 20th century.

    1832
    Latter Day Saints (Mormonism) founder, Joseph Smith of America, says:
    “I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following: Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.” (Doctrine & Covenants 130:14-15).
    Joseph Smith declared: “I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written–the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-five years old.” (History of the Church, Vol.5, pp.336-37).

    1844
    Joseph Smith dies without seeing the Lord’s Return or his 85th birthday.
    March 21st : William Miller, encouraged by some clergy, calculates this date as Christ’s Return. It fails and is recalculated as –
    October 22nd: The Return of Christ predicted by Miller’s Adventists (numbering about 100 000) fails again.

    1845
    The ‘Seventh-day’ Adventist movement, helped by Mrs Ellen G White as prophetess, develops the doctrine of the ‘mark of the Beast’ as Sunday-worship by a papal Antichrist in explanation of Christ’s so-called ‘delayed’ Return.

    1864
    Rev. Edward Irving’s predicted Return of Christ fails. (See 1825).

    1888 In France, General Boulanger is denounced by an un-named prophet from England as the Antichrist, claiming that his name in Greek has the numeric value of 666, and pedicts that Christ will return at 3 PM on March 5 that year.
    1889
    Rev. Michael Baxter, editor of the Christian Herald, announces in his book The End of This Age about the End of This Century that 1896 would witness the Rapture of 144 000 devout Christians, and that the world would end in 1901.

    1896
    Baxter’s Rapture does not happen. (See 1889).

    1901 Baxter’s Millennium does not come. (See 1889).
    1914
    Jehovah’s Witnesses’ predicted return of Christ fails, but they now change their teaching to an invisible Coming known only to true believers.

    1917
    May 13th: Three small children claim to have seen the Virgin Mary standing in an oak tree. On the 13th of each subsequent month until October crowds gather to see the vision but only the children claim to see her. They also claim that three prophecies are given, two revealed and a third kept secret in the Vatican. (See May 13, 2000).
    1959 April 22nd: hundreds of ‘Davidians’ (a break-away Seventh-day Adventist sect) at their 77 acre compound at Waco, Texas, await the Return of Christ, watched by a large crowd and the media. The expectation is broadcast across the United States – and fails. (See 1993, February 28th).
    1965
    July: self-styled prophet, William Branham, declares in response to California earthquake: “The Scripture reader or even a–a believer knows that we are now at the end of the history of the world. There will be no use of writing it, because there won’t be anybody to read it. It’s at the end of the time. …”
    1973
    This idiot is still at it!

    Hal Lindsey publishes in his best-selling book ‘Late Great Planet Earth’ that there will be only one generation between Israel’s new statehood and the End Time. Although he does not state the date he provides many of the arguments upon which the date 1988 is based.
    April: Rev. David Wilkerson claims a supernatural vision of imminent world-wide disaster of unprecedented proportions, economic collapse, famine, earthquakes, etc., in ‘this generation’, leading to Christ’s sudden evacuation of Christians and the rise of Antichrist. ‘More than one-third of the United States will be designated a disaster area within the next few years’.
    Roman Catholic Sister Agnes Katsuko at Akito, Japan, receives a message from the Virgin Mary, saying ‘Father God will inflict a punishment greater than the Deluge … Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, sparing neither priests nor the faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead.’ In anticipation of the year 2000. (TW Petrisko, Call of the Ages, Queenship, 1995, p.xxi)

    1978 November 18th: ‘Disciple’s of Christ’ church, ‘Peoples Temple’, Jonestown, Guyana, conducts a mass suicide of its 900 members (one third were under 18 years and so some probably murdered) because of a Federal investigation (they practised suicide procedures several times over the years as a sign of loyalty to the church). Pastor Jim Jones had warned his followers that a disastrous period of fascism, race war, and nuclear holocaust was coming. In the year of the suicide ‘Peoples Temple’ was the highest contributing church to their denomination.
    1980s Edgar Whisenant (former NASA engineer) publishes his book, 88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988.
    Hal Lindsey (of ‘The Late Great Planet Earth’) writes concerning the so-called ‘Jupiter Effect’ – ‘what we can expect in 1982 is the largest outbreak of killer quakes ever seen in the history of planet earth along with radical changes in climate’.
    1982
    Hal Lindsey’s ‘Jupiter Effect’ prediction fails. Should have seen Pat Robertson quoting this nut on TV!

    1988 Charles Taylor, American prophecy teacher, advertises a Holy Land tour with the incentive that by staying in a hotel on the Mount of Olives, ‘if this is the year of our Lord’s return, as we anticipate, you may even ascend to Glory from within a few feet of His ascension.’
    September 11/12 is expected as the date of the Rapture by Trinity Broadcasting Network, who cancel their regular programs and run videotapes instructing non-believers what to do if their families suddenly shoot up into the sky.
    September 29/30 is published by Hart Armstrong (chairman of ‘Christian Communications’) as a Rapture Alert date in his publications.
    October: Return of Christ as predicted by many Christian evangelicals fails (40 years (a ‘generation’) + 1948 (Israel’s statehood) = 1988).
    Christian evangelist George Curle predicts God’s judgement on Antichrist in 1999, the Tribulation in 2002, and Christ’s Return and the millennium of Israel in 2005: ‘the third Exodus for Israel and believing Gentiles will be accomplished in 2005 AD’.
    1991 Cape Town’s Rev. J.S. Malan predicts the beginning of the great Tribulation ‘op die laaste’ by September 1995 and Christ’s Return by 2002.
    1992 The Tami Church based in Seoul, South Korea, under pastor Lee Jang Rim, distributes the visions and prophecies of it’s world-wide membership indicating the Rapture will happen 28th October 1992. (the Millennium will begin 7 years later in 2000 AD).
    October 28th: 20 000 members of the ‘Mission for the Coming Days’ (Tami Church), spend the afternoon waiting for the Rapture, resulting in great public humiliation to Christians and the amusement of the world.
    1993 February 28th: Four American Federal Agents investigating illegal weapons are killed, 16 wounded, by ‘Davidians’ at Waco, Texas, thus initiating a siege of the premises (see 1959). The Davidians believe they are living in the days of the book of Revelation.
    March 11th: President Clinton is appealed to jointly by Revd’s Dunn (Baptist Joint Committee) and Kelley (National Council of Churches) to urgently demilitarized the Waco siege, as the ‘Davidian’ apocalyptic mentality would see it as ‘validation of their fondest prophecies … Whether it explodes or implodes, the result will be tragic for all’.
    April 19th: 6.00 AM Tear gassing of the Waco compound begins. Davidians fire at Federal Agents.
    12.05 PM The Waco Davidian compound bursts into flame accompanied by explosions and gunfire. 74 Davidians are found dead, including 21 children (10 under five years old).
    1995 Roman Catholic newspaper ‘Queen of Peace’ (Pittsburgh Centre for Peace, Spring, 1995) announces concerning the nearing third millennium, ‘The time has arrived’ … the long awaited ‘Era of Peace’ predicted at Fatima in 1917 is said to be about to occur. … The Virgin’s words indicate the face of the earth will be transformed. Like the ancient cities of Sodom or Gomorrah, some nations will even vanish. Others, like Russia, are promised to blossom with new splendour. Peace will rule and the Church will reign, Evil will be paralysed, and like an old well, it will dry up and almost vanish from the face of the earth.’
    September: Rev. Malan’s predicted start of the Tribulation and world rule of Anti-Christ fails (see 1991).
    1997 Marilyn J. Agee, with much Christian support, publishes her so-called Bible-based predictions, as:
    1998 ‘most likely May’ Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Bride of Christ
    2007 September 12 The end of this Age (Elul 29, 5767)
    September 13 The 2300th day of the Shortened Tribulation, Pre-Wrath Rapture of Tribulation Saints
    All Israel born-again in a day (who will live on into the Millennium) (Tishri 1, 5768).
    2008 April 6: the Return of our Lord Jesus Christ with His saints, first day of Jewish Regnal Year (Nisan 1, 5768).
    2008 May 30: Armageddon lasts 40 days and 40 nights, ends Friday (Iyar 25, 5768).
    2008 May 31: true world peace, the Millennium, begins (Iyar 26, 5768).
    November 6: Archbishop Ussher’s prediction fails (see 1654).
    But, Dr James McKeever (editor of the End Times News Digest) declares that the 6000 years of the Great Week could end ‘sometime between now and the year 2030′.
    1998 May: Marilyn Agee’s prediction of the Rapture of Christians fails!
    August 16: Samuel Doctorian announces to Christians at a Prayer Retreat on Patmos an encounter he had with the “five angels of the five continents” in his room on the island at 3:50 AM on Saturday June 20 1998 who revealed to him a program of world destruction starting immediately, during which the Christian church will be preserved. Financial crisis, nuclear holocaust, earthquakes over Asia killing millions, Australia will split and “a great part will go under the ocean”. Nuclear weapons used in general war throughout the whole Middle East (which he describes as a continent) causes huge loss of life. In Europe earthquakes and flooding, “millions drown”, Eiffel tower collapses, a “great part of Germany destroyed”, etc. In Africa, from Cape to Cairo, earthquakes to change river flow and drown many. “There shall be a trembling of the earth like has not been seen since the creation. None shall escape the sword of the Lord”. Millions die. “The final day has come. Judgement day is here.” In the Americas millions die, the Atlantic and the Pacific join together, “the Amazon river turning into a great sea”. “The angel said, ‘It is our message. You are the instrument, the channel. What a privilege that God has chosen you to give this message to the nations.’ I said, ‘Lord, Thy will be done’.”
    What a pity that this ultimate message was entrusted to someone with such limited communication skills, so that it was only announced 57 days later (more than eight weeks!). It could have helped many Christian pensioners to avoid loosing their life savings in the slide of many stock markets following the East Asian financial crisis of this year. Amazing!
    September 20: Robert Blake ‘This could see the start of the Final War, Armageddon, followed by the establishment of the Millennium in the year 2000.’
    1999 January 4th, The Interior Ministry of Israel orders the deportation of 11 members of an apocalyptic Christian cult under suspicion that they were planning to commit violent acts in Jerusalem at the close of 1999, Israel Radio, ‘Kol Yisrael’, reports. Three additional cult members will remain in Israel for questioning. The ‘Jerusalem Post’ reports that the Denver-based apocalyptic cult intended to provoke a shoot-out by opening fire on policemen, an act they believed would hasten the second coming of JESUS. A police statement said that “The arrests were carried out to protect certain sectors of the Israeli population and members of the cult themselves, who blindly follow” a leader who is now overseas. According to Israeli authorities, the leader, identified as Monte Kim Miller, has claimed that he is one of the final ‘two witnesses’ prophesied in the New Testament in Chapter 11 of the Book of Revelation, and is said to have told his followers that he would die in Jerusalem in December 1999 and be resurrected three days later.
    July-August: A note on Nostradamus (Michel de Notredame)
    Recent publications of Nostradamus’ ‘prophecies’ as applied to whatever is the current public concern are largely inventions of the various commentators/publishers and bear little relation to his 1555 and 1558 Centuries. (The title ‘Centuries’ merely refers to the grouping of his rhyming quatrains and has no reference to time).
    Evangelist Curle’s predictions begin to fail. (see 1988).
    July 7: Eileen Lakes – The pole-shift in July 1999 will immerse the world in the Water Baptism.(?) At 7 am GMT, according to Eileen, the world will turn 90 degrees to the right ‘very instantly’. Perhaps her own surname inspired her.
    August 24: Adrian Gilbert’s astrological calculation of the End fails.
    September 27: H.J. Hoekstra – The date of the Rapture! – Really?
    ‘Rosh Hashanah’ – Jack Van Impe’s date “…when this generation that lives to see ‘all these things’ comes to a glorious conclusion.” Van Impe then, in an attempt to avoid justified criticism, says “We’re not setting dates” (although it has the same effect), “but one has to admit – it’s interesting!” (Playing with words, Dr Jack, does not excuse misleading God’s people). (See 2001).
    2000
    April, Friday 17, Uganda: Leaders of a dissident Catholic apocalyptic sect (‘Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God’) burn 470 followers to death. The subsequent investigation exposes several mass murders by the sect’s priests, bring the total victims to above 900, and indicating that financial gain by the priests may have been the motive.
    May: Astrologists’ predicted apocalyptic disasters arising from a so-called “alignment” of the planets does not happen.
    Saturday 13, Rome: The Papacy announces the content of the third and secret ‘prophecy’ of Fatima, being one of danger to the pope amidst a field of corpses. (see 1917).
    September 6: Daniel Adam Millar – The peace accord between Israel and Palestine on September 13, 1993 marked the beginning of the seven-year tribulation. On September 6, 2000, the Antichrist will proclaim himself God, and begin the battle of Armageddon. (This Tribulation really needs to be renamed!).
    September 13: The House of Yahweh – The last seven years of human history began on September 13, 1993. Presumably, the final war will then begin sometime about September 13, 2000. (ditto).
    Another widely predicted Return of Christ fails (Sir Isaac Newton, et al).
    2001
    Jack Van Impe – This year will see the start of the Great Tribulation. Political chaos, natural disasters, nuclear war and the world-wide rise of Islam will usher in mankind’s final hour. (Apart from nuclear war, what’s new?). This is about as accurate as his Rosh Hashanah 1999 speculation!
    2002 Rev. Malan’s predicted Return of Christ is to fail. (see 1991).
    2007 Another predicted Return of Christ is to fail. (Based on the 40 years, a supposed ‘generation’, after the ‘Six Day War’ of 1967 which brought the ancient Temple site under Israeli political control).
    2013
    An asteroid larger than Jupiter will strike the earth. (If its an “asteroid” its in our solar system. If its as large as Jupiter how-come its invisible?). And so on …
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    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 21, 2010

  244. Here is the caliber of non-sense and lies ‘people’ like Ron would have you believe;

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 21, 2010

  245. Yep, Ron have given up trying to prove the Koestler hypothesis is true and has given in to his desire to smear Jewish people with lies, such as this bogus Protocols of Zion crap.

    Of course, since proof of the Koestler hypothesis requires a capacity to learn and apply scientific concepts, this unfortunately is beyond Ron’s capacity.

    But Ron does have the capacity to hate and blame and to believe in non-sense, so he has no other choice it seems but to focus on his bigoted views.

    We can not ever expect Ron to rise about this bigotry because his ‘mind’ and ‘heart’ are prisoners of his diminished capacity.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 21, 2010

  246. Here are some words of advice about education and character from EDWARD LEEDSKALNIN, written in 1936.
    _____________

    Now I will tell you what education is according to my reasoning. An educated person is one whose senses are refined. We are born as brutes, we remain and die as the same if we do not become polished. Some are too coarse to take it.

    The main base of education is one’s “self-respect”. Any one lacking self-respect cannot be educated. The main bases of self-respect is the willingness to learn, to do only the things that are good and right, to believe only in the things that can be proved, to possess appreciation and self control.

    Now, if you lack willingness to learn, you will remain as a brute and if you do things that are not good and right, you will be a low person, and if you believe in things that cannot be proved, any feeble minded person can lead you, and if you lack appreciation, it takes away the incentive for good doing and if you lack self control you will never know the limit.

    So all those lacking these characteristics in their makeup are not educated.
    _____

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 21, 2010

  247. PROTOCOL NO. 18

    When it becomes necessary for us to strengthen the strict measures of secret defence (the most fatal poison for the prestige of authority) we shall arrange a simulation of disorders of some manifestation of discontents finding expression through the co-operation of good speakers. Round these speakers will assembe all who are sympathetic to his utterances. This will give us the pretext for domicillary perquisitions and surveiillance on the part of our servants from among th number of the goyim police . . .

    As the majority of conspirators act out of love for th game, for the sake of of talking, so, until they commit some overt act we shall not lay finger on them but only introduce into their midst observation elements . . .It must be remembered that the prestige of authority is lessened if it frequently discover conspiracies against itself : this implies a presumption of consciousness of weakness, or, what is still worse, of injustice. You are aware that we have broken the prestige of the goy kings by frequent atetmpts upon their lives through our agents, blind sheep of our flock, who are easily moved by a few liberal phrases to crimes provided only they be painted in political collors. We have compelled the rulers to acknowledge theiir weakness in advertising overt measure of secret defense and thereby we shall bring the promise of authority to destruction.

    Our ruler will be secretly protected only by the most insignificant guard, because we shall not admit so much as a thought that there could exist against him any sedition with which he is not strong enough to contend and is compelled to hide from it.

    If we should admit this thought, as the goyim have done and are doing, we should ipso facto be signing a death sentence, if not for our ruler, at any rate for his dynasty, at no distant date.

    According to strictly enforced outaward appearances our ruler will employhis power only for the advantage of the nation and in no wise for his own or dynastic profits. Therefore, with the observance of this decorum, his authority will be respected and guarded by the subjects themselves, it will recieve an apotheosis in the admission that with it is bound up the well-being of every citizen of the Stae, for upon it will depend all order in the common life of the pack . . .

    Over defense of the king argues weakness in the organization of his strength.

    Our ruler will always among the people be surrounded by a mob of apparently curious men and women, who will occupy the front ranks about him, to all appearance by chance, and will restrain the ranks of the rest out of respect as it will appear for good order. This wil sow an example of restraint also in others. If a petitioner appears among the people trying to hand a petition and forcing his way through the ranks, the first ranks must receive the petition and before the eyes of the petitioner pass it to the ruler, so that all may know that what is handed in, reaches its destination, that consequently, requires for its existence that the people may be able to say: “if the king knew of this,” or: “the king will hear of it.”

    With the establishment of official secret defese the mystical prestige of authority disappears: given a certain audacity, and everyone counts himself master of it, the sedition-monger is conscious of his strength, and when occasion serve watches for the moment to make an attempt upon authority . . . For the goyim we have been preaching something else, but by that very fact we are enabled to see what measures of overt defense have brought to them to . . .

    Criminals with us will be arrested at the first more or less well-grounded suspicion; it cannot be allowed that our of fear of a possible mistake an opportunity should be given of escape to persons suspected of a political lapse or crime, for in these matters we shall be literally merciless. If this is still possible, by stretching a point, to admit a reconsideration of the motive causes in simple crimes, there is no possibility of excuse for persons occupying themselves with questions in which nobody except the government can understand anything . . . And it is not all governments that understand true policy . . .

    Comment by Ron | June 22, 2010

  248. PROTOCOL NO. 19

    If we do not permit any independent dabbling in the political we shall on the ohter hand encourage every kind of reprort or petition with proposals for the goverment to examine into all kinds of projects for the amelioration of the condition of the people; this will reveal to us the defects of else the fantasies of our subjects, to which we shall respond either by accomplishing them or by a wise rebuttal to prove the short-sightedness of one who jduges wrongly.

    Sedition-mongering is nothig more than the yapping foa lapdog, at an elephont. For a government well-organized, not from the police but from the publich point of view, the lap-dog yaps at the elephant in entire uncoucsouosness of its strength and importance. It needs no more than to take a good example to show the relative importance of both and the lap-dogs will cease to yap and will wag their tails the moment they set eyes on the elephant.

    In order to destroy the prestige of heroism for politcl crime we shall send it for triel in the category of thieving, murder, and every kind of abominable and filthy crime. Public opinion will then confuse its conception this category of crime with the disgrace attaching to evry other and will brand it with the same contempt.

    We have done our best, and I hope we have succeeded, to obtain that the goyim shoud not arrive at this means of contending with sedition. It was for this reason that through the press and in speeches, indirectly–in cleverly compiled schoolbooks on history, we have advertised the martyrdom alleged to have been accepted by sedition-mongers for the ideas of the commonweal. This advertisement has increased the contingent of liberal and has broght thousands of the goyim into the ranks of our livestock cattle.

    PROTOCOL NO.20

    To-day we shll touch upon the financial program, which I put off to the end of my report as being the most difficult, the crowning and the decisive point to our plans. Before entering upon it I will remind you that i have already spoken before by way of a hint when I said that the sum total of our actions is settled by th question of figures.

    When we come into our kingdom our autocratic government will avoid, from a principle of self-preservation, sensibly burdening the masses of the people with taxes, remembering that it plays the part of father and protector. But as State organization costs dear it is necessary nevertheless to obtain the funds required for it.

    (to be continued)

    Comment by Ron | June 22, 2010

  249. (Continuation of Protocol No. 20)

    It will, therefore, elaborate with particula precaution the question of equilibrium in this matter.

    Our rule, in which the king will enjoy the legal fiction that everthing in his State belongs to him (which may easily be translated into fact), wil be enabled to resort to t he lawful confiscation of all sums of every kind for the regulation of their circulation in the State. From this folows that taxation will best be covered by a progressive tax on property. In this manner the dues will paid without straitening or ruining any body in the form of a percentage of the amount of property. Ths rich must be aware that it is their duty to place a part of their superfluities at the disposal of the State since the State guarantees them security of possession of the rest of their property and the right of honest gains, I say honset, for the control over property will do way with robbery on a legal basis.

    This social reform must come from above, for the time is ripe for it– it is indispensable as pledge of peace.

    The tax upon the poor man is a seed of revolution and works to the detriment of the State which in hunting after the trifling in missing the big. Quite apart from this, a tax on capitalists diminishes the growth of wealth in private hands in which we have in these days concentrated it as a counterpose to the government strength of the goyim–their State finances.

    A tax increasing in a pecentage ratio to captial will give a much larger revenue than the present individual or property tax,, which is useful to us now for the sole reason that it excites trouble and discontent among the goyim.

    The force upon which our king will rest consists in the equilibrium and the guarantee of peace , for the sake of which things it is indispensable that the capitalists should yield up a portion of their incomes for the sake of the secure working of the machinery of the State. State needs must be paid by those who will not feel the burden and have enought to take from.

    Such a measure will destroy the hatred of the poor man for the rich, in whom he will see a necessary financial support fo the State, will se in him the organise or peace and well-being since he will see that it is the rich man who is paying the necessary means to attain these things.

    In order that payers of the educated classes should not too much distress themselves over the new payments, with the exception of such sums as will be appropriated for the needs of the throne and the administrative institutions.

    He who reigns will not have any properties of his own once all in the State repesents his patrimoney, or else the one would be in contradiction to the other; the fact of holding private means would destroy the right of peroperty in the common possessions of all.

    Relatives of him who reigns, his heirs excepted, who will be maintained by the resources of the State, must enter the ranks of servants of the Sate or must work to obtain the right of property; the privilege of royal blood must not serve for the spoiling of the treasury.

    Purchase, receipt of money or inheirtance will be subject ot the payment of a stamp progressive

    Comment by Ron | June 22, 2010

  250. (Continuation of Protocol No. 20)
    tax. Any transfe of property, whether money or other, without evidence of payment of this tax which will be strictly registered by names, will render the former holder liable ot pay interest on the tax from the moment of transfer of these sums up to the discovery of his evasion of declaration of the transfer. Transfer documents must be presented weekly at the local tresury office with notifications of the name, surname and permanent place of residence of the former and the new holder of the property. This transfer with register of names must bgin from a definite sum which exceeds the ordinary expenses of buying and selling of necessaries, and these will be subject to payment only by stamp impost of a definait percentage of the unit.

    Just strike an estimate of how many tiems such taxes as these will cover the revenue of the goyim States.

    The State exchequer will have to maintain a definite complement of reserve sums,, and all that is collected above that complement must be returned into circulation. On these sums will be organised public works. The initiative in works of this kind, proceeding from State sources, will bind the working class firmly to the interess of the State and to those who reign. From these same sums also a part will be set aside as reward of inventiveness and productiveness.

    On no account should so much as a single unit above the denite and freely estimated sums be retained in the State treasuries, for money exists to be circulated and any kind of stagnation of money acts ruinously on the running of the sate machinery, for which it is the lubricant; a stagnation of the lubricant may stop the regular working of the mechanism.

    The substitution of interest-bearing paper for a part of the token of exchange has produced exactly this stagnation. The consequences of this circumstance are already sufficiently noticeable.

    a court of account will also be instituted by us and in it the ruler will find at any moment a full accounting for state income and expenditure, with the exception of the current monthly account, not yet made up, and that of the preceding month, which will not yet have been delivered.

    The one and only person who will have not interest in robbing the Stat is its owner, the ruler. This is why his personal control will remove the possibility of leakages of extravagances.

    The representative function of the ruler a receptions for the sake of etiquette, which absorbs so much invaluable time, will be abolished in order that the ruler may have time for control and consideration. His power will not then be split up into fracitonal parts among time-serving favourites who surround the throne for its pomp and splendour, and are interested only in thier own and not in the common interests of the State.

    Economic crises have been produced by us for the goyim by no ohter means than the withdrawal of money from circulation. Huge capitals have stagnated, withdrawing money from States, which were constantly obliged to apply to those same stagnant capitals for loans. These loans burdened the finances of the State with the payment of interest and made them the bond slaves of these capitals . . .The concentration of industry in the hands of the capitalists out of the hands of small masters has drained away all the juices of the peoples and with them also the States . . .

    The present issue of money in general does not correspond with the requirements per head, and cannot therefore satisfy all the needs of the workers. the issue of moeny ought to correspond with the growth of population and thereby children also must absolutely be reckoned as consumers of currency from the day of their birth. The revision of issue is a material question for the whole world.

    You are aware that the gold standard ahs been the ruin of the States which adopted it, for it has not been able to satisfy the demands for money, the more so that we have removed gold from circulation as far as possible.

    With us the standard that mut be introduced is the cost of workingman power whethe it be reckoned in paper or in wood. We shall make the issue of money in accordance with the normal requirements of each subject, adding to the quantity with every birth and subracting with every death.

    The accounts will be managed by each department (the French adminstrative division), each circle.

    In order that there may be no delays in teh paying out of money for State needs, the sums and terms of such payemnts will be fixed by decree of the ruler; this will do away with the protection by a minstry of one institutionto the detriment of others.

    The budgets of income and expenditure will be carried out side by side that they may not be obsucred by distance one to another.

    The reforms projected by us in the financial and principels of the goyim will be closed by us in such forms as will alarm nobody. We shall poing out the necessity of reforms in consequence of the disorderly darkness into which the goyim by their irregularities have plunged the finances. The first irregularity, as we shall pount out, consists in their beginning with drawing upa single budget which year after year grows owing to the following cause: this budget is dragged out to half the year, then they demand a budget to put things right, and this they expend in three months, after which they ask for a supplementary budget, and all this ends with a liquidation budget. But, as the budgt of the folowing year is drawn up in accodance with the sum of the total additon, the annual departure from the normal reaches as much as 50 per cent, in a year, and so the annual budget is trebled in ten years. Thanks to such methods, allowed by the carelessness of the goy States, their treasuries are empty. The period of loans supervenes, and that has swallowed up remainders and brought all the goy States to bankruptcy.

    (to be continued)

    Comment by Ron | June 22, 2010

  251. (Continuation of Protocol No.20)

    You understand perfectly that economic arrangement of this kind, which have been suggested to the goyim by us, cannot be carried on by us.

    Every kind of loan proves infirmity in the State and a want of understanding of the rights of the State. Loans hang like a sword of Damocles over the heads of the rulers, who instead of taking from their subjects by a temporary tax, come begging with outstretched palm of our bankers. Foreign loans are leeches of which there is no possibility of removing from the body of the State until they fall off of themselves or the State flings them off. But the goy States do not tear them off, they go on in persisting in putting more on to themselves so that they must inevitabley perish, drained by voluntary bloodletting.

    What also indeed is, in substance, a loan, especially a foreign loan? A loan is–an issue of government bills of exchange containing a percentage obligation commensurate to the sum of the loan capital. If the loan bears a charge of 5 percent, then intwenty years the State vainly pays away in terest a sum equal to the loan borrowed, in forty yuears it is payuing a double sum, in sixty–treble, and all the while the debt remains an unpaid debt.

    From this calculation it is obvious that with any form of tasxation per head the stte is baling out the last coppers of the poor taxpayers in order to settle accounts with wealthy foreigners, from whom it has borrowed money instead of collecting these coppers for its own needs without the additional interest.

    So long as loans were internal the goyim onlyh shyuffled their money from the pockets of the poor to htose of the rich, but when we bought up the necessary person in oreder to transfer loans into the external sphere all the wealth of states flowed into our cash-boxes and all the goyim began to pay us teh tribute of subjects.

    If the superficiality of goy kings on their thrones in regard to State affairs and the venality of ministers or the want of understanding of financial matters on the part of other ruling persons have made their countries debtors to our treasuries to amonts quite impossible to pay it has not been accomplished without on our part heavy expenditure of trouble and money.

    Stagnation of money wil not be allowed by us and therefore there will be no State interest-bearing paper, except a one percent series, so that there will be no payement of ienrest to leeches that suck all the strength out of the State. The right to issue interest-bearing paper will be given exclusively to industrial companies who will find no difficulty in paying interest out of profits, wheras the State does notmake interest on borrowed money liek these companies, for the State borrow to spend and not to use in operations.

    Industrial papers will be bought also by the government which from being as now a payer of tribute by loan oeprations will be transformed into a lender of money at a profit. This meaasure will stop the stagnation of money, parasitic profits and idleness, all of which were useful for us among the goyim so long as they were independent but are not desirable under our rule.

    How clear is the undeveloped power of thought of the purely brute brains of the goyim, as expressed in the fact that they have been borrowing from us with payment of interest must be got by them from their own State pockets in order to settle up with us. What could have been simpler than to take the money they wnated from their own people?

    But it is a proof of the genius of our chosen mind that we have contrived to present the matter of loasns to them in such a light that they have even seen in them and advantage for themselves.

    Our accounst, which we shall present when the time comes, in the light of centuries of experience gained by experiments made by us on the goy States, will be distinguished by clearness and definiteness and will show at a glance to all men the advantage of our innovations. They will put an end to those abuses to which we owe our mstery over the goyim, but which cannot be allowe in our kingdom.

    We shall so hedge about our system of accoutning that neither the ruler nor the most insignificant public servant will be in a position to divert even the smallest sum from its destinatiion without detection or to direct ti in another direction except that which will be once fixed in a definite plan of action.

    And without a defintie plan it is impossible to rule. Marching along an undetermined roald and with undetermined resources bring to ruin by the way heroes and demi-gods.

    The goy rulers, whom we once upon a time advised should be distracted from State occupations by representative receptions, observances of etiquette, entertainments, were only screens for our rule. The accounts of favourite courtiers who replace them in the sphere of affairs were drawn up for them by our agents, and every time gave satisfaction to short-sighted minds by promises that in the future ceonomies and improvements were foreseen . . . . Economies from what? From new taxes?–were questions that might have been but were not asked by those who read our accounts and projects . . .

    You know to what they have been brought by this carelessness, to what a pitch of financial disorder they have arrived, notwithstanding the astonishing industry of their peoples . . . .

    (to be continued with Protocol No.21)

    Comment by Ron | June 23, 2010

  252. PROTOCOL NO.21)

    To what I reported to you at the last meeting I shall now add a detailed explanation of internal loans. Of foreign loans I shall sy nothing more, because they have fed us with the national moneys of the goyim, but for our State there will be no foreigners, that is, nothing external.

    We have taken advantage of the venality of adminsitrators and the slackness of rulers to get our moneys twice, thrice and more times over, by lending to the goy governments moneys which wre not at all needed by the States. Could anyone do the like in regard to us? . . .
    Therefore, I shall only deal with the details of internal loans.

    Satates annoucne that such a loan is to be concluded and open subsscriptions for their own bills of exchange, that is, for their interest-bearing paper. That they may be within the reach of ll the price is determined at from a hundred to a thousand; and a discount is made for the earliest subscribers. Next day by artificial means the price of them goes up, the alleged reson being that everyone is rushing to buy them. Ina few days the tresury safes are as they say overflowing and there’s more money than they can do withs (Why then take it?). The subscripton , it is alleged covers many times over the issue total of the loan; in this lies the whole stage effect–look you, they say, what conficend is shown in the government’s bills of exchange.

    But when the comedy is played out there emerges the fact that a dibti and an eceedingly burdensome debit hass been created.

    Comment by Ron | June 23, 2010

  253. (Continuation of Protocol No. 21)

    For the payment of interest it becomes necessary to have recours to new loans, which do not swallow up but only add to the capital debt. And when this credit is exhasusted it becomes necessary by new taxes to cover, not the loan, but only t he interest on it. Thes taxes are a debit employed to cover a debit. . . .

    Later comes the time for conversions, but they dimins the payment of interest without covering the debt, and besides they cannot be made without the consent of the lenders; on announcing a conversion a proposal is made to return the money to those who are not willing to convert their paper. If everbody expressed his unwillingness and demanded his money back, the government would be hook on their own flies and would be found insolvent and unable to pay the proposed sums. By good luck the subjects of the goy governments, knowing nothing about financial affaris, have always preferred losses of exchange and diminution of interest to the risk of of new investments of their moneys, and have thereby many a time enable these governments to throw off their shoulders a debit of several millions.

    Nowadays, with external loans, these tricks cannot be polayed by the goyim for they know that we shall demand all our moneys back.

    In this way an acknowledged bandkruptcy will best prove to the various coutnries the absence of any means between the interests of the peoples and of those who rule them.

    I beg you to conecentrate yojr particula attention upon this point and upon the following: nowadays all internal loans are consolidated by so-called flying loans, that is, such as have terms of payment more or less near. Thes debits consits of moneys paid inot the savings banks and reserve funds. If left for long at the disposition of a government ssthese funds evaporate in the payemnt of interest on foreign loans, and are replaced by the deposit of equivalent amounts of rentes.

    And these last it is which patch up all the leaks in the State treasuries of the goyim.

    When we ascend the throne of the world all these financial and similar shifts, as being not in accord with our interests, wil be swept away so as not to leave a trace, as also will be destroyed all money markets, since we shall not allow the prestige of our pwoer to be shaken by fluctuations of prices set upon our values , which we shall announce by lawat the price which represents their full worth without any possibility of lowering or raising.(Raising gives the pretext for lowing, which indeed was where we made a beginning in relation to the values of the goyim.)

    We shall replace the money markets by grandiose government credit institutions, the object of which will be to fix the price of industrial values in accordance with government views. These institutions will be in a position to fling uoon the market five hundred millions of industrial paper in one day, or to buy up for the same amount. In this way all industrial understandings will come into dependence upon us. You may imagine for yourselves what immense power we shall thereby secure for ourselves. . . .
    (To be continued with Protocol no. 22)

    Comment by Ron | June 23, 2010

  254. (Continuation of Protocol No. 21)

    For the payment of interest it becomes necessary to have recours to new loans, which do not swallow up but only add to the capital debt. And when this credit is exhasusted it becomes necessary by new taxes to cover, not the loan, but only t he interest on it. Thes taxes are a debit employed to cover a debit. . . .

    Later comes the time for conversions, but they diminsh the payment of interest without covering the debt, and besides they cannot be made without the consent of the lenders; on announcing a conversion a proposal is made to return the money to those who are not willing to convert their paper. If everbody expressed his unwillingness and demanded his money back, the government would be hook on their own flies and would be found insolvent and unable to pay the proposed sums. By good luck the subjects of the goy governments, knowing nothing about financial affaris, have always preferred losses of exchange and diminution of interest to the risk of of new investments of their moneys, and have thereby many a time enable these governments to throw off their shoulders a debit of several millions.

    Nowadays, with external loans, these tricks cannot be polayed by the goyim for they know that we shall demand all our moneys back.

    In this way an acknowledged bankruptcy will best prove to the various coutnries the absence of any means between the interests of the peoples and of those who rule them.

    I beg you to conecentrate yojr particula attention upon this point and upon the following: nowadays all internal loans are consolidated by so-called flying loans, that is, such as have terms of payment more or less near. Thes debits consits of moneys paid inot the savings banks and reserve funds. If left for long at the disposition of a government ssthese funds evaporate in the payemnt of interest on foreign loans, and are replaced by the deposit of equivalent amounts of rentes.

    And these last it is which patch up all the leaks in the State treasuries of the goyim.

    When we ascend the throne of the world all these financial and similar shifts, as being not in accord with our interests, wil be swept away so as not to leave a trace, as also will be destroyed all money markets, since we shall not allow the prestige of our pwoer to be shaken by fluctuations of prices set upon our values , which we shall announce by lawat the price which represents their full worth without any possibility of lowering or raising.(Raising gives the pretext for lowing, which indeed was where we made a beginning in relation to the values of the goyim.)

    We shall replace the money markets by grandiose government credit institutions, the object of which will be to fix the price of industrial values in accordance with government views. These institutions will be in a position to fling uoon the market five hundred millions of industrial paper in one day, or to buy up for the same amount. In this way all industrial understandings will come into dependence upon us. You may imagine for yourselves what immense power we shall thereby secure for ourselves. . . .
    (To be continued with Protocol no. 22)

    Comment by Ron | June 23, 2010

  255. Here are some words of advice about education and character from EDWARD LEEDSKALNIN, written in 1936.
    _____________

    Now I will tell you what education is according to my reasoning. An educated person is one whose senses are refined. We are born as brutes, we remain and die as the same if we do not become polished. Some are too coarse to take it.

    The main base of education is one’s “self-respect”. Any one lacking self-respect cannot be educated. The main bases of self-respect is the willingness to learn, to do only the things that are good and right, to believe only in the things that can be proved, to possess appreciation and self control.

    Now, if you lack willingness to learn, you will remain as a brute and if you do things that are not good and right, you will be a low person, and if you believe in things that cannot be proved, any feeble minded person can lead you, and if you lack appreciation, it takes away the incentive for good doing and if you lack self control you will never know the limit.

    So all those lacking these characteristics in their makeup are not educated.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 24, 2010

  256. ….and if you believe in things that cannot be proved, any feeble minded person can lead you….

    The perfect description for Ron, led to believe in non-sense by other people who are as ignorant and mistaken as he is.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 24, 2010

  257. Leslie Schwartz, you are the most asinine “asshole,” in world history. You cannot define education anymore than education can define you.

    PROTOCOL NO. 22

    In all that has so far been reported by me to you, I have endeavoured to depict with care the secret of what is comeing, of what is past, and of what is going on right now, rushing into the flood of the great events coming already in the near future, the secret of our relations to the goyim and of financial operations. On this subject there remainms still a little for me to add.

    In our hands is the greates power of our day–gold: in two days we can procure from our storehouses any quantity we may please.

    Surely there no need to seek furhter proof that our is predestined by God? Surely we shall not fail with such wealth to prove that all that evil which for so many centuries we have had to commit has served at the end of ends the cause of true well-being–the bringing of everything into order? Though it be even by the exercise of some violence yet all the same it wil be established. We shall contrive to prove that we are benefactors who have restored to the rent and mangeld earth the ture good and also freedom of the person, and therewith we shall enable it to be enjoyed in peace and quiet, with proper dignity of relations, on the condition, of course, of strict observance of the laws established by us. We shall make plain therewith that freedom does not const in dissipation and in the right of unbridle license any more than the dignity and force of a man do not consist in the right for everyone to promulgate destructive principles in the nature of freedom of conscience, equality and the like, that freedom of the person in no wise consits in the right to agitate oneself and others by abominable speeches befoe disorderly mobs, and that true freeedom consts in the inviolability of the person who honourable and strictly oabserve all the laws of life in common, that human dingnity is wrapped up in consciousness of the rights and also of the absence of rights of each, and not wholy and solely in fantastic imaginings about the subject of one’s ego.

    Our authority will be glorious because it wil be all-powerful, will rule and guide, and not muddle along after leaders and orators shrieking themselve hoarse with senseless words which they call great principles and which are nothing else, to speak honestly, but utopian . . . One authority will be the crown of order, and in that is included the whole happines of man. The aureole of this authority will inspire a mystical bowing of the knee before it and a reverent fear beofe it of all the peoples . True force makes no terms with any right, not even with that of God: none dare come near to it so as to take so much as a span from it away.

    Comment by Ron | June 24, 2010

  258. PROTOCOL NO. 23

    That the peoples may become accustomed to obedience it is necessary to inculcate lesson of himilty and therefoe to reduce th produciton of articles of luxury. By this we shall improve morals which have been debased by emulation in the sphere of luxury. We shall re-establish small master production which will mean laying a mine under the private capital of manufacturers. This is indispensable qalso for the reason that manufacturers of the grand scal of often move, though not always consciously, the thoughts of the masses in directions aginst the government. A peopel od small masters knows nothing of unemployment and this binds him closely with existing order, and consequently with teh firmness of authority. Unemployment is amost perilous thing for a government. For us its part will have been played out the moment authority is transfeered into our hands. Drunkenness also wil be prohibited by law and punishable a a ceime agains the humanness of man who is turened into a brute under the influence of alcohol.

    Subjects, I repeat once more, give blind obedience only to the strong hand which is absolutely independent of them, for in it they feel the sword of defence and support against social scourges . . . What do they want with an angelic spirit in a king? What they have to see in him is the personification of force and power.

    The supreme lord who will replace all existing rulers, dragging on their existence among societies demoralised by us, societies that have denied even the authority of God, from whose midst breaks out on all sides the fire of anarchy, must first of all proceed to quench this all-devouring flame. Therefore he will be obliged to kill off those existing societies, though he should drench them with his own blood, that he may resurrect them again in the form of regularly organised troops fighting consciously with every kind of infection that may cover the body of the State with sores.

    This Chosen One of God id chosen from above to demolish the senseless force moved by instinct and not reson, by brutishness and not humanness. These forced now triumph in manifestations of robbery and every kind of violence under the mask of principles of freedom and rights.
    They have overthrown all forms of social ordr to eret on the ruins the throne of the King of the Jews; but their part will be played out the moment he enters into his kingdom. Then it will be necessary to sweep them away from his path, on which must be left no knot , no splinter.

    Then will it be possible for us to say to the peoples of the world: “Give thanks to God and bow the knee before him who bears on his front the seal of the predestination of man, to which God HImself has led his star that none other but He might free us from all the before-mentioned forces and evils.”

    Comment by Ron | June 24, 2010

  259. PROTOCOL NO. 24

    I pass now to the method of confirming the dynastic root of King David to the last strata of the earth.

    This confirmation will firs and foremost be included in that in which to this day has rested the force of conservatism by our learned elders of the conduct of all trhe affairs of the wordl, in the directing of the education of thought of all humanity.

    Certain members of the seed of David will prepare the kings and their heirs, selecting not by right of hertiage buy by eminent capacities, inducting them into the most secret mysteries of the political, into schemes of government, but providing always that none may come to knowledge of the secrets. The object of this mode of action is that all may know that government cannot be entrusted to those who have not been inducted into the secret places of its art . . .

    To these persons only will be taught the practical appliation of the aforenamed plans by comparision of the experience of many centuries, all the observations on the politico-economic moves and social sciences–in a word, all th spirit of laws which have been unshakably established by nature herself for the regulation of the relations of humanity.

    Direct heirs will often be set aside from ascending the throne if in their time of training they exhibit frivolity, softness and other qualities that are the ruin of authority, which render them incapable of governing and in themselves dangerous for kingly office.

    Only those who are unconditionally capable for frim, even if it be to cruelty, direct rule will receive the reains of rule from our learned elders.

    In case of falling sick with weakness of wil or other form of incapacity, kings must by law hand over the reins of rule to new and capable hands . . .

    The king’s plans of actin for the current moment, and all the more so for the future, will be unknown, even to those who are called his closet counsellors.

    Only the king and the three who stood sponsor for him will know what is coming.

    In the prson of the king who with unbending will is master of himself and of humanity all will discern a it were fate with its mysterious ways. None will know what the king wishes to attain by his dispostions, and therefore none will dare to stnad across an unknown path.

    It is understood that the brain reservoir of the king must correspond in capcity to the plan of government it has to contain. It is for this reason that he will ascend the throne not othrwise than after examination of his mind by the aforesaid learned elders.

    That the people may know and love their king it is indispensable for him to convers in the market-places with his people. This ensured the necessary clinching of the two forces which are now divided one from another by by the terror.

    This terror was indispensable for us till the time comes for both these forces separately to fall under our influence.

    The KING OF THE JEWS MUST NOT BE AT THE MERCY OF HIS PASSIONS, AND ESPECIALLY OF SENSUALITY: ON NO SIDE OF HIS CHARACTER MUST HE GIVE BRUTE INSTINCTS POWER OVER HIS MIND. SENSUALITY WORSE THAN ALL ELSE DISORGANISES THE CAPACITIES OF THE MIND AND CELARNESS OF VIEWS, DISTRACTING THE THOUGHTS TO THE WORSTR AND MOST BRUTAL SIDE OF HUMAN ACTIVITY.

    The prop of humanity in the person of the supreme lord of all the world of the holy seed of David must sacrifice to his people all personal inclinations.

    Our supreme lord must be of an exemplary irreproachability.

    This is the last of “The Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion.” However, if you wish to learn more about the infamy of the adherents to the creed, go to: http://www.iamthewitness.com, where there is a plethora of informatiion about the agenda of Zionism for global conquest and subjugation, which, at this juncture, is pretty much a fait accompli.

    Comment by Ron | June 24, 2010

  260. I have mentioned a number of times that Ron and the people of low intellect and character like him are explained by the following;

    Here are some words of advice about education and character from EDWARD LEEDSKALNIN, written in 1936.
    _____________

    Now I will tell you what education is according to my reasoning. An educated person is one whose senses are refined. We are born as brutes, we remain and die as the same if we do not become polished. Some are too coarse to take it.

    The main base of education is one’s “self-respect”. Any one lacking self-respect cannot be educated. The main bases of self-respect is the willingness to learn, to do only the things that are good and right, to believe only in the things that can be proved, to possess appreciation and self control.

    Now, if you lack willingness to learn, you will remain as a brute and if you do things that are not good and right, you will be a low person, and if you believe in things that cannot be proved, any feeble minded person can lead you, and if you lack appreciation, it takes away the incentive for good doing and if you lack self control you will never know the limit.

    So all those lacking these characteristics in their makeup are not educated.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 24, 2010

  261. Yep, Ron has given up trying to prove the Koestler hypothesis is true and has given in to his desire to smear Jewish people with lies, such as this bogus Protocols of Zion crap.

    Of course, since proof of the Koestler hypothesis requires a capacity to learn and apply scientific concepts, this unfortunately is beyond Ron’s capacity.

    But Ron does have the capacity to hate and blame and to believe in non-sense, so he has no other choice it seems but to focus on his bigoted views.

    We can not ever expect Ron to rise about this bigotry because his ‘mind’ and ‘heart’ are prisoners of his diminished capacity.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 24, 2010

  262. I consider Ron to be the perfect example of a weak minded bigot who has bought into every piece of anti Jewish hate mongering nonsense that has made its way onto the internet.

    I urge everyone to go back over this page and re-read several times if necessary everything that Ron has posted and ask your self;

    1) Are these the views of a man with an contemporary, modern education? [No]

    2) Is this individual even mentally capable of absorbing and understanding simple scientific concepts even the average high schooler could comprehend? [Definitely not]

    3) Does this fellow even operate with a sane world view, or is he some sort of compulsive religious nut job driven by idiosyncratic pseudo-religious mumbo-jumbo he has fixated on and compulsively repeats over and over, and over and over, and over and over, again? [No, he is a obsessive compulsive, fixated hater]

    4) Is this fellow capable of discerning between total trash and fiction that gets posted on the internet, verses real science, sociology, history? [No he can't tell fact from fiction]

    I think his posts prove exactly the answer to these questions, without a doubt. [Yes, they do]
    ___

    And BTW, back to the topic.

    The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

    And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 24, 2010

  263. …and if you believe in things that cannot be proved, any feeble minded person can lead you….

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 24, 2010

  264. Poor, delusional Leslie cannot “handle the truth.”

    Comment by Ron | June 25, 2010

  265. What can you deduce about the intellect of an individual who thinks that since astronomers decided to re-classify Pluto as not a major planet, that this fact proves all of science is suspect?

    You can conclude the individual does not have much of an intellect to work with. And lacking a workable intellect what would that tell us about his ability to discern and judge issues of any type?

    “…and if you believe in things that cannot be proved, any feeble minded person can lead you,…”

    I have mentioned a number of times that Ron and the people of low intellect and character like him are explained by the following;

    Here are some words of advice about education and character from EDWARD LEEDSKALNIN, written in 1936.
    _____________

    Now I will tell you what education is according to my reasoning. An educated person is one whose senses are refined. We are born as brutes, we remain and die as the same if we do not become polished. Some are too coarse to take it.

    The main base of education is one’s “self-respect”. Any one lacking self-respect cannot be educated. The main bases of self-respect is the willingness to learn, to do only the things that are good and right, to believe only in the things that can be proved, to possess appreciation and self control.

    Now, if you lack willingness to learn, you will remain as a brute and if you do things that are not good and right, you will be a low person, and if you believe in things that cannot be proved, any feeble minded person can lead you, and if you lack appreciation, it takes away the incentive for good doing and if you lack self control you will never know the limit.

    So all those lacking these characteristics in their makeup are not educated.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 25, 2010

  266. And BTW, back to the topic.

    The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

    And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

    I gave the same challenge to Ron, but as you can see from the above, he could not provide such a cite and offered only more of his warped paranoiac excuses and delusions in response to the challenge.

    Such hate filled non-sense is fine if you are an obsessive compulsive pseudo-religious weak minded hate monger like Ron, but anyone with an education who is not similarly a bigot will hold to a higher standard of proof than the well known set of often repeated anti-Jewish internet conspiracy theories.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 25, 2010

  267. Leslie, you have not cited any “reputable” scientists, only Khazar propagandists. That will not hold water. You are the bastardy of Turkic/Mongolian hooligans, and nothing more. You want to be something you can never be. The Bible make it absolutely clear, without ambiguity, who is the “Seed of Abraham,” and who is not, and you Khazars never were, and never will be. I will take the word of the Bible, above all “so-called scientists,” who do not even believe in any type of supreme being.

    Comment by Ron | June 28, 2010

    • Oh yes I have and no one with a functional brain in their head will buy your BS that all geneticists who have researched the Khazarian hypothesis are ‘crypto-jews’ and Khazarians and that all hospitals, research organizations performing scientific DNA research are controlled by Jews.

      That is your delusional, paranoid, racist belief.

      And I have posted such articles which prove the Koestler hypothesis wrong, authored by non-Jewish geneticists on this page.

      Of course Ron, you are too dense and too lazy to read the articles and you mistakenly believe that anyone but another racist ignoramus like yourself will share your racist prejudices and prefer ignorance over truth.

      And just how stupid and uneducated you are is proved by your ridiculous idea that anything in the bible could be proof of someone’s DNA lineage.

      And when I ask for your scientific proof you attempt to enter fabricated lies, a made up quote you fabricated and could not give a citation for.

      Ron you like to think of yourself as a religious person, you call yourself a Christian, but in fact you are neither.

      Was Christ a racist hater? Did Christ think it was OK to lie and treat his fellow man with hatred. Would Christ be too lazy and too stupid to engage the facts?

      No Christ would not do these things you do, and you Ron are no Christian.

      Ron you are an uneducated, bigoted ignoramus, and you prove this over and over again in your posts.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 28, 2010

  268. Here directly on point from real genetic studies is one of many refutations of the Koestler hypothesis, and your view that modern Jews are primarily of Khazarian background.

    Too bad you are too stupid and too lazy to read it.

    And I have posted this before, above, as well as other genetic proofs the Koestler hypothesis is wrong as are your ignorant bigoted views.

    The Koestler hypothesis has been studied by geneticists, and by modern ethnologists, and they have proved it to be incorrect.

    Your lying quote states that ‘R1a1NRY within the Ashkenazi Jews was sourced from the Khazarian Kingdom, constitute a modern Jewish population with a 92% Khazar inheritance’

    When in fact by scientific studies it (the haplotype R1a1) in a more generic (earlier form, indicating a Scandinavian connection to earlier Euro-asian populations, see below) may constitute at most 12%, see study the following;

    http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm

    The Khazars: A Jewish Kingdom in Europe

    Author Arthur Koestler (1976) is generally credited for bringing the unique history of the Khazars to the attention of the public. The decades that have past since the publication of his book have not dampened its highly controversial nature.

    The country of the Khazars lay in the area between the Black and Caspian Seas, between the Caucasus Mountains and the Volga River. There, between the ever-invading Muslim Arabs and the Christian Byzantine Empire, a peculiar thing occurred – a Jewish empire arose. In 740 CE, the Khazarian King, his court and military ruling class all embraced the Jewish faith. This large scale official conversion of an ethnically non-Jewish people is well attested to in Arab, Byzantine, Russian and Hebrew sources (Koestler 1976, pp.13-15).

    The rationale behind such conversion continues to both puzzle and fascinate historians – why would a people, despite political pressure from two great powers, chose a religion which had no support from any political power, but was rather persecuted by all? Whatever the reason, the Jewish Khazars continued to rule their kingdom until the 12th-13th century, when their empire finally dissolved. The fate of the Khazars after the fall of their empire remains a subject of great controversy among researchers.

    The Khazars are often described as “a people of Turkish stock,” although such description is misleading (Koestler 1976, p. 13). Although the Khazars spoke a Turkish dialect believed to be related to that spoken today by the peoples of the Chuvash Soviet Republic, their ethnic origins remains a matter of debate. Many of the Eurasian tribes driven westward by the Chinese, including the Huns, were labeled under the generic term of “Turk.” The origin of the word “Khazar” most likely derives from the Turkish root “gaz,” meaning “to wander” or simply “nomad.” (Koestler 1976, p. 21).

    Given that the Khazarian kingdom arose in the area of today’s Ukraine, it is likely that there was a significant amount of indigenous Eastern European ancestry among this group. And, in fact, the various descriptions of the Khazars provided by ancient writers attest to the probable heterogeneous ethnic mixture in this group.

    According to an 11th century Arab chronicler Ibn-al-Balkhi, the Khazars are

    . . . to the north of the inhabited earth towards the 7th clime, having over their heads the constellation of the Plough. Their land is cold and wet. Accordingly their complexions are white, their eyes blue, their hair flowing and predominately reddish, their bodies large and their natures cold. Their general aspect is wild” (Koestler 1976, p. 19). An Armenian writer described them as having “insolent, broad, lashless faces and long falling hair, like women. (Koestler 1976, p. 20).

    A slightly more flattering picture is provided by Arab geographer Istakhri:

    The Khazars do not resemble the Turks. They are black-haired, and are of two kinds, one called the Kara-Khazars [Black Khazars] who are swarthy verging on deep black as if they were kind of Indian, and a white kind [Ak-Khazars], who are strikingly handsome. (Koestler 1976, p. 20)

    However, Koestler (1976, p. 22) cautions the reader not to place too much weight on this description, since it was customary among Turkish peoples to refer to the ruling classes as “white” and the lower clans as “black.”

    It is clear that the Khazars were closely connected to the Huns, who themselves are an ethnic mystery. The Byzantine rhetorician Priscus, who was part of an embassy to Attila the Hun’s court in 448 CE, reported that a people known as the “Akatzirs” or “White Khazars” were subjects of the Huns. According to Koestler (1976, p. 23), “Priscus’s chronicle confirms that the Khazars appeared on the European scene about the middle of the fifth century as a people under Hunnish sovereignty, and may be regarded, together with the Magyars and other tribes, as a later offspring of Attila’s horde.” After the collapse of the Hunnish Empire following Attila’s death, the confederation of tribes known as the Khazars eventually gained supremacy in the southern half of Eastern Europe, retaining control of this region for nearly four centuries.

    What became a matter of dispute among historians was the fate of the Jewish Khazars after the destruction of their empire in the 12th- 13th centuries. Koestler argued that remnants of the Khazar tribes migrated into regions of Eastern Europe where the greatest concentrations of Jews were found, eventually merging with those pre-existing communities. In fact, Koestler’s controversial argument was that the Khazars emigrated in substantial enough numbers to have had a significant genetic impact on contemporary Jewish ancestry.

    With the advent of DNA studies, the question of whether contemporary Jews could trace any part of their ancestry back to the Khazars became a tantalizing mystery to try to solve. While the Cohanim DNA writers attempted to close the book on this question, evidence from another important genetic study, that of the Jewish Levite priests, made it apparent that the Khazarian debate was far from over.

    The Levites: The DNA of the Jewish Khazarian Priests

    The other Jewish priestly caste is known as the “Levites.” Like the Cohanim, Levites are recorded in the Hebrew Bible as direct descendants of Aaron, Israel’s first High Priest. In fact, the Cohanim are actually a special subsection of the Levites (Telushkin 1997, p. 125).

    In the second study published on the Cohanim, researchers reported that despite a priori expectations, Jews who identified themselves as Levites did not share a common set of markers with the Cohanim (Thomas et al. 1998). Unfortunately, the reporting that the Levites did not share a genetic signature from a common patrilineal ancestor with the Cohanim flew in the face of Jewish tradition. This led to some rather bizarre and disparaging explanations, like the following from Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman (1999) in Jewish Action:

    It is interesting to note that the tribe of Levi has a history of lack of quantity…After the Babylonian exile, the Levi’im (plural) failed to return en masse to Jerusalem, though urged by Ezra the Scribe to do so (They were therefore fined by losing their exclusive rights to maser.). Though statistically, the Levi’im should be more numerous than Cohanim, in synagogues today it is not unusual to have a minyan with a surplus of Cohanim, yet not one Levi.

    In point of fact, the Levites were shown to have a common set of genetic markers – just not the CMH. These markers were not even part of the same J1 haplogroup as found in the Cohanim. The majority of Levites shared a common haplotype, indicating a shared common ancestor among them, but this haplotype occurred within haplogroup R1a and, more specifically, within subgroup R1a1. Furthermore, this haplogroup was found only in the Ashkenazi Levites; it was not shared with the Sephardic Levite population in the same fashion as the CMH. Given the fact that the Ashkenazi Levites did not share R1a with their Sephardic counterparts, it appeared that this haplogroup had entered the Jewish population sometime during the Diaspora.

    In one of the first studies to closely examine the high levels of R1a among Levites, researchers found that R1al formed a “tight cluster” within the Ashkenazi Levites (Behar et al. 2003). This suggested to the researchers a very recent origin of this group from a single common ancestor (Behar et al. 2003).

    In a subsequent Levite study, the modal haplotype reported for Ashkenazi R1a1, known as “H6,” was reported to occur twice as often as the second most common R1a1 haplotype among Ashkenazim, known as “H10” (Nebel et al. 2005). Out of a sample of 55 individuals, 25 had haplotype “H6” and 12 had haplotype “H10” (Nebel et al. 2005, Supplementary Material).

    Table 2

    Haplotypes* for Ashkenazi R-M17

    HAPLOTYPE

    *6-Locus Haplotype

    Behar believed that among Ashkenazi Jews, R1a1 was essentially restricted to Levites. However, we know from subsequent research that R1a1 comprises nearly 12% of Ashkenazi results, while the Levites only make up about 4-5 % of the Jewish people (Nebel et al. 2005). Thus, these results extend well beyond the Levite priestly class to approximately 5-8% of the Cohanim and Israelites (the non-priestly Jewish population) as well.

    Haplogroup R1a1 is relatively rare within Middle Eastern populations, but very common among Eastern European and Scandinavian populations (Behar et al. 2003). It is found at a frequency of 7% in some Near Eastern groups (Behar et al. 2004b). However, given that Sephardic groups did not share R1a1 frequencies with the Ashkenazim, it was apparent that Jewish R1a1 was probably not of ancient Israelite origin.

    Confirmation of the high frequency of Haplogroup R1a1 among Ashkenazim as compared to other Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations was found in a genetic study on Samaritan and Israeli groups (Shen et al. 2004). Although population samples were small, consisting of twenty participants from Ashkenazi Jewish groups, all were Eastern Ashkenazim of Polish ancestry. Ashkenazi results were compared to other Jewish groups from Iraq, Libya, Morocco, Ethiopia and Yemen, as well as to non-Jewish Samaritan, Druze and Palestinian populations. Shen found that haplogroup R was found in 10-30% of all the groups, with the exception of Palestinians and Ethiopian Jews, though the majority belonged to R1b and R*. In contrast, the Ashkenazim had the highest percentage of haplogroup R (30%), with two-thirds of those results found in haplogroup R1a (Shen et al. 2004).

    As for when R1a1 first entered the Jewish community, Behar (2003) estimated a mean TMRCA (time to the most recent common ancestor) of 663 years before the present using the Simple Stepwise Mutation Model and a mean time of 1,000 years before present under the Linear Length-Dependent Stepwise Mutational Model. This calculation was striking because it fit precisely within the time period that Koestler believed the mass migration and absorption of the Khazars by the larger Eastern European Jewish communities occurred.

    R1a1 is found in very high frequencies not only in the area of Eastern Europe where the Khazarian kingdom is reported to have existed, but also in many Central Asian populations as well, where some of the Khazarian population may have originated (Nebel et al. 2005). Furthermore, the most common Ashkenazi haplotype, H6, is identical to the most common haplotype found among European R1a1 (YHRD 2003). Ashkenazi H10 is identical to the fifth most common European R1a1 haplotype.[1]

    Behar (2003) noted that Ashkenazi R1a1 haplotypes clustered closely with those seen in Sorbian and Belarusian groups in Eastern Europe, yet the haplotypes were dissimilar enough to convince him that these groups were not the original source population for Ashkenazi R1a1. While the Ashkenazi H6 haplotype is also one of the most common haplotypes among the Sorbian and Belarusian populations, the modal haplotypes found among these two Eastern European groups do not appear among Ashkenazim (Behar, 2003). However, it is possible that genetic drift could have led to the loss of other Jewish R1a1 lineages (Behar, 2003).

    Nebel (2005) emphasized that the R1a1 haplogroup must have entered the Jewish gene pool from outside sources because the ancestral haplotype (H6) is almost completely absent in Sephardic Jews, Kurdish Jews and Palestinian population samples. He suggested that R1a1 in Ashkenazim “may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars.” However, he also argued for a single founder event early on in the Jewish Diaspora, proposing that the TMRCA for R1a1 among Ashkenazi was approximately 62.7 generations ago, or 1567 years ago.

    However, the proposal that R1a1 originated with a single founder event early in the Diaspora has become increasingly unlikely as research on Jewish DNA progresses. Since R1a1 is spread fairly evenly in haplotype distribution and frequency throughout the Ashkenazi populations from various countries (Germany, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Russia and the Ukraine), then the founders must have entered the community either before it expanded and spread to Eastern Europe, or merged separately into both eastern and western Ashkenazi groups. However, Nebel (2005) is forced to assert an extremely early TMRCA due to his belief that R1a1 must have originated with a single founder or very small group of founders. In order for R1a1 to reach its high frequency (12%) among the Ashkenazim from a single founder, a very early date must be proposed for the introgression of this haplogroup. Under this scenario, R1a1 entered the Jewish community when it was extremely small and in its formative stage. Gene flow from a single R1a founder at this early stage would likely have a huge impact on the expanding Ashkenazi population.

    However, it appears that the most recently revised mutational dating techniques lend support to Behar’s (2003) later date when applied to Jewish R1a1 haplotypes. If we assume that R1a1 entered the Jewish community around 1300 CE, then there would need to be enough founders to leave a 12% genetic impact on the population. Given that the Ashkenazi population at that time is estimated to be approximately 25,000 persons, it would be nearly impossible for a single founder to make such a significant genetic impact (Behar et al. 2004b). Adopting this conservative estimate of 25,000 persons, approximately two to three thousand R1a1 males probably entered the Ashkenazi community between the 12th-13th centuries.

    Interestingly, there are no historical accounts of any large scale conversions or Eastern European groups entering the Jewish community at this time – except the Khazars.

    Additionally, given the relatively late date of introgression and the large number of founders, these males must have already been very closely related to each other, sharing the R1a1 haplotypes that are later reflected in the Levite results. Behar (2003) noted that the lack of Levite R1a1 haplotype diversity suggested that all the founding lineages were very closely related to each other if, in fact, a large number of founding lineages contributed to the Levite R1a1 gene pool. The ancient reports on the Khazars indicate that the majority of the Jewish converts were from the Khazarian royalty and ruling classes (Koestler 1976, p.15). Although speculative, it seems likely this group would have intermarried heavily amongst itself, helping to preserve the group’s elite status. Thus, it is probable that they would have already possessed a set of closely related R1a1 haplotypes which they simply passed on to their Levite descendants.

    Most importantly, the fact that these R1a1 founders were endowed with Levite status is highly revealing. Behar (2003), in fact, argues against the possibility of a large number of R1a founders because it would involve a breach of “a well-regulated rabbinically controlled barrier” and would “most likely leave some prominent trace in the historical record – which it has not.” However, he then suggests that the R1a introgression may indicate a lesser degree of stringency for the assumption of Levite status than for the assumption of Cohen status. He points to a passage in the Talmud involving a debate over whether Levite status should be accorded to a man whose father was a non-Jew and who mother was the daughter of a Levite. This suggests that assignment of Levite status other than through patrilineal descent could have been sanctioned by the rabbinical authorities.

    However, the Khazars were already Jewish, having converted hundreds of years before. Although of a different ethnic make-up than the Ashkenazim of the 13th century, they were not “non-Jews.” They probably already had their own Levite caste in place who may have simply continued their priestly functions among the Ashkenazim.

    Integration into the Levite priesthood would have secured for the Khazarian immigrants a place in their new community while helping them maintain a sense of elite status among a new people. Yet it is clear that the Khazars had become Jews long before they became part of the larger Ashkenazi community. Thus, it should not be surprising that six hundred years after their reported conversion, the Ashkenazim may have accorded them a special role among their Levite priesthood.

    The Khazars and the Smoking Gun of Haplogroup Q

    With the discovery of haplogroup Q among Ashkenazi Jews, DNA researchers may have found the “smoking gun” of Khazarian ancestry.

    In one of the few DNA studies to examine haplogroup Q among Jews, researchers made the surprising declaration that only 5-8% of the Ashkenazi gene pool is comprised of Y chromosomes that originated from non-Jewish European populations (Behar et al. 2004b). But since subsequent research has confirmed that R1a1 alone comprises nearly 12% of the Ashkenazi gene pool, it now appears that Behar’s estimate is much too low. Additionally, Behar’s (2004b, Supplementary Material) own data indicate that haplogroups R1b, R1a and I comprise more than a quarter of Ashkenazi DNA results.

    As for haplogroup Q, Behar (2004b) states that it is a “minor founding lineage” among the Ashkenazim, but does not discuss it any further in the study. Haplogroup Q appears in 23 out of 442 Ashkenazi results in Behar’s study, or approximately 5% of the total results (Behar et al. 2004b, Supplementary Material). Interestingly, out of 50 non-Jewish Hungarian results also appearing in this study, haplogroup Q did not appear at all (Behar et al. 2004b, Supplementary Material).

    The modal haplotype for Ashkenazi Q is shown in Table 3:

    Table 3

    Ashkenazi Q-P36 Modal Haplotype*

    * 10-Locus Haplotype

    Approximately 19 out of the 23 Q results exhibited the above haplotype, with 3 additional results being a single step mutation away on DYS marker #393 (Behar et al. 2004b, Supplementary Material). In fact, so many identical haplotypes makes it difficult to accurately date Ashkenazi Q, since using a TMRCA calculation indicates these Ashkenazim, both eastern and western groups, could be related within the last hundred years. This, however, seems highly unlikely, given the separation between these populations over the last few hundred years.

    By designating Q a “minor founding lineage,” Behar (2004b) places this group among “those haplogroups likely to be present in the founding Ashkenazi population.” However, given that Haplogroup Q is rarely found in Middle Eastern populations in DNA studies, the likelihood that Q can be attributed to Israelite ancestry seems remote. The presence of Haplogroup Q among all Ashkenazi groups indicates the founders of this group either mixed with a number of separate Ashkenazi populations or, more likely, entered to the Ashkenazi population in western Europe in a similar fashion to Haplogroup R1a1, before the Ashkenazi migrated in large numbers eastward in the 13th-14th centuries.

    The extremely low haplotype diversity of Ashkenazi Q supports the argument of a small number of closely-related founders merging with the Ashkenazim while they still resided primarily in Western Europe, but not significantly earlier in their formation, since a longer time span would result in more haplotype diversity. It does not support the contention that Q is Israelite in origin, or that the founders merged into the Jewish population much earlier in the Diaspora. Assuming the Ashkenazi population consisted of approximately 25,000 individuals around 1200-1300 CE, then approximately 1000-1500 Q individuals became part of the Ashkenazi population at that time.

    Haplogroup Q is rare in European populations as well. It occurs in low percentages in Hungary (2.6%) and much higher percentages in Siberia (Tambets et al. 2004). It can be found among populations in Norway and the Shetland Islands of Scotland where many Norwegian Vikings settled. The frequency of Haplogroup Q among Scandinavians is comparable to that found in Ashkenazim (Faux, private correspondence). It appears that Norwegians/Shetlanders and Ashkenazi Jews possess the highest percentages of haplogroup Q of any populations in Europe – a rare link between two very different populations who may share a common ancestor from Central Asia or Eastern Europe. Interestingly, Scandinavians and Shetlanders also possess high levels of haplogroup R1a1 as well, perhaps some of it originating from Central Asian sources (Faux, private correspondence).

    David Faux, a researcher examining the Shetlander’s DNA and possible Central Asian links, notes the following:

    The best evidence we have to date is that, although not investigated scientifically, that Q and K* arrived with R1a from the same population source in the Altai region of Russian Siberia. It is likely that what we are seeing with Q and K are very rare Scandinavian haplogroups whose origins were long ago in Asia. If this is true, then it is very unusual that there does not seem to be any Q or K along the overland pathways to Norway (e.g., in Western Russia) – but there is Q, along with R1a, in the region of Kurdistan, and among a significant percentage of Ashkenazi Jews.

    Faux further hypothesized that the homeland of Norse Q lies somewhere in the populations of Siberia, such as with the Selkups (66.4% Q and 19.1% R1a) or the Kets (93.7% Q), or among the populations of the Altai mountain system extending through Mongolia, Kazakhstan and Russia (Tambets et al. 2004).

    Haplogroup K* also appears among Ashkenazim, though this group is rarely discussed in the DNA literature. Behar (2004b, Supplementary Infor-mation) found 2-3% among Ashkenazi Jews. Behar identifies this group as K*-M9, though they may, in fact, be within Haplogroup K2, since they closely match the K2 haplotypes reported among Turkish groups (Cinnioglu 2004). The appearance of Haplogroup K* only among eastern Ashkenazim may be attributable to Eastern European or Khazarian admixture (Behar 2004b, Supplementary Material). Interestingly, Ashkenazi K* exhibits more haplotype diversity than haplogroup Q results, perhaps indicating a larger percentage of unrelated K* founders or genetic drift.

    However, Behar (2003) reports finding a significantly higher frequency of haplogroup K* among Sephardic Levites (23%) and Sephardic Israelites (13%), perhaps the highest frequency of K* found among any European population. This may indicate that some of Ashkenazi K* is, in fact, of Israelite origin. Its absence among western Ashkenazim and very low frequency among eastern Ashkenazim suggests that the high frequency of Sephardic K* may be due to pronounced genetic drift or significantly more K* founders as part of the original Sephardic population. However, it is also possible that Sephardic K* is the result of admixture with African or Mediterranean groups. Haplogroup K* is known to reach a frequency of 10% in Cabo Verbe, an east Atlantic island population with ties to Jewish founders from Spain and Portugal (Goncalves et al. 2003).

    A comparison of haplogroup Q among Altaians and Ashkenazi Jews was undertaken by Dienekes Pontikos (2004), who operates a respected website dedicated to the examination of anthropological, archaeological and genetic research. He compared the frequency of haplogroups R1a and Q among Altaian Turkic speakers and Ashkenazi Jews. For Altaians, the percentages are 46/17, or a ratio of about 2.7, while in Ashkenazim it is 12/5, or a ratio of about 2.4. Dienekes writes:

    If Proto-Khazars were similar to present-day Altaians minus haplogroup C, then they would have a frequency of about 59% R1a and 22% Q. Therefore, it seems reasonable that an overall 5/22=22% of such Proto-Khazar elements into the Ashkenazi Jewish populations may be likely. But, the Khazars of Khazaria may themselves have been somewhat mixed with Western Eurasian elements, which would decrease their frequency of haplogroup Q.

    Dienekes (2004) also wrote that he found the continued silence of researchers about the presence of haplogroup Q among Ashkenazim “puzzling.”

    Haplogroup Q is found in high frequencies in only a few regions of the world. Native American’s possess very high percentages of Q, particularly a sub-group known as “Q3” (Zegura et al. 2004). But haplogroup Q did not originate among the Native Americans, nor did this population obtain their Q ancestry from Jewish or Scandinavian ancestors. As previously noted by Faux, its origins probably lie somewhere in northern Eurasia, in Siberia or the Altai, where Q continues to be a common Y chromosome haplogroup. It is from this group after migration to the New World that Native American Haplogroup Q3 originated.

    Genetic analysis has allowed researchers to trace Native American haplogroup Q to its probable ancestral homeland – the Altai Mountains of Southwest Siberia (Zegura et al. 2004). The researchers have also pointed out that the Kets and Sekups, who currently inhabit the eastern part of Western Siberia and the Yenisey River Valley, can trace their origin homeland further south, on the slopes of the Altai mountains (Zegura et al. 2004). This region is, of course, where Faux postulated that Scandinavia’s Q and K* ancestors originated. It may also be the homeland of Khazarian Q ancestors whose descendants are found today among Ashkenazi Jewish groups.

    In conclusion, it appears that some members of three very distinct populations—Scandinavian-Shetlanders, Native Americans and Ashkenazi Jews–may share common ancestors originating from the Altai regions of southern Siberia. However, the Q ancestors of the Native Americans appears to have departed from their Altai homeland much earlier than the other two groups, migrating to the New World sometime between 10,000 to 17,000 years ago, providing sufficient time for the Native Americans to develop their own unique subgroup of Q, known as Q3 (Zegura et al. 2004).

    The migration of R1a and Q groups into Scandinavia is presently unknown, though Faux postulates a group from Central Asia may have moved up into Scandinavia sometime around 400 CE. Only a few hundred years later, the Khazars of southern Russia make their first appearance in the historical record. And it is to the Khazars, who undoubtedly possessed a high frequency of this haplogroup, to which the Jews most likely owe their unique Q ancestry.

    END OF QUOTED MATERIAL

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 28, 2010

  269. No one with a functional brain in their head will buy your BS that all geneticists who have researched the Khazarian hypothesis are ‘crypto-jews’ and Khazarians and that all hospitals, research organizations performing scientific DNA research are controlled by Jews.

    That is your delusional, paranoid, racist belief.

    And I have posted such articles which prove the Koestler hypothesis wrong, authored by non-Jewish geneticists on this page.

    Of course Ron, you are too dense and too lazy to read the articles and you mistakenly believe that anyone but another racist ignoramus like yourself will share your racist prejudices and prefer ignorance over truth.

    And just how stupid and uneducated you are is proved by your ridiculous idea that anything in the bible could be proof of someone’s DNA lineage.

    And when I ask for your scientific proof you attempt to enter fabricated lies, a made up quote you fabricated and could not give a citation for.

    Ron you like to think of yourself as a religious person, you call yourself a Christian, but in fact you are neither.

    Was Christ a racist hater? Did Christ think it was OK to lie and treat his fellow man with hatred? Would Christ be too lazy and too stupid to engage the facts?

    No Christ would not do these things you do, and you Ron are no Christian.

    Ron you are an uneducated, bigoted ignoramus, and you prove this over and over again in your posts.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 28, 2010

  270. Leslie, you are an “asshole,” plain and simple, devoid of the intellect of an amoeba. You are so pathetic, you spend all your time posting all of this propaganda bullshit, trying to refute Mr. Koestler, and others, who know the truth of your mongrelized pedigree. You are one sick puppy, with no analytical skills whatsoever.

    Comment by Ron | June 29, 2010

    • I see Ron, I am an asshole because you have a pathological hatred of Jewish people.

      And I am devoid of intellect because you are too stupid and too ignorant and too lazy to read the numerous articles on genetics by which you could gain a realistic understanding of human genetics, but no you prefer your pseudo religious mumbo jumbo which provides a basis for your pathological hatreds.

      You want to call me a mongrel and you want to be free to define me, and hate me irrespective of the truth about myself or about anyone else.

      And you want to live your life around the idea that the world is full of evil Jews who are responsible for everything wrong in the world. And anything or anyone in human society that does not agree with you is obviously Jew-controlled.

      And all those characteristics you have makes ME an asshole, devoid of intellect, and devoid of analytical skills.

      So I will tell you once and for all time what you are.

      You are a hate filled, genuinely stupid, delusional, paranoid to the point of metal illness, low character moron, as well as an ignoramus.

      You are too ignorant and dim witted to become educated on any topic.

      You do not care about truth of any type on any topic, since you prefer your unfounded bigoted views.

      You are too crippled in mind and character to be educated.

      You are also no Christian, since Christ was no hater of people, Christ was no bigot, and Christ was not so lazy he would ignore facts, science, research and learning as you do.

      You believe in total nonsense, and no one shares you views other than other hate filled ignoramuses.

      You also have a low character, since that is what your totally lame, deficient ‘being’ and ‘personality’ adds up to.

      You are sick, mentally and spiritually, mentally deficient, and you have a hopelessly low character which is so injured and deficient there is no hope for your redemption.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 29, 2010

  271. What can you deduce about the intellect of an individual who thinks that since astronomers decided to re-classify Pluto as not a major planet, that this fact proves all of science is suspect?

    You can conclude the individual does not have much of an intellect to work with. And lacking a workable intellect what would that tell us about his ability to discern and judge issues of any type?

    “…and if you believe in things that cannot be proved, any feeble minded person can lead you,…”

    I have mentioned a number of times that Ron and the people of low intellect and character like him are explained by the following;

    Here are some words of advice about education and character from EDWARD LEEDSKALNIN, written in 1936.
    _____________

    Now I will tell you what education is according to my reasoning. An educated person is one whose senses are refined. We are born as brutes, we remain and die as the same if we do not become polished. Some are too coarse to take it.

    The main base of education is one’s “self-respect”. Any one lacking self-respect cannot be educated. The main bases of self-respect is the willingness to learn, to do only the things that are good and right, to believe only in the things that can be proved, to possess appreciation and self control.

    Now, if you lack willingness to learn, you will remain as a brute and if you do things that are not good and right, you will be a low person, and if you believe in things that cannot be proved, any feeble minded person can lead you, and if you lack appreciation, it takes away the incentive for good doing and if you lack self control you will never know the limit.

    So all those lacking these characteristics in their makeup are not educated.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 29, 2010

  272. And BTW, back to the topic.

    The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above. In fact I have uploaded articles on point which refute the Koestler hypothesis on this page MORE than once for some of the articles.

    And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

    I gave the same challenge to Ron, but as you can see from the above, he could not provide such a cite and offered only more of his warped paranoiac excuses and delusions in response to the challenge.

    Such hate filled non-sense is fine if you are an obsessive compulsive pseudo-religious weak minded hate monger like Ron, but anyone with an education who is not similarly a bigot will hold to a higher standard of proof than the well known set of often repeated anti-Jewish internet conspiracy theories.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | June 29, 2010

  273. The Koestler hypothesis has been studied by geneticists, and by modern ethnologists, and they have proved it to be incorrect.

    The Koestler hypothesis states that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of the Khazarian Kingdom.

    When in fact by scientific studies it (the identifying haplotype R1a1) in a more generic (earlier form, indicating a Scandinavian connection to earlier Euro-asian populations, see below) may constitute AT MOST 12% of the modern Ashkenazi population, see / study the following;

    http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm

    The Khazars: A Jewish Kingdom in Europe

    Author Arthur Koestler (1976) is generally credited for bringing the unique history of the Khazars to the attention of the public. The decades that have past since the publication of his book have not dampened its highly controversial nature.

    The country of the Khazars lay in the area between the Black and Caspian Seas, between the Caucasus Mountains and the Volga River. There, between the ever-invading Muslim Arabs and the Christian Byzantine Empire, a peculiar thing occurred – a Jewish empire arose. In 740 CE, the Khazarian King, his court and military ruling class all embraced the Jewish faith. This large scale official conversion of an ethnically non-Jewish people is well attested to in Arab, Byzantine, Russian and Hebrew sources (Koestler 1976, pp.13-15).

    The rationale behind such conversion continues to both puzzle and fascinate historians – why would a people, despite political pressure from two great powers, chose a religion which had no support from any political power, but was rather persecuted by all? Whatever the reason, the Jewish Khazars continued to rule their kingdom until the 12th-13th century, when their empire finally dissolved. The fate of the Khazars after the fall of their empire remains a subject of great controversy among researchers.

    The Khazars are often described as “a people of Turkish stock,” although such description is misleading (Koestler 1976, p. 13). Although the Khazars spoke a Turkish dialect believed to be related to that spoken today by the peoples of the Chuvash Soviet Republic, their ethnic origins remains a matter of debate. Many of the Eurasian tribes driven westward by the Chinese, including the Huns, were labeled under the generic term of “Turk.” The origin of the word “Khazar” most likely derives from the Turkish root “gaz,” meaning “to wander” or simply “nomad.” (Koestler 1976, p. 21).

    Given that the Khazarian kingdom arose in the area of today’s Ukraine, it is likely that there was a significant amount of indigenous Eastern European ancestry among this group. And, in fact, the various descriptions of the Khazars provided by ancient writers attest to the probable heterogeneous ethnic mixture in this group.

    According to an 11th century Arab chronicler Ibn-al-Balkhi, the Khazars are

    . . . to the north of the inhabited earth towards the 7th clime, having over their heads the constellation of the Plough. Their land is cold and wet. Accordingly their complexions are white, their eyes blue, their hair flowing and predominately reddish, their bodies large and their natures cold. Their general aspect is wild” (Koestler 1976, p. 19). An Armenian writer described them as having “insolent, broad, lashless faces and long falling hair, like women. (Koestler 1976, p. 20).

    A slightly more flattering picture is provided by Arab geographer Istakhri:

    The Khazars do not resemble the Turks. They are black-haired, and are of two kinds, one called the Kara-Khazars [Black Khazars] who are swarthy verging on deep black as if they were kind of Indian, and a white kind [Ak-Khazars], who are strikingly handsome. (Koestler 1976, p. 20)

    However, Koestler (1976, p. 22) cautions the reader not to place too much weight on this description, since it was customary among Turkish peoples to refer to the ruling classes as “white” and the lower clans as “black.”

    It is clear that the Khazars were closely connected to the Huns, who themselves are an ethnic mystery. The Byzantine rhetorician Priscus, who was part of an embassy to Attila the Hun’s court in 448 CE, reported that a people known as the “Akatzirs” or “White Khazars” were subjects of the Huns. According to Koestler (1976, p. 23), “Priscus’s chronicle confirms that the Khazars appeared on the European scene about the middle of the fifth century as a people under Hunnish sovereignty, and may be regarded, together with the Magyars and other tribes, as a later offspring of Attila’s horde.” After the collapse of the Hunnish Empire following Attila’s death, the confederation of tribes known as the Khazars eventually gained supremacy in the southern half of Eastern Europe, retaining control of this region for nearly four centuries.

    What became a matter of dispute among historians was the fate of the Jewish Khazars after the destruction of their empire in the 12th- 13th centuries. Koestler argued that remnants of the Khazar tribes migrated into regions of Eastern Europe where the greatest concentrations of Jews were found, eventually merging with those pre-existing communities. In fact, Koestler’s controversial argument was that the Khazars emigrated in substantial enough numbers to have had a significant genetic impact on contemporary Jewish ancestry.

    With the advent of DNA studies, the question of whether contemporary Jews could trace any part of their ancestry back to the Khazars became a tantalizing mystery to try to solve. While the Cohanim DNA writers attempted to close the book on this question, evidence from another important genetic study, that of the Jewish Levite priests, made it apparent that the Khazarian debate was far from over.

    The Levites: The DNA of the Jewish Khazarian Priests

    The other Jewish priestly caste is known as the “Levites.” Like the Cohanim, Levites are recorded in the Hebrew Bible as direct descendants of Aaron, Israel’s first High Priest. In fact, the Cohanim are actually a special subsection of the Levites (Telushkin 1997, p. 125).

    In the second study published on the Cohanim, researchers reported that despite a priori expectations, Jews who identified themselves as Levites did not share a common set of markers with the Cohanim (Thomas et al. 1998). Unfortunately, the reporting that the Levites did not share a genetic signature from a common patrilineal ancestor with the Cohanim flew in the face of Jewish tradition. This led to some rather bizarre and disparaging explanations, like the following from Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman (1999) in Jewish Action:

    It is interesting to note that the tribe of Levi has a history of lack of quantity…After the Babylonian exile, the Levi’im (plural) failed to return en masse to Jerusalem, though urged by Ezra the Scribe to do so (They were therefore fined by losing their exclusive rights to maser.). Though statistically, the Levi’im should be more numerous than Cohanim, in synagogues today it is not unusual to have a minyan with a surplus of Cohanim, yet not one Levi.

    In point of fact, the Levites were shown to have a common set of genetic markers – just not the CMH. These markers were not even part of the same J1 haplogroup as found in the Cohanim. The majority of Levites shared a common haplotype, indicating a shared common ancestor among them, but this haplotype occurred within haplogroup R1a and, more specifically, within subgroup R1a1. Furthermore, this haplogroup was found only in the Ashkenazi Levites; it was not shared with the Sephardic Levite population in the same fashion as the CMH. Given the fact that the Ashkenazi Levites did not share R1a with their Sephardic counterparts, it appeared that this haplogroup had entered the Jewish population sometime during the Diaspora.

    In one of the first studies to closely examine the high levels of R1a among Levites, researchers found that R1al formed a “tight cluster” within the Ashkenazi Levites (Behar et al. 2003). This suggested to the researchers a very recent origin of this group from a single common ancestor (Behar et al. 2003).

    In a subsequent Levite study, the modal haplotype reported for Ashkenazi R1a1, known as “H6,” was reported to occur twice as often as the second most common R1a1 haplotype among Ashkenazim, known as “H10” (Nebel et al. 2005). Out of a sample of 55 individuals, 25 had haplotype “H6” and 12 had haplotype “H10” (Nebel et al. 2005, Supplementary Material).

    Table 2

    Haplotypes* for Ashkenazi R-M17

    HAPLOTYPE

    *6-Locus Haplotype

    Behar believed that among Ashkenazi Jews, R1a1 was essentially restricted to Levites. However, we know from subsequent research that R1a1 comprises nearly 12% of Ashkenazi results, while the Levites only make up about 4-5 % of the Jewish people (Nebel et al. 2005). Thus, these results extend well beyond the Levite priestly class to approximately 5-8% of the Cohanim and Israelites (the non-priestly Jewish population) as well.

    Haplogroup R1a1 is relatively rare within Middle Eastern populations, but very common among Eastern European and Scandinavian populations (Behar et al. 2003). It is found at a frequency of 7% in some Near Eastern groups (Behar et al. 2004b). However, given that Sephardic groups did not share R1a1 frequencies with the Ashkenazim, it was apparent that Jewish R1a1 was probably not of ancient Israelite origin.

    Confirmation of the high frequency of Haplogroup R1a1 among Ashkenazim as compared to other Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations was found in a genetic study on Samaritan and Israeli groups (Shen et al. 2004). Although population samples were small, consisting of twenty participants from Ashkenazi Jewish groups, all were Eastern Ashkenazim of Polish ancestry. Ashkenazi results were compared to other Jewish groups from Iraq, Libya, Morocco, Ethiopia and Yemen, as well as to non-Jewish Samaritan, Druze and Palestinian populations. Shen found that haplogroup R was found in 10-30% of all the groups, with the exception of Palestinians and Ethiopian Jews, though the majority belonged to R1b and R*. In contrast, the Ashkenazim had the highest percentage of haplogroup R (30%), with two-thirds of those results found in haplogroup R1a (Shen et al. 2004).

    As for when R1a1 first entered the Jewish community, Behar (2003) estimated a mean TMRCA (time to the most recent common ancestor) of 663 years before the present using the Simple Stepwise Mutation Model and a mean time of 1,000 years before present under the Linear Length-Dependent Stepwise Mutational Model. This calculation was striking because it fit precisely within the time period that Koestler believed the mass migration and absorption of the Khazars by the larger Eastern European Jewish communities occurred.

    R1a1 is found in very high frequencies not only in the area of Eastern Europe where the Khazarian kingdom is reported to have existed, but also in many Central Asian populations as well, where some of the Khazarian population may have originated (Nebel et al. 2005). Furthermore, the most common Ashkenazi haplotype, H6, is identical to the most common haplotype found among European R1a1 (YHRD 2003). Ashkenazi H10 is identical to the fifth most common European R1a1 haplotype.[1]

    Behar (2003) noted that Ashkenazi R1a1 haplotypes clustered closely with those seen in Sorbian and Belarusian groups in Eastern Europe, yet the haplotypes were dissimilar enough to convince him that these groups were not the original source population for Ashkenazi R1a1. While the Ashkenazi H6 haplotype is also one of the most common haplotypes among the Sorbian and Belarusian populations, the modal haplotypes found among these two Eastern European groups do not appear among Ashkenazim (Behar, 2003). However, it is possible that genetic drift could have led to the loss of other Jewish R1a1 lineages (Behar, 2003).

    Nebel (2005) emphasized that the R1a1 haplogroup must have entered the Jewish gene pool from outside sources because the ancestral haplotype (H6) is almost completely absent in Sephardic Jews, Kurdish Jews and Palestinian population samples. He suggested that R1a1 in Ashkenazim “may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars.” However, he also argued for a single founder event early on in the Jewish Diaspora, proposing that the TMRCA for R1a1 among Ashkenazi was approximately 62.7 generations ago, or 1567 years ago.

    However, the proposal that R1a1 originated with a single founder event early in the Diaspora has become increasingly unlikely as research on Jewish DNA progresses. Since R1a1 is spread fairly evenly in haplotype distribution and frequency throughout the Ashkenazi populations from various countries (Germany, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Russia and the Ukraine), then the founders must have entered the community either before it expanded and spread to Eastern Europe, or merged separately into both eastern and western Ashkenazi groups. However, Nebel (2005) is forced to assert an extremely early TMRCA due to his belief that R1a1 must have originated with a single founder or very small group of founders. In order for R1a1 to reach its high frequency (12%) among the Ashkenazim from a single founder, a very early date must be proposed for the introgression of this haplogroup. Under this scenario, R1a1 entered the Jewish community when it was extremely small and in its formative stage. Gene flow from a single R1a founder at this early stage would likely have a huge impact on the expanding Ashkenazi population.

    However, it appears that the most recently revised mutational dating techniques lend support to Behar’s (2003) later date when applied to Jewish R1a1 haplotypes. If we assume that R1a1 entered the Jewish community around 1300 CE, then there would need to be enough founders to leave a 12% genetic impact on the population. Given that the Ashkenazi population at that time is estimated to be approximately 25,000 persons, it would be nearly impossible for a single founder to make such a significant genetic impact (Behar et al. 2004b). Adopting this conservative estimate of 25,000 persons, approximately two to three thousand R1a1 males probably entered the Ashkenazi community between the 12th-13th centuries.

    Interestingly, there are no historical accounts of any large scale conversions or Eastern European groups entering the Jewish community at this time – except the Khazars.

    Additionally, given the relatively late date of introgression and the large number of founders, these males must have already been very closely related to each other, sharing the R1a1 haplotypes that are later reflected in the Levite results. Behar (2003) noted that the lack of Levite R1a1 haplotype diversity suggested that all the founding lineages were very closely related to each other if, in fact, a large number of founding lineages contributed to the Levite R1a1 gene pool. The ancient reports on the Khazars indicate that the majority of the Jewish converts were from the Khazarian royalty and ruling classes (Koestler 1976, p.15). Although speculative, it seems likely this group would have intermarried heavily amongst itself, helping to preserve the group’s elite status. Thus, it is probable that they would have already possessed a set of closely related R1a1 haplotypes which they simply passed on to their Levite descendants.

    Most importantly, the fact that these R1a1 founders were endowed with Levite status is highly revealing. Behar (2003), in fact, argues against the possibility of a large number of R1a founders because it would involve a breach of “a well-regulated rabbinically controlled barrier” and would “most likely leave some prominent trace in the historical record – which it has not.” However, he then suggests that the R1a introgression may indicate a lesser degree of stringency for the assumption of Levite status than for the assumption of Cohen status. He points to a passage in the Talmud involving a debate over whether Levite status should be accorded to a man whose father was a non-Jew and who mother was the daughter of a Levite. This suggests that assignment of Levite status other than through patrilineal descent could have been sanctioned by the rabbinical authorities.

    However, the Khazars were already Jewish, having converted hundreds of years before. Although of a different ethnic make-up than the Ashkenazim of the 13th century, they were not “non-Jews.” They probably already had their own Levite caste in place who may have simply continued their priestly functions among the Ashkenazim.

    Integration into the Levite priesthood would have secured for the Khazarian immigrants a place in their new community while helping them maintain a sense of elite status among a new people. Yet it is clear that the Khazars had become Jews long before they became part of the larger Ashkenazi community. Thus, it should not be surprising that six hundred years after their reported conversion, the Ashkenazim may have accorded them a special role among their Levite priesthood.

    The Khazars and the Smoking Gun of Haplogroup Q

    With the discovery of haplogroup Q among Ashkenazi Jews, DNA researchers may have found the “smoking gun” of Khazarian ancestry.

    In one of the few DNA studies to examine haplogroup Q among Jews, researchers made the surprising declaration that only 5-8% of the Ashkenazi gene pool is comprised of Y chromosomes that originated from non-Jewish European populations (Behar et al. 2004b). But since subsequent research has confirmed that R1a1 alone comprises nearly 12% of the Ashkenazi gene pool, it now appears that Behar’s estimate is much too low. Additionally, Behar’s (2004b, Supplementary Material) own data indicate that haplogroups R1b, R1a and I comprise more than a quarter of Ashkenazi DNA results.

    As for haplogroup Q, Behar (2004b) states that it is a “minor founding lineage” among the Ashkenazim, but does not discuss it any further in the study. Haplogroup Q appears in 23 out of 442 Ashkenazi results in Behar’s study, or approximately 5% of the total results (Behar et al. 2004b, Supplementary Material). Interestingly, out of 50 non-Jewish Hungarian results also appearing in this study, haplogroup Q did not appear at all (Behar et al. 2004b, Supplementary Material).

    The modal haplotype for Ashkenazi Q is shown in Table 3:

    Table 3

    Ashkenazi Q-P36 Modal Haplotype*

    * 10-Locus Haplotype

    Approximately 19 out of the 23 Q results exhibited the above haplotype, with 3 additional results being a single step mutation away on DYS marker #393 (Behar et al. 2004b, Supplementary Material). In fact, so many identical haplotypes makes it difficult to accurately date Ashkenazi Q, since using a TMRCA calculation indicates these Ashkenazim, both eastern and western groups, could be related within the last hundred years. This, however, seems highly unlikely, given the separation between these populations over the last few hundred years.

    By designating Q a “minor founding lineage,” Behar (2004b) places this group among “those haplogroups likely to be present in the founding Ashkenazi population.” However, given that Haplogroup Q is rarely found in Middle Eastern populations in DNA studies, the likelihood that Q can be attributed to Israelite ancestry seems remote. The presence of Haplogroup Q among all Ashkenazi groups indicates the founders of this group either mixed with a number of separate Ashkenazi populations or, more likely, entered to the Ashkenazi population in western Europe in a similar fashion to Haplogroup R1a1, before the Ashkenazi migrated in large numbers eastward in the 13th-14th centuries.

    The extremely low haplotype diversity of Ashkenazi Q supports the argument of a small number of closely-related founders merging with the Ashkenazim while they still resided primarily in Western Europe, but not significantly earlier in their formation, since a longer time span would result in more haplotype diversity. It does not support the contention that Q is Israelite in origin, or that the founders merged into the Jewish population much earlier in the Diaspora. Assuming the Ashkenazi population consisted of approximately 25,000 individuals around 1200-1300 CE, then approximately 1000-1500 Q individuals became part of the Ashkenazi population at that time.

    Haplogroup Q is rare in European populations as well. It occurs in low percentages in Hungary (2.6%) and much higher percentages in Siberia (Tambets et al. 2004). It can be found among populations in Norway and the Shetland Islands of Scotland where many Norwegian Vikings settled. The frequency of Haplogroup Q among Scandinavians is comparable to that found in Ashkenazim (Faux, private correspondence). It appears that Norwegians/Shetlanders and Ashkenazi Jews possess the highest percentages of haplogroup Q of any populations in Europe – a rare link between two very different populations who may share a common ancestor from Central Asia or Eastern Europe. Interestingly, Scandinavians and Shetlanders also possess high levels of haplogroup R1a1 as well, perhaps some of it originating from Central Asian sources (Faux, private correspondence).

    David Faux, a researcher examining the Shetlander’s DNA and possible Central Asian links, notes the following:

    The best evidence we have to date is that, although not investigated scientifically, that Q and K* arrived with R1a from the same population source in the Altai region of Russian Siberia. It is likely that what we are seeing with Q and K are very rare Scandinavian haplogroups whose origins were long ago in Asia. If this is true, then it is very unusual that there does not seem to be any Q or K along the overland pathways to Norway (e.g., in Western Russia) – but there is Q, along with R1a, in the region of Kurdistan, and among a significant percentage of Ashkenazi Jews.

    Faux further hypothesized that the homeland of Norse Q lies somewhere in the populations of Siberia, such as with the Selkups (66.4% Q and 19.1% R1a) or the Kets (93.7% Q), or among the populations of the Altai mountain system extending through Mongolia, Kazakhstan and Russia (Tambets et al. 2004).

    Haplogroup K* also appears among Ashkenazim, though this group is rarely discussed in the DNA literature. Behar (2004b, Supplementary Infor-mation) found 2-3% among Ashkenazi Jews. Behar identifies this group as K*-M9, though they may, in fact, be within Haplogroup K2, since they closely match the K2 haplotypes reported among Turkish groups (Cinnioglu 2004). The appearance of Haplogroup K* only among eastern Ashkenazim may be attributable to Eastern European or Khazarian admixture (Behar 2004b, Supplementary Material). Interestingly, Ashkenazi K* exhibits more haplotype diversity than haplogroup Q results, perhaps indicating a larger percentage of unrelated K* founders or genetic drift.

    However, Behar (2003) reports finding a significantly higher frequency of haplogroup K* among Sephardic Levites (23%) and Sephardic Israelites (13%), perhaps the highest frequency of K* found among any European population. This may indicate that some of Ashkenazi K* is, in fact, of Israelite origin. Its absence among western Ashkenazim and very low frequency among eastern Ashkenazim suggests that the high frequency of Sephardic K* may be due to pronounced genetic drift or significantly more K* founders as part of the original Sephardic population. However, it is also possible that Sephardic K* is the result of admixture with African or Mediterranean groups. Haplogroup K* is known to reach a frequency of 10% in Cabo Verbe, an east Atlantic island population with ties to Jewish founders from Spain and Portugal (Goncalves et al. 2003).

    A comparison of haplogroup Q among Altaians and Ashkenazi Jews was undertaken by Dienekes Pontikos (2004), who operates a respected website dedicated to the examination of anthropological, archaeological and genetic research. He compared the frequency of haplogroups R1a and Q among Altaian Turkic speakers and Ashkenazi Jews. For Altaians, the percentages are 46/17, or a ratio of about 2.7, while in Ashkenazim it is 12/5, or a ratio of about 2.4. Dienekes writes:

    If Proto-Khazars were similar to present-day Altaians minus haplogroup C, then they would have a frequency of about 59% R1a and 22% Q. Therefore, it seems reasonable that an overall 5/22=22% of such Proto-Khazar elements into the Ashkenazi Jewish populations may be likely. But, the Khazars of Khazaria may themselves have been somewhat mixed with Western Eurasian elements, which would decrease their frequency of haplogroup Q.

    Dienekes (2004) also wrote that he found the continued silence of researchers about the presence of haplogroup Q among Ashkenazim “puzzling.”

    Haplogroup Q is found in high frequencies in only a few regions of the world. Native American’s possess very high percentages of Q, particularly a sub-group known as “Q3” (Zegura et al. 2004). But haplogroup Q did not originate among the Native Americans, nor did this population obtain their Q ancestry from Jewish or Scandinavian ancestors. As previously noted by Faux, its origins probably lie somewhere in northern Eurasia, in Siberia or the Altai, where Q continues to be a common Y chromosome haplogroup. It is from this group after migration to the New World that Native American Haplogroup Q3 originated.

    Genetic analysis has allowed researchers to trace Native American haplogroup Q to its probable ancestral homeland – the Altai Mountains of Southwest Siberia (Zegura et al. 2004). The researchers have also pointed out that the Kets and Sekups, who currently inhabit the eastern part of Western Siberia and the Yenisey River Valley, can trace their origin homeland further south, on the slopes of the Altai mountains (Zegura et al. 2004). This region is, of course, where Faux postulated that Scandinavia’s Q and K* ancestors originated. It may also be the homeland of Khazarian Q ancestors whose descendants are found today among Ashkenazi Jewish groups.

    In conclusion, it appears that some members of three very distinct populations—Scandinavian-Shetlanders, Native Americans and Ashkenazi Jews–may share common ancestors originating from the Altai regions of southern Siberia. However, the Q ancestors of the Native Americans appears to have departed from their Altai homeland much earlier than the other two groups, migrating to the New World sometime between 10,000 to 17,000 years ago, providing sufficient time for the Native Americans to develop their own unique subgroup of Q, known as Q3 (Zegura et al. 2004).

    The migration of R1a and Q groups into Scandinavia is presently unknown, though Faux postulates a group from Central Asia may have moved up into Scandinavia sometime around 400 CE. Only a few hundred years later, the Khazars of southern Russia make their first appearance in the historical record. And it is to the Khazars, who undoubtedly possessed a high frequency of this haplogroup, to which the Jews most likely owe their unique Q ancestry.

    END OF QUOTED MATERIAL

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | July 2, 2010

  274. 1773–Mayer Rothschild’s ’25 Point Plan to Gain Control of the Wealth of the World.’

    Before Rockefeller, There was Rothschild

    Mayer Amschel Bauer, born in 1743 in Frankfurt-On-The Main, was the son of Moses Amschel Bauer. After jos fatjer’s death, Mayher served a three year apprencticehsip at the Bank of Oppenheimer in Hanover. Because of his monetary skills, he bvecame a junior partner. Mayer accrued sufficient money to return to Frankfurt and purchase his fathers’s counting house located on Judesnstasse (Jew Street). The shop displayed a red shiedl over the door, the emblem of the revolutionary-minded Jews in Eastern Europe. Bauer adopted the name Rothschild, the German world for ‘red-shhield’ and the infamous House of Rothschild was born.

    In 1`770, Mayer Amschel Rothschild married Gutta Schnapper. In that same year, he retained Jewish-born, Adam Weishaput, and apostate Jesuit-trained profesor of canon law, to revise and modernize Illuminis, the worship of Saten, with the objective of world domination and the imposition of the Luciferian ideology “upon what would remain of the human race” after a final orchestrated social-cataclysm.

    Those 25 points are:

    1. Use violence and terroriosm rather than academic discussions.

    2. Preach “liberalism” to usurp political power.

    3. Initiate class warfare.

    4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive as “any moral code leaves a politician vulenrable.

    5. Dismantle “exisiting forces of order and regulation.”

    6. Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength tht no cunning or force can undermine it.

    7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. “Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently.”

    8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquorss, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used sytematically by “agenteurs” to currupt the youth.

    9. Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.

    10..foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.

    11. Choose candidates for public office who will be “servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game.”

    12. Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.

    13. Make the masses believe thay h ad been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.

    14. Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.

    15.Infiltrate Freemasonry, to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the ture natue of their work in philanthrophy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the “Goyim”(gentiles).

    16. When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of th eentire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.

    17. Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. “The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwarsds. .That is of no consequence.”

    18. A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.

    19. Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisors to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing “the secret power behind national and international affairs.”

    20. Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so as evne teh largest fortuens of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash.

    21. Use economic warfare. Rob the “goyim” of thier landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.

    22. “Make the ‘Goyim’ destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, wilth a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interests.”

    23. Call it The New World Order. Appoint a Dictator.

    24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories qand principles we know to be false.

    Twist national and internqation laws into a contradition which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law.

    What do you know, these 25 Points of Mayer Amschel Rothshcild’s business odel so closely resemble the The Potocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, I would bet that Mayer Rothschild created The Protocols.

    Comment by Ron | July 2, 2010

  275. Fascinating Ron.

    Did you know dog spelled backwards is God?

    The same sort of connection all anti Jewish propaganda has.

    Its all BS flowing one way another from paranoid hate mongers like you.

    And other wise it is connected to nothing, especially reality.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | July 2, 2010

  276. [...] diaspora – a false history and narrative to create a willing race of Fifth Columnists. The Khazar (a Turkish word for wanderer) tribe of converts now claim to be God’s chosen. In the midst of the [...]

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    • More unsubstantiated crap Jew haters advance as truth.

      Let’s see you give us a quote from a credentialed history professor in an accredited university who supports this bigoted BS.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | July 6, 2010

  277. What does the spelling of God/Dog have to do with anything? Really, Leslie, you are so moronic, devoid of any intellectual capacity. You should ask your mom’s permission before getting online, or bette yet, go to the children’s website. You are in, way over your head.

    Comment by Ron | July 6, 2010

  278. What does the spelling of God/Dog have to do with anything? Really, Leslie, you are so moronic, devoid of any intellectual capacity. You should ask your mom’s permission before getting online, or better yet, go to the children’s website. You are in, way over your head.

    Comment by Ron | July 6, 2010

    • Ron, you just are too dim and uneducated to perceive the well deserved mockery of your asinine posts.

      And you are calling my intellectual capacity in question?

      Really Ron, you are the dumbest and the most poorly educated bigot I have ever encountered.

      Comment by Leslie Schwartz | July 6, 2010

  279. Ron is the perfect example of a weak minded bigot who has bought into every piece of anti Jewish hate mongering nonsense that has made its way onto the internet.

    I urge everyone to go back over this page and re-read several times if necessary everything that Ron has posted and ask your self;

    1) Are these the views of a man with an contemporary, modern education? [No]

    2) Is this individual even mentally capable of absorbing and understanding simple scientific concepts even the average high schooler could comprehend? [Definitely not]

    3) Does this fellow even operate with a sane world view, or is he some sort of compulsive religious nut job driven by idiosyncratic pseudo-religious mumbo-jumbo he has fixated on and compulsively repeats over and over, and over and over, and over and over, again? [No, he is a obsessive compulsive, fixated hater]

    4) Is this fellow capable of discerning between total trash and fiction that gets posted on the internet, verses real science, sociology, history? [No he can't tell fact from fiction]

    I think his posts prove exactly the answer to these questions, without a doubt. [Yes, they do]
    ___

    And BTW, back to the topic.

    The Koestler hypothesis that this page is supposed to be about has been refuted by real scientists, with real educations, using real scientific methods, with independent and repeatable procedures, published in real scientific journals. AND I have posted a number of these refutations above.

    And I invite anyone with a citation to real scientific literature which they believe to confirm Koestler’s well meaning but extremely dated and factually incorrect ethnographic study, to post it here.

    Comment by Leslie Schwartz | July 6, 2010

  280. The only “scientists,” who take issue with Koestler, a Khazar himself, are the propagandists who want to foist a hoax on the world. Koestler called it “the greatest hoax in human history.” I totally concur, so I do not want to hear any bullshit from your “respected scientists” any more than I want to hear from “respected scientists” that Pluto is a planet, you ignorant bastard. You are the most profoundly ignorant fool I have ever encountered, Leslie Shithead Schwartz.

    Comment by Ron | July 7, 2010

    • Utter bullshit.

      I challenged you to cite one certified professor from one accredited university who